VSL Game 3 Thread - Kings vs. Bucks

[ElRey]

Where is this coming from? The Bucks were running a more pro style and structured offense than the Kings were.

In regards to Summer league being more like pickup games than real NBA games: mostly scrubs/rookies trying to make the league, rookie referees who are not very good, loosely officiated games, and many turnover-loaded out of control games.

Some people should just admit that they are haters. I bet even if Evans averages a 20 pts, 7 rebs, and 7 assist (just hypothetical here) this season, those people are still going to be hating because Evans didn't average 10 assist like the beloved Ricky Rubio would/could have. I get the feeling that Evans is going to have to average a triple doulbe, AND bring three championships to the Kings before those people stop hating, and even then it might not be enough.

 

[bigbadred00]

In regards to Summer league being more like pickup games than real NBA games: mostly scrubs/rookies trying to make the league, rookie referees who are not very good, loosely officiated games, and many turnover-loaded out of control games.

Some people should just admit that they are haters. I bet even if Evans averages a 20 pts, 7 rebs, and 7 assist (just hypothetical here) this season, those people are still going to be hating because Evans didn't average 10 assist like the beloved Ricky Rubio would/could have. I get the feeling that Evans is going to have to average a triple doulbe, AND bring three championships to the Kings before those people stop hating, and even then it might not be enough.

I wouldn't go as far as your 2nd paragraph. But your right Evans is going to have to prove himself. To me he still has to prove himself as a PG. We all know he's a legit scorer and can goto the hole at will. For some reason he was drafted to be a PG. I personally don't think he is one but to me that really shouldn't matter that much. The team lacked talent and they thought Evans was the BAP. He probably is. To me he isn't a pure point, but neither is Lebron, Wade, Kobe, T-Mac, etc. who play a similar role with the ball. Evans will eventually, or hopefully calm down with the TOs, but guys like Wade and Kobe have also had their TO issues. I just hope that Reke starts averaging like 1.5 to 2 A/TO. He doesn't need to be at 2.5 to 3 like a pure point but something better than 1 to 1 which is where he is at now.

Kobe was nearly 1:1 until 4th season in the NBA so it can take some time. And as late as a couple of seasons ago he was around 1.5 to 1. I just think we need to learn what exactly Tyreke is. I don't think anyone expected him to be a pure point, but that's not a bad thing either.

 

[AriesMar27]

the difference is that kobe, wade and lebron arent pg's.... so their turnovers arent as big of a deal... what happens when evans is being guarded in crunch time by an all star pg and not some rookie streetballer who wasnt smart enough to get into a community college? what will he do then? if he had 8 turnovers against scrubs how will he fare against chris paul, deron, tony parker and other starting pg's?

and i hate when people say, "well if people made their shots he would have more assists." so would jennings and he still managed to get 14. he would have 20-25 if his teammates made more of their shots. if jt converted all of his lobs that you guys kept mentioning evans would still have fewer assists than jennings. he might become a really good player but it wont be at pg... wade and lebron couldnt do it and they were much better than evans at this point in their careers....

 

[bigbadred00]

the difference is that kobe, wade and lebron arent pg's.... so their turnovers arent as big of a deal... what happens when evans is being guarded in crunch time by an all star pg and not some rookie streetballer who wasnt smart enough to get into a community college? what will he do then? if he had 8 turnovers against scrubs how will he fare against chris paul, deron, tony parker and other starting pg's?

and i hate when people say, "well if people made their shots he would have more assists." so would jennings and he still managed to get 14. he would have 20-25 if his teammates made more of their shots. if jt converted all of his lobs that you guys kept mentioning evans would still have fewer assists than jennings. he might become a really good player but it wont be at pg... wade and lebron couldnt do it and they were much better than evans at this point in their careers....

I have a feeling Evans eventually won't be a real PG either, but may be our secondary or even primary ball handler like those guys are.

People I think forget Lebron's first year in the NBA. It wasn't that great and obviously if Reke and near Lebron's first year--it be sick for us. His 2nd year in the NBA is where Lebron really started to shine, his first was good for a first year player out of HS but not really anything that sick.

Wade against wasn't that great his first year, his 2nd year is where he started to really shine and both LBJ and Wade had sick 3rd years. I think we have to be patient.

Also Lebron and Wade and Kobe are some of the best players all time, it's not fair to compare them to them. If he is half of what they are it will be a great pick imo.

I still think it will be unrealistic to imagine Evans as a pass first PG, b/c I don't think he'll ever be that. I think he's in the mold of other great swing players--which isn't a bad thing either. When was the last time a great PG dominated the NBA and won a title....the last one really is Magic. Nash, Stockton and now CP3 are all great but wing players like Kobe, Michael, Wade, ......and eventually Lebron have done bigger things than most of the great PGs of our era. Then again you'll need a great big to go with a great wing to really finish things off.

