VSL Game 3 Thread - Kings vs. Bucks

[ReturnOfTheKings]

Hell if the other guys cant make their plays I say let Reke do his thing. Jesus if you lob some passes to your "starting" and 2nd year forwards and they cant make plays its sure not Reke to blame. I thought we had skilled bigs not butterfingers.

Ok I'm calming down...calm Summer League..calm this doesnt matter..

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/

Jennings showed some of the immaturity he was criticized for having before the draft when after missing a shot on which he thought he was fouled, Jennings tripped Thompson.

Thompson only offered a stern glare, but has not retaliated.

I dont remember seeing this ..

 

[Section 101]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/



I dont remember seeing this ..

It wasnt on camera. It's when JT was picking himself up on the sideline.

 

[dmj]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/



I dont remember seeing this ..

I don't think the camera showed it, but I do remember Jennings getting called for a foul on Thompson at around midcourt and seeing Thompson get up.

 

[swisshh]

Tyreke was setting up his teamates beautifully in the first half they just werent making there easy shots. I dont blame Reek for trying to go to the hole everytime if his teammates cant make a layup.
Thompson has let me down this summer league.

Actually the Kings were converting far better than the Bucks were in the first half. They were finishing inside and hitting threes outside.

At the start of the second half, Evans started turning the ball over and in the fourth quarter pretty much stopped looking to pass in an effort I think to limit his turnovers.

 

[ElRey]

Actually the Kings were converting far better than the Bucks were in the first half. They were finishing inside and hitting threes outside.

At the start of the second half, Evans started turning the ball over and in the fourth quarter pretty much stopped looking to pass in an effort I think to limit his turnovers.

I think Milwaukee really keyed in on him too in the second half... there was always 1 or 2 players right behind Jennings in case Tyreke gets pass him. Evans looked like he just got frustrated with his teammates at the end of the game, and took it upon himself to try to win it. typical rookie. But the way the Kings played in the second half, we would have lost even with John Stockton as our point guard!

 

[AriesMar27]

how can any of you say that evans is a better pg than jennings? jennings had just as many assists as our entire team which was 14 with only 4 to's... if beno had that kinda game you guys would be saying that he should be an all star.... i didnt watch the game so i cant say who dominated who but i can say that jennings did his job a lot better than evans did. if this were a regular season game jennings would still be 5-13... there is no way that evans would be scoring like that with the rest of the starters in the game. especially with the turnovers, beno or sergio would be taking his place in a heartbeat.

based on the box score evans game wasnt that impressive because there is very little chance that he would be able to get 19 freethrows on this team. if anything his game seems more like a sg than a pg.... he can pass the ball but so can kobe, tmac, wade, roy and lebron... doesnt make them pg's... im not bashing evans but i dont see how he can be the starting pg with so many turnovers... so far in summer league he is averaging more to's than assists.... he's scoring more than enough but damn....

 

[gunks]

Whelp...Just checked the boxscore.

JT stinks it up again. I remember him being very underwhelming last summer league too, then he opened the season with a 20/10 game.

I think as some people have said; summer league may be too slapdash and goofy for JT? Or he cant get into it? Whatever, I'm not going to trip...If he averages 5 rpg for the first month of the season THEN I'll worry. But he'll probably be fine once the season starts.


Evans = Beast.

Brockman = 10-15 mpg at the next level beast. Dude can come in for us and bounce around if we are getting hurt on the boards in a game.

7 TOs is worrying from our future PG...But he's an upgrade from Beno. Beno gives you TOs without bringing assists, steals, rebounds, scoring, hussle plays, blocks, 3s, FTs, deflections, defense.

 

[dmj]

I don't know, Evans is by far our best option on offense, so it doesn't surprise me to see him taking the majority of shots down the stretch when the next best player on the team is shooting 30%.

Honestly, with Reke shooting ~50% from the field and getting to the line at will, do you guys really want him making the extra pass to Jon Brockman?

