Tropical Island Music Artist Draft - FINIS
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RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Favorite 1b:
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Doing this draft off the top of my head, and I just realized a lot of other artists that I'm probably gonna miss out on. But I need Skynyrd on my list. Very underrated band IMO.
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You low down slimy snake! That was my next pick. I hate this draft, lol. I haven't even made my 5th pick yet and already I'm into my reserves list.
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kingsnation
All-Star
Pick coming..
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
YOU sneaky, no good so and so...(aaaaggggjhhhhh)......THAT was literally MY next pick....ack! well then, that makes this man my next in line:
with my pick I take DANNY ELFMAN.
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/danny-elfman-p4180/biography
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Danny+Elfman
"Danny Elfman (b. 29 May 1953 in Los Angeles, CA) is an American musician and composer.
Danny Elfman was the lead vocalist and creative force behind the Los Angeles-based band Oingo Boingo from 1976 until its breakup in 1995. In addition to Oingo Boingo, he is well known for his work on motion picture soundtracks, particularly through his long-time collaborations with movie producer/director, Tim Burton. He has also composed several tv-show themes, including the Simpsons, Desperate Housewives and Sledge Hammer!. In 2005 he released his first non-movie related classical work "Serenada Schizophrana"."
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Wait...timeout. I don't know enough about Elfman but...
1) ok, he was Oingo Boingo's lead singer but in order to get Oingo Boingo you would need to take the band, not Elfman himself
2) he's a songwriter, but songs he's written don't count unless he also performed them. Has he? If the answer is no there you can retake, or modify the pick /take Oingo Boingo) or whatever.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You sir have just committed a hipster foul.
But since as usual I ignore hipsters, I have to agree he had a lot of great songs.
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kingsnation
All-Star
Alright, couple ways I could go here but I just keep coming back to this band. Their catalog just is irreplaceable to me.
Dave Matthews Band
I didn't become a fan of theirs until around 1999, but I have fallen in love with everything they've done. Perfect mix of rock, jazz and even a little of an R&B/Pop feel.
Here are a few of my favorites..
Dave Matthews Band
I didn't become a fan of theirs until around 1999, but I have fallen in love with everything they've done. Perfect mix of rock, jazz and even a little of an R&B/Pop feel.
Here are a few of my favorites..
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ah, too bad. Wasn't going to take them anytime soon, but had given some thought to them as a mid-late round balancing pickup.
Prophetess
Gallifrayain
He does perform some of his work, I will have to look up when I get home. While I understand I won't get the ones he didn't perform, he did perform quite a few himself.
ok, found examples:
•"Wonka's Welcome Song"
Music by Danny Elfman
Lyrics by John August and Danny Elfman
Vocals Performed by Danny Elfman
•"Mike Teavee"
Music by Danny Elfman
Lyrics by Roald Dahl
Vocals Performed by Danny Elfman
•"The Little Things"
Written by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman
Produced by David Sardy (as Dave Sardy)
Vocals Produced by Trevor Horn
The Music Box Suite” arranged and performed by Danny Elfman specifically for this historic collection
•"Jack's Lament"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman
•"Jack's Obsession"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman, Kerry Katz, Randy Crenshaw, Sherwood Ball,
Debi Durst and Citizens of Halloween
•"Kidnap the Sandy Claws"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by 'Paul Reubens (I)' , Catherine O'Hara and Danny Elfman
•"Making Christmas"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman, Glenn Shadix, Debi Durst, Kerry Katz,
Randy Crenshaw, Sherwood Ball, Greg Proops, Carmen Twillie and Citizens of Halloween
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000384/#Soundtrack (lists some of the ones he's performed)
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In the midst of the "Danny Elfman" question, I am going to put up another bit of a test case with my 5th round pick - Ludwig van Beethoven.
Beethoven. You've probably heard of him. Child piano prodigy who went to the big city (Vienna) and became one of the most well-known musicians and composers of all time. Go to the movies or turn on the TV and you'll still hear his works - a soundtrack search for Beethoven on IMDB gives 535 hits. As a musician he faced one of the greatest challenges possible, as he began to go deaf in his early thirties. By the age of 44, he was no longer able to perform piano in public because of his inability to judge how loudly/softly he was playing, but he continued to conduct for another ten years. The story goes that when he debuted his Ninth (and final) Symphony, he believed it had bombed because he heard only silence when it was done - he had to be turned around to face the audience to see that they were applauding him.