 

[dmj]

I know I sound like a broken record, but you guys are really making too big of a deal out of the TOs. Jameer Nelson and Devin Harris both averaged more turnovers than assists in the their summer league games and both are good PGs now.

 

[Bricklayer]

For people who did not watch the game, Evans was actually doing a very nice imitation of a competent PG in the halfcourt, and on the break. Not a ballhandling OG. A PG. He ran the pick and rolls. He knew exactly where to kick it on his drives. He's already got that. And his to the basket game, both off the dribble and in the post is going to be a real weapon that creates passing lanes for everybody else. In a lot of ways this is exactly the create his own offense guy we have been missing, and the big thing with a create his own offense guy is that if he is a willing passer he creates everybody else's offense too. That is where an off the ball movement guy like Kevin is notably inferior -- he doesn't help others get open. Reke's game is tailor made to get others open, if he's willing to pass it, and today he was for 3/4.

Now the TOs came in two areas -- first, in simply bringing the ball up the court. Not on the break, not running a pick and roll (although a few of his post feeds were shaky), but just getting picked trying to bring it up against a quick PG busting his butt on defense. That will be a problem, and in particular with the teaming with Kevin, who is a poor handler himself, and Noc who is not a ballhandler. Can't score if you can't get it over halfcourt. The second spot was in him trying to force too much action down inside on the drive or trying to punish Jennings in the post. That's not a huge concern -- that will be cut down with experience and with a more organized game than summer league.

He did quit passing late in the game and just tried to take it over wiht his own offense, but I'm not sure how bad a thing that was. He was the only guy doing anything on offense for most of the game (Landry had some moments), and it damn near worked until Jennings canned the sealing three there in the final seconds.

Its too bad Porter did not want to join the staff -- an old PG mentor like that would be just what the doctor ordered. As would, as an aside, a Clyde Drexler level ballhandling SG to share the backcourt duties. Evans showed considerable PG promise this game, but the shakiness remains in that Kevin's game is built for a pure PG running mate, while Evan's game is built for a ballhandling combo guard type SG. Kevin needed Rubio. Evans could use a Roy or Manu or Christie type.

 

[Kingster]

He has far enough to go to be ready to start at PG in the NBA that I doubt he will get there by the start of the season. If he is not there at the start of the season and you've already comitted to starting him there anyways, you're set up for a pretty bad situation. This team could really, really struggle and get in a hole early in the season, which will lead to a loser mentality that is very bad for a young team.

Oh please. You act as if the Kings were supposed to be competing for the playoffs next year. Evans is a project. He's going to take time to learn the pg position. So don't act as if you're broadcasting something that people don't know already. If you see the same Evans three years from now, then you'll have some news. In the meantime, the act is pretty tired.

 

[Prince_XY]

For people who did not watch the game, Evans was actually doing a very nice imitation of a competent PG in the halfcourt, and on the break. Not a ballhandling OG. A PG. He ran the pick and rolls. He knew exactly where to kick it on his drives. He's already got that. And his to the basket game, both off the dribble and in the post is going to be a real weapon that creates passing lanes for everybody else. In a lot of ways this is exactly the create his own offense guy we have been missing, and the big thing with a create his own offense guy is that if he is a willing passer he creates everybody else's offense too. That is where an off the ball movement guy like Kevin is notably inferior -- he doesn't help others get open. Reke's game is tailor made to get others open, if he's willing to pass it, and today he was for 3/4.

Now the TOs came in two areas -- first, in simply bringing the ball up the court. Not on the break, not running a pick and roll (although a few of his post feeds were shaky), but just getting picked trying to bring it up against a quick PG busting his butt on defense. That will be a problem, and in particular with the teaming with Kevin, who is a poor handler himself, and Noc who is not a ballhandler. Can't score if you can't get it over halfcourt. The second spot was in him trying to force too much action down inside on the drive or trying to punish Jennings in the post. That's not a huge concern -- that will be cut down with experience and with a more organized game than summer league.

He did quit passing late in the game and just tried to take it over wiht his own offense, but I'm not sure how bad a thing that was. He was the only guy doing anything on offense for most of the game (Landry had some moments), and it damn near worked until Jennings canned the sealing three there in the final seconds.

Its too bad Porter did not want to join the staff -- an old PG mentor like that would be just what the doctor ordered. As would, as an aside, a Clyde Drexler level ballhandling SG to share the backcourt duties. Evans showed considerable PG promise this game, but the shakiness remains in that Kevin's game is built for a pure PG running mate, while Evan's game is built for a ballhandling combo guard type SG. Kevin needed Rubio. Evans could use a Roy or Manu or Christie type.

At last. I've read something more credible, an assessment which describes the pros and cons on Tyreke Evans' game.

