Voisin: Webber's wounded knee is huge concern

[Vlad]

No actually, they haven't. That's the point. There have been next to zero articles coming out of anyplace but Voison's backside saying the Kings have been agrressively trying to trade Webber. The few that have even mentioned it in passing have all used the euphemism "reports out of Sacramento" which would seem to strongly indicate they are based on 2nd hand reports of stuff Voison herself has made up. If I make up the story that Rick Adelman has resigned and that's picked up on another messageboard somewhere, it doesn't suddenly make my initial lie any more true (I use that example since it happened with a parody story I made up).

If Webber were truly out there being shopped aggressivelythere would be a long list of hacks having a field day with the story. Think of what they did with Peja after we said he was NOT out there.

This is a clear and simple case of a journalist 1) being dishonest, perhaps even to herself; 2) trying to cover her *** by singlehandedly repeating a falsity she initially made up herself; and 3) perhpas hoping that her one man campaign can become self-fulfilling (which is actually why she has fans amongst those who want Webber gone -- make up the story, press it, create a buzz, make him and management uncomfortable, and maybe they do it).

Poor Webb, the world is conspiring against him.

Brick - why is Voisin definitely lying? News about trades sometimes do not come out until the trade is about to be finalized, resulting in many players finding out they are being traded from Sunday's sports section. And it would be management's imperative (in this case) to keep the whole matter hush-hush if they actually were trying to trade Webber. The word "aggresively" may exaggerate how much management wants to find a suitor for a swap, but the idea that Webber is on the market may not be totally baseless.

 

[Vlad]

If you knew Garliguy at all you wouldn't have to ask that. I'm fairly sure he believes Webb eats small children in between bilking senior citizens out of their life's savings.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[coolhandluke]

It always amuses me to see a whole lot of people getting their undies in a bunch over a Voisin article.

 

[Bricklayer]

Poor Webb, the world is conspiring against him.

Brick - why is Voisin definitely lying? News about trades sometimes do not come out until the trade is about to be finalized, resulting in many players finding out they are being traded from Sunday's sports section. And it would be management's imperative (in this case) to keep the whole matter hush-hush if they actually were trying to trade Webber. The word "aggresively" may exaggerate how much management wants to find a suitor for a swap, but the idea that Webber is on the market may not be totally baseless.

Voison probably has LESS access to the Kings than any other Sacramento writer -- she has thoroughly alienated players, the coaching staff, and the front office. Yet she continues to press the claim that she somehow has knowledge that Webber is being shopped. Not only being shopped, but being shopped "aggressively", that Petrie is trying "desperately" etc. etc.

Now 1) NO other Sacramento writer, so far as I know, has made a similar claim. I believe a few have said he SHOULD be shopped, which is different entirely -- that would not be dishonest. And that is the difference.
and 2) as far as I can tell, NO other NBA writer, not even the normal rumor-mongerers like Vescey etc. has come forward with a rumor either that has not been based in Voison's claims themselves. And not a peep out of other cities about "being in talks with" etc. If Webber was indeed being shopped, and being shopped so aggressively that a pariah such as Voison was privy to the knowledge, I can virtually guarantee that SOMEBODY else would have caught a whiff of it too. And that it would be big, sensationalistic news. Webber is entirely too high profile a player for other hacks to ignore if his name is being tossed around.

Combined with Voison's unceasing attacks on Webb for years now, it is a very short, and very logical leap over to the obvious conclusion -- that she has stretched the bounds of "stretching the truth" and "innuendo" to the breaking point. Beyond the breaking point actually.

 

[50pts]

Poor Webb, the world is conspiring against him.

Brick - why is Voisin definitely lying? News about trades sometimes do not come out until the trade is about to be finalized, resulting in many players finding out they are being traded from Sunday's sports section. And it would be management's imperative (in this case) to keep the whole matter hush-hush if they actually were trying to trade Webber. The word "aggresively" may exaggerate how much management wants to find a suitor for a swap, but the idea that Webber is on the market may not be totally baseless.