According to the rules, one must have either performed it, or written it and conducted the work in order for it to count. For a good deal of Beethoven's work, there is no doubt of this. However, some of his piano work was written after he retired from public performance; although he could play string instruments and is noted to have privately performed his string quartets, I haven't found any evidence that they were publicly performed, at least by him - and chamber music is rarely conducted. Other works, lieder for instance, are also unlikely to have been publicly "conducted" by him. So I am breaking down his catalog into two bits - the stuff that certainly (or almost certainly) qualifies, and the stuff which is a bit unclear. Brick can have the final say.
Years active: Life: 1770-1827; Composition: 1783-1827; Performance (Piano): 1778-1814; Conducting: <1800-1824
Catalog, Qualifying: 9 Symphonies; 6 Piano Concertos (#s 0-5); 1 Violin Concerto; 5 other works for soloist and orchestra; 8 Overtures; 1 Opera; 7 Piano Trios; 2 Piano Quartets; 7 various pieces of chamber music with piano; 10 Violin Sonatas; 3 Cello Sonatas (pre-1814); 1 Horn Sonata; 27 Piano Sonatas (pre-1814); 21 sets of Variations for piano; 6 sets of Bagatelles for piano (pre-1814); 5 various solo piano works; 8 Choral works, including two Masses; 2 Marches for military band
Catalog, Uncertain: 3 String Trios; 16 String Quartets; 4 String Quintets; 6 various pieces of chamber music for winds; 2 Cello Sonatas (post-1814); 5 Piano Sonatas (post-1814); 1 set of Variations for piano ("Diabelli", post-1814); 3 sets of Bagatelles for piano (post-1814); 327 Lieder/Folk Songs
Landmark songs: Symphony No. 5, Symphony No. 9 ("Ode to Joy"), Piano Sonata No. 8 ("Pathetique"), Piano Sonata No. 14 ("Moonlight"), Missa Solemnis
Song I keep coming back to:
Beethoven. You've probably heard of him. Child piano prodigy who went to the big city (Vienna) and became one of the most well-known musicians and composers of all time. Go to the movies or turn on the TV and you'll still hear his works - a soundtrack search for Beethoven on IMDB gives 535 hits. As a musician he faced one of the greatest challenges possible, as he began to go deaf in his early thirties. By the age of 44, he was no longer able to perform piano in public because of his inability to judge how loudly/softly he was playing, but he continued to conduct for another ten years. The story goes that when he debuted his Ninth (and final) Symphony, he believed it had bombed because he heard only silence when it was done - he had to be turned around to face the audience to see that they were applauding him.
According to the rules, one must have either performed it, or written it and conducted the work in order for it to count. For a good deal of Beethoven's work, there is no doubt of this. However, some of his piano work was written after he retired from public performance; although he could play string instruments and is noted to have privately performed his string quartets, I haven't found any evidence that they were publicly performed, at least by him - and chamber music is rarely conducted. Other works, lieder for instance, are also unlikely to have been publicly "conducted" by him. So I am breaking down his catalog into two bits - the stuff that certainly (or almost certainly) qualifies, and the stuff which is a bit unclear. Brick can have the final say.
Years active: Life: 1770-1827; Composition: 1783-1827; Performance (Piano): 1778-1814; Conducting: <1800-1824
Catalog, Qualifying: 9 Symphonies; 6 Piano Concertos (#s 0-5); 1 Violin Concerto; 5 other works for soloist and orchestra; 8 Overtures; 1 Opera; 7 Piano Trios; 2 Piano Quartets; 7 various pieces of chamber music with piano; 10 Violin Sonatas; 3 Cello Sonatas (pre-1814); 1 Horn Sonata; 27 Piano Sonatas (pre-1814); 21 sets of Variations for piano; 6 sets of Bagatelles for piano (pre-1814); 5 various solo piano works; 8 Choral works, including two Masses; 2 Marches for military band
Catalog, Uncertain: 3 String Trios; 16 String Quartets; 4 String Quintets; 6 various pieces of chamber music for winds; 2 Cello Sonatas (post-1814); 5 Piano Sonatas (post-1814); 1 set of Variations for piano ("Diabelli", post-1814); 3 sets of Bagatelles for piano (post-1814); 327 Lieder/Folk Songs
Landmark songs: Symphony No. 5, Symphony No. 9 ("Ode to Joy"), Piano Sonata No. 8 ("Pathetique"), Piano Sonata No. 14 ("Moonlight"), Missa Solemnis
Song I keep coming back to:
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Beethoven is ok. If some of his stuff was just as a songwriter then technically it doesn't count, although obviosuly I doubt anybody is going to judge things that closely.