 

[Section 101]

For people who did not watch the game, Evans was actually doing a very nice imitation of a competent PG in the halfcourt, and on the break. Not a ballhandling OG. A PG. He ran the pick and rolls. He knew exactly where to kick it on his drives. He's already got that. And his to the basket game, both off the dribble and in the post is going to be a real weapon that creates passing lanes for everybody else. In a lot of ways this is exactly the create his own offense guy we have been missing, and the big thing with a create his own offense guy is that if he is a willing passer he creates everybody else's offense too. That is where an off the ball movement guy like Kevin is notably inferior -- he doesn't help others get open. Reke's game is tailor made to get others open, if he's willing to pass it, and today he was for 3/4.

Now the TOs came in two areas -- first, in simply bringing the ball up the court. Not on the break, not running a pick and roll (although a few of his post feeds were shaky), but just getting picked trying to bring it up against a quick PG busting his butt on defense. That will be a problem, and in particular with the teaming with Kevin, who is a poor handler himself, and Noc who is not a ballhandler. Can't score if you can't get it over halfcourt. The second spot was in him trying to force too much action down inside on the drive or trying to punish Jennings in the post. That's not a huge concern -- that will be cut down with experience and with a more organized game than summer league.

He did quit passing late in the game and just tried to take it over wiht his own offense, but I'm not sure how bad a thing that was. He was the only guy doing anything on offense for most of the game (Landry had some moments), and it damn near worked until Jennings canned the sealing three there in the final seconds.

Its too bad Porter did not want to join the staff -- an old PG mentor like that would be just what the doctor ordered. As would, as an aside, a Clyde Drexler level ballhandling SG to share the backcourt duties. Evans showed considerable PG promise this game, but the shakiness remains in that Kevin's game is built for a pure PG running mate, while Evan's game is built for a ballhandling combo guard type SG. Kevin needed Rubio. Evans could use a Roy or Manu or Christie type.

B I N G O

Which means if Evans is starting so should Cisco.

 

[AriesMar27]

For people who did not watch the game, Evans was actually doing a very nice imitation of a competent PG in the halfcourt, and on the break. Not a ballhandling OG. A PG. He ran the pick and rolls. He knew exactly where to kick it on his drives. He's already got that. And his to the basket game, both off the dribble and in the post is going to be a real weapon that creates passing lanes for everybody else. In a lot of ways this is exactly the create his own offense guy we have been missing, and the big thing with a create his own offense guy is that if he is a willing passer he creates everybody else's offense too. That is where an off the ball movement guy like Kevin is notably inferior -- he doesn't help others get open. Reke's game is tailor made to get others open, if he's willing to pass it, and today he was for 3/4.

Now the TOs came in two areas -- first, in simply bringing the ball up the court. Not on the break, not running a pick and roll (although a few of his post feeds were shaky), but just getting picked trying to bring it up against a quick PG busting his butt on defense. That will be a problem, and in particular with the teaming with Kevin, who is a poor handler himself, and Noc who is not a ballhandler. Can't score if you can't get it over halfcourt. The second spot was in him trying to force too much action down inside on the drive or trying to punish Jennings in the post. That's not a huge concern -- that will be cut down with experience and with a more organized game than summer league.

He did quit passing late in the game and just tried to take it over wiht his own offense, but I'm not sure how bad a thing that was. He was the only guy doing anything on offense for most of the game (Landry had some moments), and it damn near worked until Jennings canned the sealing three there in the final seconds.

Its too bad Porter did not want to join the staff -- an old PG mentor like that would be just what the doctor ordered. As would, as an aside, a Clyde Drexler level ballhandling SG to share the backcourt duties. Evans showed considerable PG promise this game, but the shakiness remains in that Kevin's game is built for a pure PG running mate, while Evan's game is built for a ballhandling combo guard type SG. Kevin needed Rubio. Evans could use a Roy or Manu or Christie type.

the problem with that is, thompson, nocioni and hawes' game are also built for a pure pg. we have the firepower, we just need a director to tell them where to go and get them the ball in their hot spots.... evans would be great in portland or even on a team like orlando back when they had hedo. but we need someone to run the offense, not act like he can run the offense. if kobe wanted to play pg he would be a really good pg, evans isnt that good. he isnt a franchise player like that, he just may end up being a better version of john salmons. a pretty good player that can play the 1, 2 and 3.... this is just like when we passed on rondo, segio and farmar except worse, we passed on a future all star pg in this draft.between rubio, jennings, flynn, lawson and the other 50,000 pg's in this draft atleast 2 of them will be all stars before evans.

again, i didnt get to watch the game but jennings proved that he was worth drafting higher than he was picked.... if he can do what he did then rubio would have been amazing. we dont need him to score just like the bucks dont need jenings to score. but once they figure out how to score at the nba level they will be amazing... evans doesnt have that going for him. he might be good but can any of us honestly say that he will be a great player? i can say that if/when rubio gets going he will be great. he just may revitalize whichever team he ends up playing for and lead them to or back to respectability.

