UPDATE: Bulls match offer sheet for Zach LaVine (NEW Poll)
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I don't disagree with any of that. There is some uncertainty with Hield due to his late trajectory and whether he can continue with that trajectory against starters. And then there's uncertainty with LaVine and his injury. There's even some uncertainty with Bogs and what he can do totally healthy and rested. None of these guys are proven commodities, imo. Also, none of these guys are in their prime yet, which could portend a fairly big step-up in a few years.
When I add it all up, if the doctors give the green light to LaVine, I'd make him an offer. I'm not smart enough to what that offer should be. I like adding a 3rd "uncertain" but high ceiling two guard to the mix because hopefully we can get at least one very good two guard out of that concoction. If we really luck out we get something more than very good. We might get an All Star.
When I add it all up, if the doctors give the green light to LaVine, I'd make him an offer. I'm not smart enough to what that offer should be. I like adding a 3rd "uncertain" but high ceiling two guard to the mix because hopefully we can get at least one very good two guard out of that concoction. If we really luck out we get something more than very good. We might get an All Star.
Nothing on the market tho? Over a billion dollars of contracts is about to be spent on free agents...
If you don't do anything with your space, it's not like you save it for a rainy day......... it goes to waste....
It also takes player development, which is a key factor for smaller franchises to level the playing field. LaVine is a match with much of this list and certainly has a ton of room for improvement.
He's a young potential appreciating asset, Kings can't have enough of those as far as I can see it.
He's just a few months older than the 21st pick of the 2018 draft, Grayson Allen..........................
If you don't do anything with your space, it's not like you save it for a rainy day......... it goes to waste....
It also takes player development, which is a key factor for smaller franchises to level the playing field. LaVine is a match with much of this list and certainly has a ton of room for improvement.
He's a young potential appreciating asset, Kings can't have enough of those as far as I can see it.
He's just a few months older than the 21st pick of the 2018 draft, Grayson Allen..........................
NBA HOF'er Dikembe Moutumbo didn't even play a game til his mid 20's but these days people think watching a season or 2 of a player in their teens or early 20's provides some definitive trajectory.
I'ma keep repeating this cuz it's my absolute favorite stat from last season; Lou Williams became the oldest player in NBA history to score 20+PPG for the first time at 31 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPL are just out of their minds with these defensive advanced statistics too. LOL What they lack is true context. Flimsy ass stats can't fool me. Put LaVine or any bad defender on the Utah Jazz and their stats will rise. Basketball is a team game, the focus on the individual skews perspectives too often. I blame Michael Jordan tbh.
I'ma keep repeating this cuz it's my absolute favorite stat from last season; Lou Williams became the oldest player in NBA history to score 20+PPG for the first time at 31 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPL are just out of their minds with these defensive advanced statistics too. LOL What they lack is true context. Flimsy ass stats can't fool me. Put LaVine or any bad defender on the Utah Jazz and their stats will rise. Basketball is a team game, the focus on the individual skews perspectives too often. I blame Michael Jordan tbh.
Well its not like he improved a lot as a player. He had more minutes and a little more usage so his box score stats got better as well.
Advanced defensive stats arent the absolute truth, alltough they are a decent indicator. For example the top players in espn drpm are Rudy Gobert, Andre Robinson and Robert Covington ect. When the drpm is bad and the film confirms it, then the player is probably bad defensively.
Advanced defensive stats arent the absolute truth, alltough they are a decent indicator. For example the top players in espn drpm are Rudy Gobert, Andre Robinson and Robert Covington ect. When the drpm is bad and the film confirms it, then the player is probably bad defensively.
Picking two complete outliers like Dikembe and Lou Williams is a pretty flimsy argument. In that case we should have held on to Stauaskas in case he became the 2nd ever 31 year old to score 20ppg for the first time.
Stats don't always tell the whole story but they don't lie either. Take a look at the top DRPM players in the league
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM
One thing about defensive statistics is that they weigh heavier for big men but you can see that pretty much all these players are considered top notch defenders. You won't find a King who played full time on the list until you get to Koufos at the 123rd spot. You won't find Lavine until you're a few hundred players deep. These lists don't have good defenders at the bottom. Basketball is obviously a team game so if you want to compare him against his own team, go ahead. He's still going to be near the bottom of that list as well.