Pure songwriters are the problem. People who could have written 50 songs performed by 50 different artists without ever taking the stage themselves. They can't be allowed or the whole draft is turned on its ear. But Beethoven was a composer in the classic sense for most of his time. I may already be regretting allowing classical music in, but if it is, then Bethoven is obviously exactly whot eh rule was designed to allow.
Pure songwriters are the problem. People who could have written 50 songs performed by 50 different artists without ever taking the stage themselves. They can't be allowed or the whole draft is turned on its ear. But Beethoven was a composer in the classic sense for most of his time. I may already be regretting allowing classical music in, but if it is, then Bethoven is obviously exactly whot eh rule was designed to allow.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Tina Turner
Given her life story it was impossible not to root for this lady, but as with a number of other artists, while I was in my classic rock/roots rock/metal youth I could only give her limited credit and had to come back to her after I'd grown up in order to truly appreciate just how much good music she had put out. Interestingly given her American R&B and soul roots, she became an even bigger star in Europe than she did in the U.S.
In case anyone is interested, like the Paul Simon/Simon and Garfunkel split, this pick is of Tina Turner herself, and does not get to include the duo years while Ike was beating the crap out of her.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Wait...timeout. I don't know enough about Elfman but...
1) ok, he was Oingo Boingo's lead singer but in order to get Oingo Boingo you would need to take the band, not Elfman himself
2) he's a songwriter, but songs he's written don't count unless he also performed them. Has he? If the answer is no there you can retake, or modify the pick /take Oingo Boingo) or whatever.[/QUOTE
He does perform some of his work, I will have to look up when I get home. While I understand I won't get the ones he didn't perform, he did perform quite a few himself.
ok, found examples:
•"Wonka's Welcome Song"
Music by Danny Elfman
Lyrics by John August and Danny Elfman
Vocals Performed by Danny Elfman
•"Mike Teavee"
Music by Danny Elfman
Lyrics by Roald Dahl
Vocals Performed by Danny Elfman
•"The Little Things"
Written by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman
Produced by David Sardy (as Dave Sardy)
Vocals Produced by Trevor Horn
The Music Box Suite” arranged and performed by Danny Elfman specifically for this historic collection
•"Jack's Lament"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman
•"Jack's Obsession"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman, Kerry Katz, Randy Crenshaw, Sherwood Ball,
Debi Durst and Citizens of Halloween
•"Kidnap the Sandy Claws"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by 'Paul Reubens (I)' , Catherine O'Hara and Danny Elfman
•"Making Christmas"
(1993) (uncredited)
Music and Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Performed by Danny Elfman, Glenn Shadix, Debi Durst, Kerry Katz,
Randy Crenshaw, Sherwood Ball, Greg Proops, Carmen Twillie and Citizens of Halloween
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000384/#Soundtrack (lists some of the ones he's performed)
Okay. Given we are drafting artists here, the exact details of what he performed or not probably aren't going to come out anyway. If he's done at least some of them, you can take him for whatever he has done.
Jespher
Starter
This was going to be my next pick...Well played
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
kingsnation
All-Star
This was going to be my next pick...Well played
I've been planning that since Marley.
Jespher
Starter
With my 5th round pick, I select:
Nirvana
A perfect supplement to Pearl Jam, Nirvana will give me a harder, grungier sound when I'm in the need for it. Cobain has one of the classic voices that can pierce a hole through your heart, or your head with unrelenting equality. Great, great stuff!
More: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/nirvana-p5034
Nirvana
A perfect supplement to Pearl Jam, Nirvana will give me a harder, grungier sound when I'm in the need for it. Cobain has one of the classic voices that can pierce a hole through your heart, or your head with unrelenting equality. Great, great stuff!
More: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/nirvana-p5034
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
Nirvana is a good pick. For some reason I thought they'd already been taken. I wouldn't have taken them (well, not unless they fell another few rounds and then they would have been under consideration as a value pick), but I do like some of their stuff.
jalfa
Starter
With my 5th round pick, I select:
Nirvana
A perfect supplement to Pearl Jam, Nirvana will give me a harder, grungier sound when I'm in the need for it. Cobain has one of the classic voices that can pierce a hole through your heart, or your head with unrelenting equality. Great, great stuff!
Linked for language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsgMzZl3PI
More: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/nirvana-p5034
That's number 2 (the fact that you picked pearl jam first makes me rather happy, btw).