Vlad - some of us just know that Voisin has a deep Psychotic hatred for webber but we just aren't sure why...we still need to find a motive..and more proof. see the problem ...no motive...no real evidence...any cort of law thats would not be enough.....im currently working on a theory that goes like this:

Cweb and Voisin were once (secretly) married when webber was playing for golden state, now when webber went to washington he said that he would take her with him and find her a job at the washington post. now this is where marc stein comes into it - webber moved on and totally forgot about Voisin so she thought she would try her luck at ESPN. At that time Marc stein had some business dealings with David Stern which through no fault of his fell through. Marc stein felt he got "ripped off" by mr stern but knew any confontation would lead to his downfall as david sterns daughter goes out with ESPN editors brothers in laws son. Now the stress and thinking if his days of a sports journalist were over he met Voisin. Voisin being the sly manipulator that she is managed to brainwash stern into thing that webber was the reason for the business dealing going down(because webber was part owner of a night club with david stern and wanted more investment into his club). now after this its still a bit of a blur but lets just put it this way Voisin somhow found a job at the sacbee so when webber ound out he was going to sac town what did he say "Dam no im not going there ,Voisin is there!" - its all makes sense thats why webber initially didnt want to come here!

 

[50pts]

Combined with Voison's unceasing attacks on Webb for years now, it is a very short, and very logical leap over to the obvious conclusion -- that she has stretched the bounds of "stretching the truth" and "innuendo" to the breaking point. Beyond the breaking point actually.

yes i agree, this is far beyond "stretching the truth" as you put it...this is organized and pre-meditated. she has a plan and she will do whatever it takes to eliminate webber...!

 

[SacKings384]

Voison probably has LESS access to the Kings than any other Sacramento writer -- she has thoroughly alienated players, the coaching staff, and the front office. Yet she continues to press the claim that she somehow has knowledge that Webber is being shopped. Not only being shopped, but being shopped "aggressively", that Petrie is trying "desperately" etc. etc.

Now 1) NO other Sacramento writer, so far as I know, has made a similar claim. I believe a few have said he SHOULD be shopped, which is different entirely -- that would not be dishonest. And that is the difference.
and 2) as far as I can tell, NO other NBA writer, not even the normal rumor-mongerers like Vescey etc. has come forward with a rumor either that has not been based in Voison's claims themselves. And not a peep out of other cities about "being in talks with" etc. If Webber was indeed being shopped, and being shopped so aggressively that a pariah such as Voison was privy to the knowledge, I can virtually guarantee that SOMEBODY else would have caught a whiff of it too. And that it would be big, sensationalistic news. Webber is entirely too high profile a player for other hacks to ignore if his name is being tossed around.

Combined with Voison's unceasing attacks on Webb for years now, it is a very short, and very logical leap over to the obvious conclusion -- that she has stretched the bounds of "stretching the truth" and "innuendo" to the breaking point. Beyond the breaking point actually.

Well SAID!

 

[Lamar_Odom]

there we go again with "team officials aggressively attempted to trade one veteran forward (Chris Webber)."

uh, ok.

Do you have proof that the Kings didn't attempt to trade Webber during the off season?

 

[Heuge]

Do you have proof that the Kings didn't attempt to trade Webber during the off season?

Do you have proof that they did try to trade webber? (aggressively?)