People tend to rely on their eye too much when evaluating defense. A player like Bogie had defensive moments where he trapped and ball hawked guys and looked extremely impressive. That sticks out in peoples minds and they wind up thinking that Bogie is a good defender but if you pay attention to him over the course of a year, he was below average. It's just that his impressive plays stick in your brain and his bad plays don't register as memories.
I don't know of a single good team out there that has bad advanced stats and I don't know of a bad team that has good advanced stats. They aren't 100% foolproof but they don't lie.
Stats don't always tell the whole story but they don't lie either. Take a look at the top DRPM players in the league
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM
One thing about defensive statistics is that they weigh heavier for big men but you can see that pretty much all these players are considered top notch defenders. You won't find a King who played full time on the list until you get to Koufos at the 123rd spot. You won't find Lavine until you're a few hundred players deep. These lists don't have good defenders at the bottom. Basketball is obviously a team game so if you want to compare him against his own team, go ahead. He's still going to be near the bottom of that list as well.
People tend to rely on their eye too much when evaluating defense. A player like Bogie had defensive moments where he trapped and ball hawked guys and looked extremely impressive. That sticks out in peoples minds and they wind up thinking that Bogie is a good defender but if you pay attention to him over the course of a year, he was below average. It's just that his impressive plays stick in your brain and his bad plays don't register as memories.
I don't know of a single good team out there that has bad advanced stats and I don't know of a bad team that has good advanced stats. They aren't 100% foolproof but they don't lie.
Larry Bird was what
There's just too many holes in your argument for me to even begin. LOL. the stats are all flawed, they can't account for how players will plug into different systems, they just give you a reading on how they performed in a finite set of circumstances that will never be recreated again.
Let me just ask one question -
Do you think in 200 years the top applied mathematicians are gonna look back at these stats and stand in awe of their accuracy ??? LOL or will they have much better equations and formulas and talk about the early 2000's like they were from the stone age? I'm gonna go with the latter.
There's just too many holes in your argument for me to even begin. LOL. the stats are all flawed, they can't account for how players will plug into different systems, they just give you a reading on how they performed in a finite set of circumstances that will never be recreated again.
Let me just ask one question -
Do you think in 200 years the top applied mathematicians are gonna look back at these stats and stand in awe of their accuracy ??? LOL or will they have much better equations and formulas and talk about the early 2000's like they were from the stone age? I'm gonna go with the latter.
I agree the first priority is SF. But what do you think of this reasoning. Let's say that they are unable to land a good consistent prototypical SF in free agency. Let's say that they could only get an inconsistent SF like a Hezonja who is a 50-50 proposition on whether he can become the prototypical 6'8" SF of the future. Isn't an alternative to get somebody who is 6'5" and can guard many small forwards around the league, but who has a ceiling much higher than just an ok small forward?
Not if it will use up all our cap space and it's long term. We already have 2 6'6" guys that can do that in a pinch in bogie and temple. If you don't see a star sf worth the money, offer a cap flexible contract to a possible stop gap sf so we have space next year. I just think we need to be prudent with our money and using it on another sg isn't worth it for me.
Also looking at bad cobtracts makes me remember how much we wanted to offer max contracts to some of the players who we consider bad contracts now. I'm glad we didn't get Wes Matthew's, nic batum or even Alan crabbe considering their play vs their pay.
Also looking at bad cobtracts makes me remember how much we wanted to offer max contracts to some of the players who we consider bad contracts now. I'm glad we didn't get Wes Matthew's, nic batum or even Alan crabbe considering their play vs their pay.
We are going to have around 40 mil next offseason in cap space and this year we have a nearly full roster as it is, I’m not so worried about cap space this year. LaVine is still young, already a terrific player and without a draft pick next season there’s absolutely no reason to play it cute and safe this offseason. He is another asset at the end of the day and the kings are in asset acquiring mode, given that nobody has jumped off the paper as a cornerstone as of yet and guys are still developing.