i cant see evans doing that with the kings, maybe as some other teams star sg... like i said he would be great in orlando. but he wont be a chris paul/deron williams type of star for this team. he just wont be able to compete against the top pgs in the nba... he will abuse the older ones like fisher, well all pgs abuse fisher... but can you or anyone name the teams that evans will have a clear cut advantage against the opposing teams pg? besides the lakers of course...

lakers-obviously....
clippers-nope, unless baron is hurt
suns-nope
warriors-maybe, whos their pg? acie law...
nuggets-nope
jazz-nope
hornets-nope
twolves-maybe, havent seen flynn yet and rubio isnt playing in the country
spurs-nope
rockets-maybe, brooks is super quick but he is tiny and they just might put ariza on evans
mavs-nope
grizzlies-maybe, conley is kinda whack but he is super quick...
thunder-yeah, i can see him making a fool out of westbrook at the ft line
blazers-yeah, but the blazers would still win the game...

thats just the west....

 

[Kingsguy881]

the difference is that kobe, wade and lebron arent pg's.... so their turnovers arent as big of a deal... what happens when evans is being guarded in crunch time by an all star pg and not some rookie streetballer who wasnt smart enough to get into a community college? what will he do then? if he had 8 turnovers against scrubs how will he fare against chris paul, deron, tony parker and other starting pg's?

He will destroy them because of his size. Look, Evans, with some experience, is going to be a matchup nightmare. You are leading the hate-brigade on Evans and I don't get it. He will be solid as a pg, but spectacular as a player, and I'll take that any day over someone who is spectacular as a pg but only solid as a player. Spectacular players WIN championships, solid players CONTRIBUTE to winning championships.

Your hate-brigade is getting annoying. People on this board are salivating at the possibilities of having a player that can do anything on the court, and at the pg position no less. You OTOH are continuously harping on the fact that he doesn't fit the mold of a traditional pg. Well, neither did Oscar Robertson and from what I recall he did allright, and we very well might have found our circa 2000 Big O.

Evans has star potential. And if he doesn't work at the 1 then we can still go out and find a traditional 1. Evans, if he works hard and lives up to his potential, has at least 12 years in the NBA coming up. He doesn't have to play pg for all 12 years if it doesn't work, but he is going to be a star in the league and you just don't pass that up if you are Petrie.


Petrie made the right choice. Deal with it.

Stop being a critic and become a fan, enjoy the ride.

 

[Kingsguy881]

again, i didnt get to watch the game but jennings proved that he was worth drafting higher than he was picked.... if he can do what he did then rubio would have been amazing. we dont need him to score just like the bucks dont need jenings to score. but once they figure out how to score at the nba level they will be amazing... evans doesnt have that going for him. he might be good but can any of us honestly say that he will be a great player? i can say that if/when rubio gets going he will be great.

First of all, you didn't get to watch the game. Second of all, Jennings is going to be a decent player, but he will NEVER be what Evans is going to be. He will never be able to take over a game like Evans will.

What makes you so sure Rubio is going to be so great? Speculation? Youtube highlights? Youtube highlights made Douby look like an all star.

Evans scored 33 points, on barely less than 50% fg shooting and a crazy 17-19 from the line. Evans also had 9 boards and 7 dimes. Rubio would have had 15 pts, 5 boards and 11 dimes. I'll take 33-9-7 over 15-5-11 any day.

I don't understand your hate-brigade but there is going to be a lot of crow for you to eat coming up very shortly. Read the Brick's assessment of the game, someone who WATCHED it, and then lets go hunt for some crow for you because there is a lot of it out there for ya!

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

the problem with that is, thompson, nocioni and hawes' game are also built for a pure pg. we have the firepower, we just need a director to tell them where to go and get them the ball in their hot spots.... evans would be great in portland or even on a team like orlando back when they had hedo. but we need someone to run the offense, not act like he can run the offense. if kobe wanted to play pg he would be a really good pg, evans isnt that good. he isnt a franchise player like that, he just may end up being a better version of john salmons. a pretty good player that can play the 1, 2 and 3.... this is just like when we passed on rondo, segio and farmar except worse, we passed on a future all star pg in this draft.between rubio, jennings, flynn, lawson and the other 50,000 pg's in this draft atleast 2 of them will be all stars before evans.

again, i didnt get to watch the game but jennings proved that he was worth drafting higher than he was picked.... if he can do what he did then rubio would have been amazing. we dont need him to score just like the bucks dont need jenings to score. but once they figure out how to score at the nba level they will be amazing... evans doesnt have that going for him. he might be good but can any of us honestly say that he will be a great player? i can say that if/when rubio gets going he will be great. he just may revitalize whichever team he ends up playing for and lead them to or back to respectability.

i cant see evans doing that with the kings, maybe as some other teams star sg... like i said he would be great in orlando. but he wont be a chris paul/deron williams type of star for this team. he just wont be able to compete against the top pgs in the nba... he will abuse the older ones like fisher, well all pgs abuse fisher... but can you or anyone name the teams that evans will have a clear cut advantage against the opposing teams pg? besides the lakers of course...

lakers-obviously....
clippers-nope, unless baron is hurt
suns-nope
warriors-maybe, whos their pg? acie law...
nuggets-nope
jazz-nope
hornets-nope
twolves-maybe, havent seen flynn yet and rubio isnt playing in the country
spurs-nope
rockets-maybe, brooks is super quick but he is tiny and they just might put ariza on evans
mavs-nope
grizzlies-maybe, conley is kinda whack but he is super quick...
thunder-yeah, i can see him making a fool out of westbrook at the ft line
blazers-yeah, but the blazers would still win the game...

thats just the west....