 

[ElRey]

how can any of you say that evans is a better pg than jennings? jennings had just as many assists as our entire team which was 14 with only 4 to's... if beno had that kinda game you guys would be saying that he should be an all star.... i didnt watch the game so i cant say who dominated who but i can say that jennings did his job a lot better than evans did. if this were a regular season game jennings would still be 5-13... there is no way that evans would be scoring like that with the rest of the starters in the game. especially with the turnovers, beno or sergio would be taking his place in a heartbeat.

based on the box score evans game wasnt that impressive because there is very little chance that he would be able to get 19 freethrows on this team. if anything his game seems more like a sg than a pg.... he can pass the ball but so can kobe, tmac, wade, roy and lebron... doesnt make them pg's... im not bashing evans but i dont see how he can be the starting pg with so many turnovers... so far in summer league he is averaging more to's than assists.... he's scoring more than enough but damn....

You didn't watch the game, enough said... Evans would have had a lot of assist too if his teammates made wide open shots. Like I said in a previous post, Summer League is where Jennings should shine, since it's more like a pick up game. Jennings had free reign to try to steal and gamble on every play because refs are much more lax in summer league and players also get more fouls/game. He already had 4 fouls well before the second half ended...in a real season game, he would have fouled out in the second quarter. Jennings had a great game, but you also have to take into account the setting in which it occured too. In the first half, Evans dominated Jennings. But Milwaukee adjusted in the second half and made life much more difficult for Evans.

 

[dmj]

I'm really not that worried about his TO's at all. All but maybe 2 of them were a result Jennings playing him very aggressively in the backcourt. If Jennings actually had to worry about staying out of foul trouble like he would in a real game Tyreke would have had 2 or 3 turnovers at the most.

And even aside from the foul issue, Jennings was playing superb defense the entire game. I don't think there is another pg in this summer league who wouldn't have had the same problems with Jennings that Evans had.

I honestly feel more optimistic about Evans' ability to play the point after this game than I did after the last two. He did a much better job finding teammates and didn't force the issue like a lot of combo guards are prone to doing.

 

[ElRey]

I'm really not that worried about his TO's at all. All but maybe 2 of them were a result Jennings playing him very aggressively in the backcourt. If Jennings actually had to worry about staying out of foul trouble like he would in a real game Tyreke would have had 2 or 3 turnovers at the most.

I honestly feel more optimistic about Evans' ability to play the point after this game than I did after the last two. He did a much better job finding teammates and didn't force the issue like a lot of combo guards are prone to doing.

Agree, BENO would be getting plenty of steals too if you let him hack and foul all he wanted in a game.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

Whelp...Just checked the boxscore.

JT stinks it up again. I remember him being very underwhelming last summer league too, then he opened the season with a 20/10 game.

I think as some people have said; summer league may be too slapdash and goofy for JT? Or he cant get into it? Whatever, I'm not going to trip...If he averages 5 rpg for the first month of the season THEN I'll worry. But he'll probably be fine once the season starts.


Evans = Beast.

Brockman = 10-15 mpg at the next level beast. Dude can come in for us and bounce around if we are getting hurt on the boards in a game.

7 TOs is worrying from our future PG...But he's an upgrade from Beno. Beno gives you TOs without bringing assists, steals, rebounds, scoring, hussle plays, blocks, 3s, FTs, deflections, defense.

This. Plus I think once Evans gets comfortable with the other Kings starters and learns where people are going to be in this offense those TO's will decrease.

 

[swisshh]

You didn't watch the game, enough said... Evans would have had a lot of assist too if his teammates made wide open shots. Like I said in a previous post, Summer League is where Jennings should shine, since it's more like a pick up game. Jennings had free reign to try to steal and gamble on every play because refs are much more lax in summer league and players also get more fouls/game. He already had 4 fouls well before the second half ended...in a real season game, he would have fouled out in the second quarter. Jennings had a great game, but you also have to take into account the setting in which it occured too. In the first half, Evans dominated Jennings. But Milwaukee adjusted in the second half and made life much more difficult for Evans.

