Two on the no-trade list

Mozart

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There were two awesome articles in the Bee with excellent insights into two of our players on the team, Moore and Artest, both of which, I suggest to Geoff Petrie, to add them to the no-trade list that already has Martin.


These two men, Moore and Artest, have character, true character that has been tested in their own unique trials by fire in the lives that they have lived so far. To trade either or both of these guys would be an insane move. I don't know--and don't assume--that Petrie is actively considering the idea of trading them, or either of them; I would hope that he would not consider trading them because of the potential that they both have--both on the court and off the court.


I can relate to both of those men with the trials by fire that they have gone through, like I have in my own life for many years, starting with my wildfire-fighting that I started my working life with way back in the mid-70's, when I would lie about my age (I was a teen in the mid-70's) and join the forest fire fighters) and go fight the good fight.


Artest and Moore are likely to be highly productive on the court for the Kings in the next three years, this year included, as well as contribute significantly to the character, energy and synergy of the team, thanks to what they have gone through and how much they appreciate their being able to settle down in one good place and be productive in their own unique ways.


If Artest's on-court stubbornness can be successfully managed by Theus, I think that the Kings may be wise to keep him and pay him what he's worth after this year; if Artest continues his "hero" habit at the expense of team play on court through the rest of this season, then, ok, trade him.


This team has character, doesn't it? Me likey this!

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As much as I hate to agree, I must. Mikki was definitely not a favorite of mine at the start of the season, but as the team has realized his strengths (and weaknesses) he has proven to be a capable big man on this team. His skills are limited, but he appears to be using them in a way that has really helped. Artest is volatile, but I would be hesitant to trade him at this time. Where else are we going to find his combination of offensive and defensive skills? The jury is still out on the character issue, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Never thought I would read the words character and Ron Artest in a positive light. Whodathunkit.
 
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Artest is one of those guys where there is lots to like. He does good things, he spends loads of time working with the young guys, I like his "screw this we are going to the playoffs" mentality, etc. He also has the very human side of making mistakes. I'd prefer to keep him.
 
Moore is winning many of the Kings' fans heart, but Artest should by no means be on that list. What he has gone through his life does not apply to how he plays on the court. Hes out there for himself to try to prove to the world that he is a Kobe-like player. It is evident and simply kills us at times.
 
I don't agree about Artest. I think our best chance at getting something good in a trade deal is by moving him. And I just don't see him as a building block for the future with the Kings.
 
Artest + Thomas = Good PF + draft picks

That's the only acceptable trade for me now.
Otherwise, let's keep Artest for a while or trade KT for cash and just resign Artest to bigger value through KT's cap space. :D
 
Artest + Thomas = Good PF + draft picks

That's the only acceptable trade for me now.
Otherwise, let's keep Artest for a while or trade KT for cash and just resign Artest to bigger value through KT's cap space. :D

Bibby's as good as gone, too, IMO. Having a PG in Beno that likes to pass and can at least stay in front of his man has done wonders for this team.
 
Meh.. While I don't think Artest is a bad guy to have on the Kings, I don't think his PLAY style helps us much.

Unless he can learn how to pass the ball before holding it for 15 seconds he is on my trade list.

My Current NO TRADE list is ;

Martin - Every team needs a guy like Martin who can slash to the basket, and get to the FT line at will.

Salmons - Tell me a guy in the league coming off the bench who can spot start at 3 different positions, and put up 20ppg 5rpg 5apg and play decent defense who makes less than 5 mil a year. There are no players of this caliber with a contract like that.
 
I love Artest, but unless he's playing with someone like Kobe or LeBron he'll never be willing to defer... so he's probably the guy that should go. A shame though, it's been nice knowing we have an absolute beast on our team that everyone else in the league fears.
 
I don't agree about Artest. I think our best chance at getting something good in a trade deal is by moving him. And I just don't see him as a building block for the future with the Kings.
No, bibby is that best chance. Teams wont offer much for artest, they didnt a couple of years ago so why now? This team shouldnt have a no trade list and im not completely opposed to trading ron, but to say our best chance at getting a good trade is trading ron? Thats isnt the case at all IMHO.
 
Meh.. While I don't think Artest is a bad guy to have on the Kings, I don't think his PLAY style helps us much.

Unless he can learn how to pass the ball before holding it for 15 seconds he is on my trade list.

My Current NO TRADE list is ;

Martin - Every team needs a guy like Martin who can slash to the basket, and get to the FT line at will.