I just got lost reading this.

How do you know he won't be a franchise player?

I think we drafted the player out of that list who is most likely to make multiple all-star appearances.

Didn't watch the game but are capable of making judgements on how Jennings played. How?

Rubio and Jennings have completely different styles, how can you transfer one players decent summer leagues stats to another player who's not even playing. Rubio is definitely showing he can make his team better by not showing up isn't he.

There's no guarantee they will develop a decent offensive game (Jason Kidd).

Seems to me Evans does have the ability to score at the NBA level already.

I don't think any of us can guarantee he's going to be great, but you seem to be capable of making that guarantee when he comes to Rubio. How is that?

 

[Seanathon81]

The King's 19 y/o rookie PG had 33 points keep in mind going to the line for 19 ft attempts so it's not as if he was just coming down and gunning 3's, hit the glass for 9, and dished out 7 assists in his 3rd summer league game.

If that is not good enough for you I would like to know wtf is? Look, I know some of you don't agree with the draft pick. But the hating on him is really just sad and ugly at this point. He is a King, and he might not play like the man you wanted to be on the Kings. But nitpicking everything he does wrong that you think might have been done better by a guy who the kings didn't draft while discrediting what he does bring to the table as pg because its impossible to get over the deep wounds the draft caused you IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE GUY YOU WANTED MAGICALLY APPEAR IN A KINGS UNIFORM!

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

He will destroy them because of his size. Look, Evans, with some experience, is going to be a matchup nightmare. You are leading the hate-brigade on Evans and I don't get it. He will be solid as a pg, but spectacular as a player, and I'll take that any day over someone who is spectacular as a pg but only solid as a player. Spectacular players WIN championships, solid players CONTRIBUTE to winning championships.

Your hate-brigade is getting annoying. People on this board are salivating at the possibilities of having a player that can do anything on the court, and at the pg position no less. You OTOH are continuously harping on the fact that he doesn't fit the mold of a traditional pg. Well, neither did Oscar Robertson and from what I recall he did allright, and we very well might have found our circa 2000 Big O.

Evans has star potential. And if he doesn't work at the 1 then we can still go out and find a traditional 1. Evans, if he works hard and lives up to his potential, has at least 12 years in the NBA coming up. He doesn't have to play pg for all 12 years if it doesn't work, but he is going to be a star in the league and you just don't pass that up if you are Petrie.


Petrie made the right choice. Deal with it.

Stop being a critic and become a fan, enjoy the ride.

Could not agree more.

 

[AriesMar27]

First of all, you didn't get to watch the game. Second of all, Jennings is going to be a decent player, but he will NEVER be what Evans is going to be. He will never be able to take over a game like Evans will.

What makes you so sure Rubio is going to be so great? Speculation? Youtube highlights? Youtube highlights made Douby look like an all star.

Evans scored 33 points, on barely less than 50% fg shooting and a crazy 17-19 from the line. Evans also had 9 boards and 7 dimes. Rubio would have had 15 pts, 5 boards and 11 dimes. I'll take 33-9-7 over 15-5-11 any day.

I don't understand your hate-brigade but there is going to be a lot of crow for you to eat coming up very shortly. Read the Brick's assessment of the game, someone who WATCHED it, and then lets go hunt for some crow for you because there is a lot of it out there for ya!

douby looked like he wouldnt make it through his rookie contract and it was true... douby never looked like anything more than a bench player and oddly enough he is just that. where is evans star potential? he looks like salmons back when he first came into the league, all the potential in the world but would never be the man... and he wasnt. evans might score a lot in summer league but greene scored like 40 points in a summer league game last year, what did that translate into? bench warmer... juan dixon score 100 points in a high school game and is he even in the league anymore?

i dont hate evans i just dont see how he will become a star pg in the nba. especially on this team, we dont have the right players to make evans a star pg. all of the things that make a great pg great are the things that evans lacks... even pgs that we hate have better pg skills than evans... marbury was a score first pg but still averaged 8 assists a game. evans will average more turnovers than assists if he is our starting pg. who cares if he can post up smaller players. he can barely get the ball across half court against another rookie...

jennings is putting up chris paul type numbers in summer league 15/11/4 and the things that he does in summer league are things that we all know he will be doing during the regular season. his scoring will be suspect but he will get assists and steals... he will run the bucks offense a lot better than evans will run ours. thats not me beinga evans hater but me being honset with myself as a kings fan... i didnt say that jennings is better than evans, in my opinion they play different positions. i dont see evans as a pg and in time neither will anyone else... he will be a sg. jennings is a better pg than evans, i will admit that without hesitation. if we had made a move for the wiz pick we couldve had both evans and our future starting pg. we didnt and that is what pisses me off so much. petrie is sitting on his ***...