Where is this coming from? The Bucks were running a more pro style and structured offense than the Kings were.

Here is the thing: Jennings looked like a PG. Evans looked liked a 2. Jennings ran the offense better, got more assists with the Bucks missing far more gimmies than the Kings players were. Evans severely outscored and rebounded Jennings.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Let him get his turnovers out now. The coaching staff will teach him how to get the ball into the front court and receive it again on the wing....that way he has the ball in his hands ready to initiate the offense. Controlling his turnovers is easy, its not like some sort of physical gift of which he possesses a ton of. He just has to get caught up to the speed of an nba game, to learn the ways each player plays defense.

Tyreke is going to be the bomb, Petrie has gotten 1 of the 2 stars that were going to come out of this draft. Rubio is good, but he is not going to be able to dominate a game like Tyreke will be able to. Rubio will probably end up being a top notch point guard in the league. But would you rather have Jason Kidd or Dwayne Wade? Wade will take over a game in the final moments to secure a win, Kidd will actively particopate in pulling out a win.

Look, Tyreke is going to turn the ball over. A lot. But look at the league leaders in turnovers. I guarantee you that DWade is high on that list. Players that have the ball in their hands are prone to do that, especially when they are the best option their team has for getting a good look, or a foul. Reke will have a bullseye shooter and decent ball handler on the wing with him in Martin, not to mention a couple great ball handlers coming coming off the bench in Cisco and Sergio.

He won't need to handle the ball that much in the regular season, but you always have the option tat if the offense breaks down or gets stagnant you have 2 wings that can take the ball to the basket and get fouled, or at the very least get off a higher percentage shot.

Please understand the message: see the big picture, don't just focus on the present.

 

[kingsnation]

Where is this coming from? The Bucks were running a more pro style and structured offense than the Kings were.

Here is the thing: Jennings looked like a PG. Evans looked liked a 2. Jennings ran the offense better, got more assists with the Bucks missing far more gimmies than the Kings players were. Evans severely outscored and rebounded Jennings.

I think the Bucks were not running a "more pro style" offense, moreso it was the Kings defense playing just absolutely terrible tonight.

Secondly, the Kings transition defense might have been even worse than their half-court d. The Bucks got up and over the Kings literally.

 

[dmj]

Where is this coming from? The Bucks were running a more pro style and structured offense than the Kings were.

Here is the thing: Jennings looked like a PG. Evans looked liked a 2. Jennings ran the offense better, got more assists with the Bucks missing far more gimmies than the Kings players were. Evans severely outscored and rebounded Jennings.

Just because someone isn't a pass first point guard like Jennings doesn't mean they are a 2. Evans did a good job of running the offense and made good passes. He obviously looks to score first, but that doesn't mean he isn't a point guard.

 

[rainmaker]

Let him get his turnovers out now. The coaching staff will teach him how to get the ball into the front court and receive it again on the wing....that way he has the ball in his hands ready to initiate the offense. Controlling his turnovers is easy, its not like some sort of physical gift of which he possesses a ton of. He just has to get caught up to the speed of an nba game, to learn the ways each player plays defense.

Tyreke is going to be the bomb, Petrie has gotten 1 of the 2 stars that were going to come out of this draft. Rubio is good, but he is not going to be able to dominate a game like Tyreke will be able to. Rubio will probably end up being a top notch point guard in the league. But would you rather have Jason Kidd or Dwayne Wade? Wade will take over a game in the final moments to secure a win, Kidd will actively particopate in pulling out a win.

Look, Tyreke is going to turn the ball over. A lot. But look at the league leaders in turnovers. I guarantee you that DWade is high on that list. Players that have the ball in their hands are prone to do that, especially when they are the best option their team has for getting a good look, or a foul. Reke will have a bullseye shooter and decent ball handler on the wing with him in Martin, not to mention a couple great ball handlers coming coming off the bench in Cisco and Sergio.