 

[Vlad]

Vlad - some of us just know that Voisin has a deep Psychotic hatred for webber but we just aren't sure why...we still need to find a motive..and more proof. see the problem ...no motive...no real evidence...any cort of law thats would not be enough.....im currently working on a theory that goes like this:

Cweb and Voisin were once (secretly) married when webber was playing for golden state, now when webber went to washington he said that he would take her with him and find her a job at the washington post. now this is where marc stein comes into it - webber moved on and totally forgot about Voisin so she thought she would try her luck at ESPN. At that time Marc stein had some business dealings with David Stern which through no fault of his fell through. Marc stein felt he got "ripped off" by mr stern but knew any confontation would lead to his downfall as david sterns daughter goes out with ESPN editors brothers in laws son. Now the stress and thinking if his days of a sports journalist were over he met Voisin. Voisin being the sly manipulator that she is managed to brainwash stern into thing that webber was the reason for the business dealing going down(because webber was part owner of a night club with david stern and wanted more investment into his club). now after this its still a bit of a blur but lets just put it this way Voisin somhow found a job at the sacbee so when webber ound out he was going to sac town what did he say "Dam no im not going there ,Voisin is there!" - its all makes sense thats why webber initially didnt want to come here!

I see how it all fits together now... This answers a lot of questions

 

[quick dog]

There are Webber-haters, Adelman-haters, and Voisin-haters, and unsupported accusations on all sides don't make much sense to me. I am not emotionally attached to any of the arguments put forth by any of the antagonists. It is possible that Voisin is lying, but it doesn't make sense to me. She would likely be fired for making stuff up. Some notable reporters have been fired recently for plagerism and fraud. Even if people say stuff that seems incredible to me, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were Petrie, I would be looking around for some possible trades involving Webber. That's his job.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

Do you have proof that they did try to trade webber? (aggressively?)

No proof. You just sounded so certain that the Kings didn't do it, I had to wonder.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Well, QD, that doesn't bode well for the 'get rid of Webber' camp. All those agressive trade attempts, and not even a whisper of interest from anyone. Yep, looks like we are stuck with him. Which is good, or bad, depending on your particular point of view.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

There are Webber-haters, Adelman-haters, and Voisin-haters, and unsupported accusations on all sides don't make much sense to me. I am not emotionally attached to any of the arguments put forth by any of the antagonists. It is possible that Voisin is lying, but it doesn't make sense to me. She would likely be fired for making stuff up. Some notable reporters have been fired recently for plagerism and fraud. Even if people say stuff that seems incredible to me, I generally give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were Petrie, I would be looking around for some possible trades involving Webber. That's his job.

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie. Also, her definition of "aggressively" might be different from yours or the rest of the board's.

 

[6th]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie. Also, her definition of "aggressively" might be different from yours or the rest of the board's.

Yes, her definition might be:

Petrie sitting behind his desk thinking, "I wonder if I could trade Webber and get any value for him."

 

[50pts]

Looking at Brick's comments and looking at Viosen acticle which seems to be more along the lines of conspiricy theory. When has management said Webber is being shopped? (aggressively no less)

do you really expect managment just say "yes we are shopping webber".

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie.

Unless its all smoke and mirrors

 

[Bricklayer]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie. Also, her definition of "aggressively" might be different from yours or the rest of the board's.

THERE IS NO SMOKE BEYOND VOISON'S WORDS.

She is trying to create her own smoke. Or smokescreen rather.

BTW Quickie, as I mentioned, she just stretches the truth to the point of breaking, says it was from "a source" etc. There's never anything you can pin on her to fire her. Except of course for the deafening silence from her colleagues both in Sacramento and around the league. For four months Ailene has been the ONLY writer to catch whiff of this desperate effort to unload Webb? Really? If you buy that I've got this darling suspension bridge I would love to sell you.

Compare to the Peja situation, where Artest rumors popped up from multiple sources in Sacto, and popped up in Indiana, and even had Mark Cuban chipping in that he'd heard something. THAT was smoke. There was something there. Voison can be as shrill as she wants, but until some other source starts talking about Webb being shopped she is simply not credible. Wouldn't be credible given the silence even if she were neutral, certainly isn't credible given her extraordinarily well known bias. Its like listening to Kobe about Shaq, or vice versa.

 

[quick dog]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie. Also, her definition of "aggressively" might be different from yours or the rest of the board's.