 

[Kingsguy881]

You make me think you are blind, and it is very difficult to even finish reading your posts. I don't know what kind of basketball knowledge you have but it is very apparent Jennings will not be anywhere NEAR what CP3 is. And Evans is a different mold of player who will be a solid point but a spectacular player.

I don't think you are a true Kings fan. I'm sorry.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

douby looked like he wouldnt make it through his rookie contract and it was true... douby never looked like anything more than a bench player and oddly enough he is just that. where is evans star potential? he looks like salmons back when he first came into the league, all the potential in the world but would never be the man... and he wasnt. evans might score a lot in summer league but greene scored like 40 points in a summer league game last year, what did that translate into? bench warmer... juan dixon score 100 points in a high school game and is he even in the league anymore?

i dont hate evans i just dont see how he will become a star pg in the nba. especially on this team, we dont have the right players to make evans a star pg. all of the things that make a great pg great are the things that evans lacks... even pgs that we hate have better pg skills than evans... marbury was a score first pg but still averaged 8 assists a game. evans will average more turnovers than assists if he is our starting pg. who cares if he can post up smaller players. he can barely get the ball across half court against another rookie...

jennings is putting up chris paul type numbers in summer league 15/11/4 and the things that he does in summer league are things that we all know he will be doing during the regular season. his scoring will be suspect but he will get assists and steals... he will run the bucks offense a lot better than evans will run ours. thats not me beinga evans hater but me being honset with myself as a kings fan... i didnt say that jennings is better than evans, in my opinion they play different positions. i dont see evans as a pg and in time neither will anyone else... he will be a sg. jennings is a better pg than evans, i will admit that without hesitation. if we had made a move for the wiz pick we couldve had both evans and our future starting pg. we didnt and that is what pisses me off so much. petrie is sitting on his ***...

I doubt it will take Evans until his sixth year for him to average double figures in scoring.

What makes a great PG?

Leadership: Too early to tell, he's only 19 and hasn't played one regular season game.
Ability to break down a defense: Yup
Willingness to pass: Yup
Great Court Vision: Not the greatest, but good enough to find an open teammate.

Seems like he has characteristics needed to play PG.

 

[CruzDude]

Tyreke reminds me of Oscar Robertson, who once averaged a triple-double for an entire NBA season. Tyreke is that kind of potential.

 

[AriesMar27]

You make me think you are blind, and it is very difficult to even finish reading your posts. I don't know what kind of basketball knowledge you have but it is very apparent Jennings will not be anywhere NEAR what CP3 is. And Evans is a different mold of player who will be a solid point but a spectacular player.

I don't think you are a true Kings fan. I'm sorry.

you make me think that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to my views on this team... your 74 posts and join date prove that.

i didnt say that jennings will be as good as chris paul, he wont... but he will find a way for his team to compete. he will find the open man and make the right play. he proved that against our beloved kings, there was a reason why jennings and rubio got so much hype... there is something inside them that sets them apart from the rest of the pgs in this summers draft.

this blind homerism on this site is crazy... i havent seen this place so uptight since the old webber vs. peja days... do you know who won that argument? the webber fans, peja wasnt the player that everyone thought he was. he wasnt a leader, wasnt a franchise player... just a really, really, really... good shooter. for all of webbers faults we have been afterthought ever since the day his knee gave up on him.

you guys are hyping up evans just like everyone hyped up peja... i wasa kings fan before evans and i will hopefully be one after.... im young so i shoukd be around long enough to see that happen....

go kings....

 

[Jechtsphere]

I think some people were so in love with the possibility of getting a so called pure/pass first PG that they have a hard time coming to terms that he will be our PG of the future.

Some blind posts here but humorous nonetheless.

 

[VF21]

Personal opinion: The apparent hate on Tyreke Evans is no different than the over-the-top criticism by some on Hawes, on Martin, and on pretty much any draft pick made by Petrie since he got here. I've never understood it, but I've learned to pretty much overlook it from a fan point of view.

From a moderator point of view, it's a bit different. We encourage and support valid criticisms as they are part of what makes a good message board even better. What we don't want and won't allow are for those criticisms to be turned away from the players, the game, etc. and towards another poster. That's when the slippery slope to flame wars, personal attacks, etc. begins and it's something we just do not want to contend with.

I like the discussions about Evans for the simple reason at least we're excited about something. There will always be nay-sayers; without them we'd just be another fan board. All I'm asking is that people not throw out the "You're not a real fan" or "If you like _____ (player), you can't be a true Kings fan" or anything similar. In addition, the "hater" term gets really old really quickly and used way too often.

