VSL Game 3 Thread - Kings vs. Bucks
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Do me a favor and go back and read Bricks assessment of Evans game yesterday. One of the people I most respect on this site is Brick, he tells it like it is with no sugar coating, and the man has great basketball knowledge, I would be led to believe he has more than myself which is a high compliment.
i'd like to point out that neither side of this statement is relevant. your join date is irrelevant to the actual validity of your posts. your love of the team and basketball acumen are irrelevant to the validity of your post. what matters is if what you are saying actually makes sense. as an aside, the bloggers who post about "their knowledge of the game" do so to paint themselves as an expert and authoritative figure whose statements are fact and not opinion. sorry, it just gets me when i see comments like:
but back to the basketball matter. one thing you said here stands out to me about evans:
this is one side of the coin. how exactly do you know that evans WILL "get it?" you think he will; aries thinks he may not. it's a difference of opinion and what i don't get is why is he automatically labeled "hate-brigade," and you "homer."
but back to the basketball matter. one thing you said here stands out to me about evans:
this is one side of the coin. how exactly do you know that evans WILL "get it?" you think he will; aries thinks he may not. it's a difference of opinion and what i don't get is why is he automatically labeled "hate-brigade," and you "homer."
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In my first paragraph I was pointing out that my life and love of the Kings did not start the minute I joined this website, for probably the 3rd or 4th different BTW.
As far as my basketball knowledge, if you want to refute it ask me anything about the NBA and I will give you an educated response about it. Anything dating back to 1979.
I'm not saying Evans will get it, but according to Calipari he will. I respect Calipari, he is a great coach. Aries doesn't have a reason for thinking he won't, he just has an emotion. I'm basing mine off where Evans has been, and where he is going. Westphal coached a pretty good pg in Kevin Johnson who was not your prototypical pg, he was a scorer more than a passer. Calipari is one of the top coaches of the college ranks, and he switched Evans to pg with fantastic results. These coaches know what they are doing, I'm just basing my opinion on them whether or not he will "get it". My best educated guess is he will have to be Tim Thomas not to.
As far as my basketball knowledge, if you want to refute it ask me anything about the NBA and I will give you an educated response about it. Anything dating back to 1979.
I'm not saying Evans will get it, but according to Calipari he will. I respect Calipari, he is a great coach. Aries doesn't have a reason for thinking he won't, he just has an emotion. I'm basing mine off where Evans has been, and where he is going. Westphal coached a pretty good pg in Kevin Johnson who was not your prototypical pg, he was a scorer more than a passer. Calipari is one of the top coaches of the college ranks, and he switched Evans to pg with fantastic results. These coaches know what they are doing, I'm just basing my opinion on them whether or not he will "get it". My best educated guess is he will have to be Tim Thomas not to.
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and none of them are pgs.... lebron and wade tried their rookie season and failed.... lebron and wade failed... yet you guys expect evans to suceed where lebron james and his freak of nature gifts failed at...
i dont dislike evans, i just dont think he will be a pg... in any shape or form for his career... maybe it'll be just for his rookie season. hell they put durant at sg his rookie season and then sf where he belongs his second season...
i dont dislike evans, i just dont think he will be a pg... in any shape or form for his career... maybe it'll be just for his rookie season. hell they put durant at sg his rookie season and then sf where he belongs his second season...
oh no no, i won't refute that; i can almost say with absolutely certainty that you know more about the game than me. but what i will refute is that you know more than most people on this board; that's just a statement that can't be proven unless we all sit down and take a test. please VF, don't make us do so!
as far as evans, i get what you are saying and think that you are using pretty fair indicators. but i do believe that aries has more than just emotion; he's got past rookies' experiences and career histories to draw upon. and really, i'm super confused with all of this battling (on this and other threads) because...
...DEAR GOD, IT'S SUMMER LEAGUE. how can anything even remotely meaningful be drawn from this?!?!?
as far as evans, i get what you are saying and think that you are using pretty fair indicators. but i do believe that aries has more than just emotion; he's got past rookies' experiences and career histories to draw upon. and really, i'm super confused with all of this battling (on this and other threads) because...
...DEAR GOD, IT'S SUMMER LEAGUE. how can anything even remotely meaningful be drawn from this?!?!?
Conley's hate in this thread is bad. He is only going to be 22 this year. PG is a tough position. The 2nd half of the year he played extremely well when given the reigns of the team. It's one of the reasons why the Grizzles did not go after Rubio. In February through April (36 games), he averaged 15/4rebs/5.7a per game and over 1 steal a game and around 47% from the field and over 40% from 3. They also have Mayo and Gay who like to have the ball a lot. Conley isn't bad. This year he was a league average player, next year he should be above average which isn't bad as a 22 year old at all especially at PG which is a very tough position.
Just look at how long it took Nash, Billups, and others to great really great at PG. Memphis isn't giving up on Conley just yet.
Just look at how long it took Nash, Billups, and others to great really great at PG. Memphis isn't giving up on Conley just yet.
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but like i said, williams was supposed to be a good pg. going into that draft he was considered the best pg in that draft, he just had character issues... and he was playing behind jason kidd. its not a knock on conley... williams was supposed to be a good pg. conley played well but so did beno his first year here. look at how that turned out.
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I don't see how anyone could read this and not get at least a little bit excited about the Evans pick. More than a point guard, this team simply needs a star. We may finally have one.