Yeah, the term "aggressively" may be literary license, if you can call a sports-opinion article by Voisin "literature". I am not sure that it would be possible to "aggresively" pitch Webber anyway. After all, there are few teams which would appear to have any need for a "damaged" Chris Webber, and even fewer that also have the resources to take him off our hands. I suspect that it would be difficult to become "aggressive" with one or two competing team General Managers. Most teams would clearly be out of the flight pattern.

 

[NME]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, quickie.

Sometimes where there's smoke, there's someone blowing it someplace that smoke doesn't belong.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I hate to throw this out there, but didnt legendary journalistic guru Chad Ford say the Kings had been shopping Webb. That's still as close as just Voison's word as you can get, his word doesn't have much in the way of merit...

 

[4cwebb]

I hate to throw this out there, but didnt legendary journalistic guru Chad Ford say the Kings had been shopping Webb. That's still as close as just Voison's word as you can get, his word doesn't have much in the way of merit...

I think the assumption is that Chad Ford quoted "sources in Sacramento", and those "sources" = AV articles.

 

[KA_2]

I think the assumption is that Chad Ford quoted "sources in Sacramento", and those "sources" = AV articles.

Yeah, and that's precisely why some people believe Voison isn't lying. Is Chad Ford suddenly unable to come up with his own sources?

I agree with you to an extent Brick, problem is that you're assuming Ford got his info from Voison. That's just not confirmable in any way. "Reports out of Sacramento" could mean a million things. I could see Voison exaggerating it with the "aggressive" bit, but that's about it. I guess I'm biased because I'm a journalist, and you're not supposed to lie.

 

[LMM]

Do you have proof that the Kings didn't attempt to trade Webber during the off season?

the management may have entertained trades including cwebb, or maybe shopped him around, too.. we'll never know.. but like Brick said:

If Webber was indeed being shopped, and being shopped so aggressively that a pariah such as Voison was privy to the knowledge, I can virtually guarantee that SOMEBODY else would have caught a whiff of it too. And that it would be big, sensationalistic news. Webber is entirely too high profile a player for other hacks to ignore if his name is being tossed around.

 

[vladetomiller]

There is some webb hate and some voisin hate

I can see the voisin hatred coming from the articles she had written before, but if you look at this article alone, i dont see it as that big a deal. Trade rumours do happen all the time and some might be just the journalist's wish, but we have seen so many trades that have happened as per the rumour.

Anyhow why wouldnt the kings want to trade webber and his knee when he has value

 

[vladetomiller]

Come to think of it, maybe Webber missed the GS game so that he can miss the China games. Does anyone know if he travelled with the team. I guess its ok to miss that gruelling trip if you can workout at the comfort of your home.

Maybe they should make Stern travell coach class for those games

 

[allrightythen]

I have never known Voisin to "report" anything, she simply gives her idea of things. It seems like that has always been her format, which does give her quite of bit of freedom in what she can write. Its tough to say she has a problem with Webber or Adelman though if there isn't any motive.

 

[LMM]

Come to think of it, maybe Webber missed the GS game so that he can miss the China games. Does anyone know if he travelled with the team. I guess its ok to miss that gruelling trip if you can workout at the comfort of your home.

Maybe they should make Stern travell coach class for those games

yep, webber traveled with the team to china..

 

[vladetomiller]

oh well there goes my conspiracy theory

 

[Crackerman]

The way I look at it is:

The team may be shopping Webb but nobody is Buying. I personally like Webber and I think when he is healthy he is a great player. The only problem is when you look at the history of Webber you will see that he is too often injured. Since nobody is going to want to pick-up his contract we need to get another PF that can be used as a starter. I do think that Darius has great potential but with still being a softmore in the league I don't think that we can rely on him to get us through the year if Webb's injuries persist. If we are not able to get another PF then the Kings should look at adding another Center, then put Miller in the PF spot as a starter and have Ostertag as the starting center.