We can agree to disagree about things like strengths and weaknesses without taking it over the line into personal attacks against the poster with whom you disagree. If you do think someone has stepped over the line, please use the "refer a post" and a moderator will check into it and take any action they deem necessary.

Thanks, all! This is a great discussion about Evans but it needs to keep from getting personal.

 

[NME]

Actually those types of players were the kind most likely to bring the Championships. Only the Jordan/Stern era changed it into a one on one world of free throws and prima donnas.

You mean the era we're still in right now?

 

[NME]

i didnt say that jennings will be as good as chris paul, he wont... but he will find a way for his team to compete. he will find the open man and make the right play. he proved that against our beloved kings, there was a reason why jennings and rubio got so much hype... there is something inside them that sets them apart from the rest of the pgs in this summers draft.

He "proved that" in a scrub-filled glorified pickup game? Wow. Every year there are guards who look great in Summer League that end up barely belonging in the NBA.

 

[AriesMar27]

Personal opinion: The apparent hate on Tyreke Evans is no different than the over-the-top criticism by some on Hawes, on Martin, and on pretty much any draft pick made by Petrie since he got here. I've never understood it, but I've learned to pretty much overlook it from a fan point of view.

From a moderator point of view, it's a bit different. We encourage and support valid criticisms as they are part of what makes a good message board even better. What we don't want and won't allow are for those criticisms to be turned away from the players, the game, etc. and towards another poster. That's when the slippery slope to flame wars, personal attacks, etc. begins and it's something we just do not want to contend with.

I like the discussions about Evans for the simple reason at least we're excited about something. There will always be nay-sayers; without them we'd just be another fan board. All I'm asking is that people not throw out the "You're not a real fan" or "If you like _____ (player), you can't be a true Kings fan" or anything similar. In addition, the "hater" term gets really old really quickly and used way too often.

We can agree to disagree about things like strengths and weaknesses without taking it over the line into personal attacks against the poster with whom you disagree. If you do think someone has stepped over the line, please use the "refer a post" and a moderator will check into it and take any action they deem necessary.

Thanks, all! This is a great discussion about Evans but it needs to keep from getting personal.

i think its kinda different than the martin, hawes picks... we didnt have a choice with hawes, he was the best player available. didnt everyone want noah? martin was picked at the end of the 1st round, i dont think we really had any idea that he would be as good as he has become. the argument came from some posters thinking that he will become another peja type of player and other thinking that he would be more well rounded.... brick was right about that one.

the evans debate is about him somehow becoming the exception to the rule and actually becoming an all star pg when he will most likely become a sg and the ones that wanted a pure pg.... which is the one thing that up until drafting evans that we could all agree with. after having bibby and then beno, passing up on rondo and sergio for douby we all wanted a real pg. unfortunately for some of us we stil havent gotten that pg. sergio doesnt count.

 

[AriesMar27]

He "proved that" in a scrub-filled glorified pickup game? Wow. Every year there are guards who look great in Summer League that end up barely belonging in the NBA.

how many of them were averaging 15/11/4steal? none... most of them are turnover prone like evans....

flynn is averaging 12pts/10ast
collison is averaging 19pts/6ast/5reb
evans is averaging 24/4/5to

his scoring is suspect since he is averaging just as many fta as fga... thats most due to the fact that he is 6 inches taller than everyone who is guarding him. that and the fact that they are all rookies as well... their first time guarding someone in the nba and he is half a foot taller than they are. yet they still end up winning the game.

 

[Kingsguy881]

you make me think that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to my views on this team... your 74 posts and join date prove that.

i didnt say that jennings will be as good as chris paul, he wont... but he will find a way for his team to compete. he will find the open man and make the right play. he proved that against our beloved kings, there was a reason why jennings and rubio got so much hype... there is something inside them that sets them apart from the rest of the pgs in this summers draft.

this blind homerism on this site is crazy... i havent seen this place so uptight since the old webber vs. peja days... do you know who won that argument? the webber fans, peja wasnt the player that everyone thought he was. he wasnt a leader, wasnt a franchise player... just a really, really, really... good shooter. for all of webbers faults we have been afterthought ever since the day his knee gave up on him.

you guys are hyping up evans just like everyone hyped up peja... i wasa kings fan before evans and i will hopefully be one after.... im young so i shoukd be around long enough to see that happen....

go kings....

I understand what you are saying VF, I need to respond to this and I will keep it within the parameters of which have been laid down.

My post count and join date notwithstanding, my love of the Kings goes back to before a lot of people's. Season tickets in the old one level Arena. Powder blue jersey, Reggie Theus, Mark Olberding, Tank Thompson, Harold Pressley, Otis Thorpe etc... My knowledge of basketball transcends most of the people in here. I was an advocate of keeping Hedo and trading Peja. Big time.