Salmons - Tell me a guy in the league coming off the bench who can spot start at 3 different positions, and put up 20ppg 5rpg 5apg and play decent defense who makes less than 5 mil a year. There are no players of this caliber with a contract like that.
How can you you say artest holds the ball too long and then praise salmons when he holds it maybe even longer? People REALLY exaggerate this "Ron doesnt pass the ball stuff". Bibby is the one with maybe even worse shot selection and salmons has always been a guy who has a hard time passing the ball.

Like is said this current team shouldnt have ANYONE untouchable.
 
No, bibby is that best chance. Teams wont offer much for artest, they didnt a couple of years ago so why now? This team shouldnt have a no trade list and im not completely opposed to trading ron, but to say our best chance at getting a good trade is trading ron? Thats isnt the case at all IMHO.

Ron is healthy and the superior player, and Bibby is coming off a bad year + hurt. So who knows really? Anybody taking Ron has to be a gambler, but a gambler looking for a big payoff.
 
Ron is healthy and the superior player, and Bibby is coming off a bad year + hurt. So who knows really? Anybody taking Ron has to be a gambler, but a gambler looking for a big payoff.
True, bibby did have a bad year but i think Gm's around the league will look at that as somewhat of a fluke especially considering the fact that he played hurt. Artest being crazy is an everyday thing and everyone knows about it, yes it would take a gambler and i think with Dallas really struglling more than they are used too...Cuban might be that guy.

But as of right now the Maloofs love the guy, how much? I dont know but i do know that they arent very eager to move him. If i had to guess bibby would definitely be the one out the door when we get to Febuary.
 
Ron is healthy and the superior player, and Bibby is coming off a bad year + hurt. So who knows really? Anybody taking Ron has to be a gambler, but a gambler looking for a big payoff.

Well, both Bibby and Miller had down years last year. Miller is playing much better. I bet some would buy into the "Mussleman effect" and hope for a better Bibby as well.
 
Yea, what's up with...

This morning's Bee quoted Mikki griping about the coaches. Slow down the bandwagon.


...that? I'm pretty disappointed that Mikki aired out some dirty laundry before at least going to Theus to talk to him.


A number of astute fans in this board have pointed out the young ages of the assistant coaches and, now, this bit with Mikki being disappointed with the coaches (Theus excepted, presumably) is a good clue of the downside of the young assistant coaches.


Mikki better get it squared away with the youngsters. Better yet, bring back Coachie on a consultant basis to help the assistant coaches.

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I don't agree about Artest. I think our best chance at getting something good in a trade deal is by moving him. And I just don't see him as a building block for the future with the Kings.

I'm wtih you on this one VF, this season may be our last shot at getting something for him.
 
True, bibby did have a bad year but i think Gm's around the league will look at that as somewhat of a fluke especially considering the fact that he played hurt. Artest being crazy is an everyday thing and everyone knows about it, yes it would take a gambler and i think with Dallas really struglling more than they are used too...Cuban might be that guy.

But as of right now the Maloofs love the guy, how much? I dont know but i do know that they arent very eager to move him. If i had to guess bibby would definitely be the one out the door when we get to Febuary.

Whether other GM's realize this or not, the bad year and injuries are ammunition in negotiations and they are going to expect a discount.
 
...that? I'm pretty disappointed that Mikki aired out some dirty laundry before at least going to Theus to talk to him.


A number of astute fans in this board have pointed out the young ages of the assistant coaches and, now, this bit with Mikki being disappointed with the coaches (Theus excepted, presumably) is a good clue of the downside of the young assistant coaches.


Mikki better get it squared away with the youngsters. Better yet, bring back Coachie on a consultant basis to help the assistant coaches.

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Those coaches aren't that young, but the thing is they are more experienced than the Musselman staff. I read that article on the Mikki outburst....and its puzzling. If I'm Theus, I sit his butt down or suspend him for 1 game for embarrassing the organization like that. They just win a road game and he's not happy. That does speak volumes about his priorities....unless he comes back and apologizes publicly. Very strange.
 
So the Kings have won against the Nets and the Bucks and we want to put Artest and Miki on the no trade list?

You're kidding, right?:D
 
Moore untradeable? :rolleyes:

I seriously question that Mikki is an integral part of the team.
The coaching staff must have high regards for Mikki too, especially if they let him say whatever he wants about them in the media after games that he's not happy with his performance.:D
 
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