He won't need to handle the ball that much in the regular season, but you always have the option tat if the offense breaks down or gets stagnant you have 2 wings that can take the ball to the basket and get fouled, or at the very least get off a higher percentage shot.

Please understand the message: see the big picture, don't just focus on the present.

Good post. For the most part I agree with everything you said. I'm not worried about Tyreke's turnovers at all, and I think they are getting blown out of proportion. I am encouraged by just about every other aspect of his game. His shooting needs work, but again, its not a huge problem right now given how easily he gets to the rack, and he already has a good pullup jumper in the 8-12 ft range.

IMO, if we drafted Rubio, Flynn, jennings, or any other pg in this draft, we would all have more complaints about their game than just turnovers. And in general, to expect a 19 yr old pg to not turn the ball over in his 1st 3 summer league games is a little rediculous.

 

[swisshh]

I think the Bucks were not running a "more pro style" offense, moreso it was the Kings defense playing just absolutely terrible tonight.

Secondly, the Kings transition defense might have been even worse than their half-court d. The Bucks got up and over the Kings literally.

Having watched the game, I totally disagree. The Bucks were running set plays, curls and a recognizable offense. The Kings routinely relied on Evans just trying to break his man down one on one and seeing what happens from there. There were some picks with Jason that normally turned into bad lob passes and some side picks that turned into good swing passes, but often it was "Hey Reke, do your thang" and then hope for the best. That may have been to just see what Tyreke could possibly do, but we didn't learn anything new from it. We just saw what most of us believed before, that his PG skills are very limited and he's a far better scorer than team facilitator.

And unless you have a point forward/center elsewhere then you do need PG skills from your PG. The Kings don't have anyone reliable enough at the forward or upfront to do handle that. Add in the fact that Evans has had repeated difficulty even bringing the ball up court, then you do have a serious concern for the regular season. The ball handling issues and offensive system issues will only get worse versus NBA talent and NBA level defenses. And he won't be going to the FT line as much as a rookie. The turnovers could potentially increase in a regular season situation.

He has far enough to go to be ready to start at PG in the NBA that I doubt he will get there by the start of the season. If he is not there at the start of the season and you've already comitted to starting him there anyways, you're set up for a pretty bad situation. This team could really, really struggle and get in a hole early in the season, which will lead to a loser mentality that is very bad for a young team.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

very little chance that he would be able to get 19 freethrows on this team. if anything his game seems more like a sg than a pg....

I bet he goes to the line atleast 10 times.

I think Kmart, Hawes and Cisco make JT's job easier and with Evans now. Jt will be fine.

JT will avg 18 and 10 next season.

 

[gunks]

Having watched the game, I totally disagree. The Bucks were running set plays, curls and a recognizable offense. The Kings routinely relied on Evans just trying to break his man down one on one and seeing what happens from there. There were some picks with Jason that normally turned into bad lob passes and some side picks that turned into good swing passes, but often it was "Hey Reke, do your thang" and then hope for the best. That may have been to just see what Tyreke could possibly do, but we didn't learn anything new from it. We just saw what most of us believed before, that his PG skills are very limited and he's a far better scorer than team facilitator.

And unless you have a point forward/center elsewhere then you do need PG skills from your PG. The Kings don't have anyone reliable enough at the forward or upfront to do handle that. Add in the fact that Evans has had repeated difficulty even bringing the ball up court, then you do have a serious concern for the regular season. The ball handling issues and offensive system issues will only get worse versus NBA talent and NBA level defenses. And he won't be going to the FT line as much as a rookie. The turnovers could potentially increase in a regular season situation.

He has far enough to go to be ready to start at PG in the NBA that I doubt he will get there by the start of the season. If he is not there at the start of the season and you've already comitted to starting him there anyways, you're set up for a pretty bad situation. This team could really, really struggle and get in a hole early in the season, which will lead to a loser mentality that is very bad for a young team.

Valid points.

We should go after Odom

 

[sactownfan]

anyone see Jennings trip Thompson?