You didn't come out and say Jennings would be as good as Paul, but you alluded to it and that is enough. You were trying to draw a connection and you made that very clear. So I refuted it. You state that Jennings got "so much hype", well he got that hype because he has a big mouth and before the draft he came out and said he was the best pg available and said all sorts of other news worthy things. He wasn't hyped at all prior to, he had a dismal season overseas.

There is no blind homerism, and this place is only uptight because there are people who aren't even WATCHING the team play who are "hating" on the players. Based on what, again? Why would someone say that Jennings is going to be so good, Rubio is going to be so great, and Evans won't when they haven't even been watching the games being played? Just by going off what other people are saying?

Where most of the problem lies in this "discussion" is that Evans has so much potential, so many freakish physical gifts, so much room to improve and yet he is already really good, and there are still those who want to detract from all of his positives to point out how many rookie mistakes he makes.

Rookies learn from their mistakes, you can teach them. You can't teach physical gifts, intincts, potential, drive. Every point that is being made negatively about Evans game can be taught or fixed with a little experience. Everything that he already brings to the table can't be taught, he just has the ability and thats it. You don't find that often, and he has it. He is going to be great because he has the physical abilities and the only things he doesn't do well are easy fixes, something he will learn over the course of his career. I'm not getting how you don't understand that. It's basic basketball logic.

 

[NME]

For people who did not watch the game, Evans was actually doing a very nice imitation of a competent PG in the halfcourt, and on the break. Not a ballhandling OG. A PG. He ran the pick and rolls. He knew exactly where to kick it on his drives. He's already got that.

Right, that was the most encouraging thing; just making the correct play in common situations. He made the right passes off of drives, he made the right passes on the break, and he made the proper play on the pick and roll. He will probably pick up an extra TO here and there as an aggressive driving guard. If he works on bringing the ball up, he'll be just fine.

 

[VF21]

I understand what you are saying VF, I need to respond to this and I will keep it within the parameters of which have been laid down.

Thank you.

My post count and join date notwithstanding, my love of the Kings goes back to before a lot of people's. Season tickets in the old one level Arena. Powder blue jersey, Reggie Theus, Mark Olberding, Tank Thompson, Harold Pressley, Otis Thorpe etc... My knowledge of basketball transcends most of the people in here. I was an advocate of keeping Hedo and trading Peja. Big time.

You're entirely correct about this, especially the post count thing. Every person on this forum was new once, even me.

You didn't come out and say Jennings would be as good as Paul, but you alluded to it and that is enough. You were trying to draw a connection and you made that very clear. So I refuted it. You state that Jennings got "so much hype", well he got that hype because he has a big mouth and before the draft he came out and said he was the best pg available and said all sorts of other news worthy things. He wasn't hyped at all prior to, he had a dismal season overseas.

There is no blind homerism, and this place is only uptight because there are people who aren't even WATCHING the team play who are "hating" on the players. Based on what, again? Why would someone say that Jennings is going to be so good, Rubio is going to be so great, and Evans won't when they haven't even been watching the games being played? Just by going off what other people are saying?

Where most of the problem lies in this "discussion" is that Evans has so much potential, so many freakish physical gifts, so much room to improve and yet he is already really good, and there are still those who want to detract from all of his positives to point out how many rookie mistakes he makes.

Rookies learn from their mistakes, you can teach them. You can't teach physical gifts, intincts, potential, drive. Every point that is being made negatively about Evans game can be taught or fixed with a little experience. Everything that he already brings to the table can't be taught, he just has the ability and thats it. You don't find that often, and he has it. He is going to be great because he has the physical abilities and the only things he doesn't do well are easy fixes, something he will learn over the course of his career. I'm not getting how you don't understand that. It's basic basketball logic.

And that is, IMHO, an excellent summary of the whole debate. Nice job.

 

[Kingsguy881]

how many of them were averaging 15/11/4steal? none... most of them are turnover prone like evans....

flynn is averaging 12pts/10ast
collison is averaging 19pts/6ast/5reb
evans is averaging 24/4/5to

his scoring is suspect since he is averaging just as many fta as fga... thats most due to the fact that he is 6 inches taller than everyone who is guarding him. that and the fact that they are all rookies as well... their first time guarding someone in the nba and he is half a foot taller than they are. yet they still end up winning the game.

Is Dwyane Wade "turnover prone"? LBJ? Kobe Bryant? LMAO!!!!!!

How is his scoring suspect? He has a penchant for getting to the line, so he doesn't get as many calls in his rookie season, he will in subsequent seasons and the Kings will reap those benefits.

Oh, and he will be half a foot taller than half of the people he plays in the NBA, so deal with it. Everything you point out can be refuted. Dwyane Wade is 6'4". He does most of the ball handling for his team. When the ball gets to the frontcourt who has it? Wade. This is a moot argument that will only be won 25 games into the season. I'll be back to spoonfeed the crow, don't doubt it.