Sounds like there's a compelling argument for starting Garcia at SF over Noce. Or, if you want to go really wild, start Garcia/Noce on the wings with Kevin coming off the bench for 30+ minutes as a scoring super sub a la Manu.
Sounds like there's a compelling argument for starting Garcia at SF over Noce. Or, if you want to go really wild, start Garcia/Noce on the wings with Kevin coming off the bench for 30+ minutes as a scoring super sub a la Manu.
Marcus really never got a chance to be the #1 PG. He has played behind Jason Kidd, Devin Harris and Marco/Monta/Watson. The last 3 obviously not that impressive. Marcus might get a chance as the #2 PG in Memphis but he'll have to improve. Obviously the difference between him and Conley is smaller than between himself and Kidd, but he isn't a bad passer even in the NBA--the issue is his shooting %s are terrible.
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okay i get it... you and others here think that evans is a good player... i do too. i had a poorly received thread about trading martin and nocioni for tmac so that we could start evans at sg. i never said that he was a bad player in any way.... i just said that i dont think that he will be a pg. thats it. nothing else. just that one little thing. i am aware that he has good ball handling skills and hat he is a willing passer... i know that. he has a huge size advantage against most pllayers at pg but so did marko jaric and shaun livingston. though livingston got injured which sucked because he wouldve been a good player to compare evans to if he had stayed healthy and became the player that everyone wanted him to become.
It makes little sense to judge any player after 3 summer league games, much less 3 seasons in the NBA. I will wait 3 seasons until I fully judge any player just selected to the draft. If they suck in 3 NBA seasons they will likely suck for their career. If they are good in 3, or even by the end of 2, then they will likely be good. After 3 summer league games, I know little to nothing about any player. It's nice that some guys do better in summer league than others, but who cares really.
I think what AriesMar27 is saying is that while Evans is the better player, Jennings is the better PG. And I think he's right, at least for now. Jennings, as far as I know, played PG all his life while Evans is still getting his feet wet. So Jennings being more comfortable and the better facilitator than Evans is to be expected. But the key point is that Evans is the better player. I don't think there's any dispute on that.
And I have to concede that while Evans' play so far is very encouraging, the jury is still out on whether he's a PG. So AriesMar27's questioning of Evans is not without merit. But the way I see it, worst comes to worst we have a 20-8-5 player we can insert at SG or maybe even SF. It's still a pretty good situation. Or we get a point forward a la Hedo.
The point is, it's not a bad thing to have a triple-double threat on the team, regardless of his position. Jalen Rose, Steve Smith, and Anfernee Hardaway didn't turn out to be PG either but the teams never regretted drafting them. Bill Walton once said of a young Yao Ming, "He may be a project, but you want him to be YOUR project." The same can be said of Evans. If he turns out not be a PG, he's still a pretty good player. But if he does turn out to be PG, holllly cow, he can be one of best ever. I look at his ceiling and there's no doubt in my mind Evans is the right pick at the right time.
And I have to concede that while Evans' play so far is very encouraging, the jury is still out on whether he's a PG. So AriesMar27's questioning of Evans is not without merit. But the way I see it, worst comes to worst we have a 20-8-5 player we can insert at SG or maybe even SF. It's still a pretty good situation. Or we get a point forward a la Hedo.
The point is, it's not a bad thing to have a triple-double threat on the team, regardless of his position. Jalen Rose, Steve Smith, and Anfernee Hardaway didn't turn out to be PG either but the teams never regretted drafting them. Bill Walton once said of a young Yao Ming, "He may be a project, but you want him to be YOUR project." The same can be said of Evans. If he turns out not be a PG, he's still a pretty good player. But if he does turn out to be PG, holllly cow, he can be one of best ever. I look at his ceiling and there's no doubt in my mind Evans is the right pick at the right time.
He's also averaging almost 8 rebounds a game, which is pretty much unheard of for a point guard--even at summer league.
And like I said earlier, a poor A/T ratio for a pg in summer league doesn't mean much.
Devin Harris averaged 3.5 assists to 5 TOs
Jameer Nelson averaged 2.3 assists and 3.3 TOs
Derrick Rose averaged 5.5 assists to 4 TOs
And like I said earlier, a poor A/T ratio for a pg in summer league doesn't mean much.
Devin Harris averaged 3.5 assists to 5 TOs
Jameer Nelson averaged 2.3 assists and 3.3 TOs
Derrick Rose averaged 5.5 assists to 4 TOs
My other worry about Reke is his A/TO in college isn't that great. Nelson I know had a pretty solid A/TO ratio in colllege, Rose was decent but not that great (both he and Reke played in the DDO which isn't a traditional O and doesn't have a traditional PG), and Harris was more of a 2 guard in college.
I have a better question...WHY do you continue to poke sticks and take this into the realm of personal attack? The people responding to you are making articulate, intelligent answers to your points. The insult about "new booties" is totally uncalled for and irrelevant. Someone's ability to post cogent takes isn't based solely on how many posts they have. (Well, of course, except for me and Bricklayer. Ours are ALL pure gold.)
If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You're the one who brought up a lot of stuff that is easily refuted and disputed. You can't be surprised to have worms in your shoes when you're the one that opened the can to begin with.
As usual board policy, this game discussion thread will be closed and transferred to the Games Archives before the next summer game.
If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You're the one who brought up a lot of stuff that is easily refuted and disputed. You can't be surprised to have worms in your shoes when you're the one that opened the can to begin with.
As usual board policy, this game discussion thread will be closed and transferred to the Games Archives before the next summer game.
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