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Evans tore a ligament in his finger....

http://www.youtube.com/user/kingsflix#play/uploads/1/9rXdSBciOWI

 

[Prince_XY]

After reading the comments of the Kings fans and those of Kings haters, and/or the Pro-Rubio/Evans-haters, I am glad we've got Evans instead of the other players available at #4 pick. It seems to me that Evans might not turn out to be the "pure" point guard, or a Steve Nash/Jason Kidd type of player, but I don't care now. Those type of point guards are less likely to bring Championship anyways. What we have now is a beast at PG position who have the potential to dominate for a long time in the NBA.

Evans is just amazing at 19 years of age. At times he seems like a Lebron James type of player, sometimes a Dwane Wade, and at other times he looks like a biggger Chauncey Billups.

It would be interesting to follow what kind of a player Evans will turn out in the NBA.

 

[swisshh]

Those type of point guards are less likely to bring Championship anyways. .

Actually those types of players were the kind most likely to bring the Championships. Only the Jordan/Stern era changed it into a one on one world of free throws and prima donnas.

 

[Prince_XY]

Actually those types of players were the kind most likely to bring the Championships. Only the Jordan/Stern era changed it into a one on one world of free throws and prima donnas.

We are in the new-world of NBA basketball now. I'd rather use ideas that currently work.

 

[swisshh]

Well, times can change. And you have to have a highly athletic and marketable type of 'new era' player to succeed. Lebron, Kobe and Dwade have it, but guys like Arenas and Baron Davis have barely been out of the first round. Kidd got himself to the finals twice and those Nets teams were really average.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Evans is such a dominant player. I hope the Evans Hatorade goes out of stock so we can all just enjoy and support this kid.

Evans is showing he can bring one great thing that this team has been missing for like ages. And that's someone who can easily penetrate and slash towards the rim and at the same time has a good vision to still pass that ball to a wide open man. It may not be a very creative way of passing but his doing it well enough to get it to his teammate. He has done that several times in SL and that's good thing I can smile at.

And since when have we gotten a PG that actually cares to block? Beno? Bibby? Williams?

Evans will be a great PG. Those turnovers will decline once the team gets acquainted with each other and surely the coaching staff will address that also.

Evans and Martin will be a tough backcourt duo starting this season. I just hope we can get a veteran big this season coz JT and Hawes will need some rotation help up front.

 

[Prince_XY]

Well, times can change. And you have to have a highly athletic and marketable type of 'new era' player to succeed. Lebron, Kobe and Dwade have it, but guys like Arenas and Baron Davis have barely been out of the first round. Kidd got himself to the finals twice and those Nets teams were really average.

I agree. Times can change. I also agree Lebron, Kobe, and Wade have it. And this is why I like Evans more now, than Rubio, Flynn, Jennings, and all the other players picked beyond #4.

Evans had seemingly shown the past 3 SL games that he's got more talent that can alleviate a lot of the deficienies that the Kings have - very much like the way Lebron, Bryant, and Dwade ( and Chauncey Billups ) are on their teams. You name it, Evans has shown high potential that he can develop it. The Kid is just amazingly well-rounded as a basketball player. He's got the physical tools too. If he doesn't turn-out to be a Kidd/Nash ( which I hope he won't anyways ), he may very well turn out to be a Lebron, Wade, Bryant, or Billups.

With Rubio, Flynn, and Jennings?

I don't think so.

 

[bigbadred00]

Looks like Tyreke has played well....I doubted him. But I still don't think he's ever going to be a legit PG b/c he turns the ball over too much. I think he can be like Wade or Kobe when it comes to ball handling which isn't a bad thing. I'm just not sure how a PG-Tyreke-Kevin Martin lineup will work. Can Reke play the 3, b/c I'm pretty sure K-Mart can't. The PG would probably be best as a solid passer and a shooter like Bibby in the past or D-Fisher or Mo Williams. Looks like if Reke can play similarly well in the regular season we could have a star on our hands, then again it's the summer league.