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uolj
Starter
Just happen to check in on this thread and see that I'm up. I'll save myself (edit: I mean Warhawk) the trouble and make my pick real quick:
Mos Def
I noticed AllMusic.com includes the Blackstar stuff under Mos Def for some reason and I'd love to have that, but if anybody even knows what I'm talking about and objects I'm fine with going without.
Mos Def
I noticed AllMusic.com includes the Blackstar stuff under Mos Def for some reason and I'd love to have that, but if anybody even knows what I'm talking about and objects I'm fine with going without.
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
I know what you're talking about but I don't have an objection. Strangely enough I haven't listened to a whole lot of his stuff, but he is very good without a doubt.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Know nothing about it -- what's the distinction?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
With my 5th round pick, I select:
Nirvana
A perfect supplement to Pearl Jam, Nirvana will give me a harder, grungier sound when I'm in the need for it. Cobain has one of the classic voices that can pierce a hole through your heart, or your head with unrelenting equality. Great, great stuff!
Kinda what I feared as you corner the grunge vote.
That's been one of the big ones sitting out there round after round and I briefly looked at them with my pick, but fact is I never was as high on them as some peeps -- and given their relatively small catalog I couldn't just take them for votes when I have my own sleeper grunge pick(s) still to come who I liked just as much. Still love Teen Spirit though.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
As impartial observer with a knowledge of (and fondness for) all parties involved, it would seem to make sense for this one to work out similarly to the David Bowie/Queen situation in which uolj would basically share the Black Star album in the event someone drafts its other contributor. With just one album released in 1998 (and apparently another one due next year, yay!) and several solo discs before and after, I'd argue that Black Star qualifies more as one album of duets than as a separate group.
But, I'm neither mod, commissioner, nor participant, so that's just my pennies.
EDIT: And to throw in just a couple more pennies, this seems like a good situation in which allmusic.com may not be the best decider in these things. Sure enough, they've got Black Star listed as one of Mos Def's albums, but it doesn't show up at all on the other guy's discography. I'm pretty sure most people agree that it if it's on one, it should be on both.
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dukeswh
Bench
With my 5th round pick, I select:
Nirvana
A perfect supplement to Pearl Jam, Nirvana will give me a harder, grungier sound when I'm in the need for it. Cobain has one of the classic voices that can pierce a hole through your heart, or your head with unrelenting equality. Great, great stuff!
Good pick. Had them on my list.
OMG... lost my post 30 mins in when trying to add a video locked up. grrr.
It's coming.
It's coming.
Wow all the sudden I can barely access the forum... hope this sticks.
My next pick is X.
May be a reach in round 5 but I can't take that chance for a band in my personal top 5. X are John Doe, Exene Cervenka, Billy Zoom and DJ Bonebrake. They were joined for a time by American treasure Dave Alvin who filled in while Zoom took a leave of absence who contributed one of my favorite songs (4th of July) and also with their country/roots oriented side-project The Knitters. While they never achieved mainstream success they are one of the most revered punk bands of all time and while I don't put a lot of stock in these things, Rolling Stone did include their first two albums Los Angeles and Wild Gift in their list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.
My first encounter with X was watching the Decline of the Western Civilization movie when I was 10 or 11. I had been getting in to punk rock and saw this on the shelf at the video store and grabbed it recognizing just about all the other featured bands. X were unlike any other, they didn't dress like "punks", they weren't particularly outrageous or overly obscene, hell they even would stop playing Johnny Hit and Run Paulene for a period of time because they were afraid it encouraged violence in their fans. Guitarist Zoom also stood out to me for his refusal to join the crowd in getting inked up and his cool stage demeanor. Also this is where I was introduced to the acronym FTW and it sure as hell doesn't mean For The Win.
Decline Interview: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
Unlike many of the other bands I was listening to at the time, X wasn't shocking to be shocking but their tales of life in the city were certainly every bit as desperate and compelling and have certainly had more staying power over the years. And while Exene and John's vocals weren't always in perfect harmony the backing section of the band was tight and Zoom's rockabilly based guitar lines stood out from the crowd. They would mature and grow quite a bit throughout their years adding more roots elements to their sound.
Some favorites:
Also: Los Angeles, White Girl, Adult Books, Poor Girl, The New World, See How We Are
My next pick is X.
May be a reach in round 5 but I can't take that chance for a band in my personal top 5. X are John Doe, Exene Cervenka, Billy Zoom and DJ Bonebrake. They were joined for a time by American treasure Dave Alvin who filled in while Zoom took a leave of absence who contributed one of my favorite songs (4th of July) and also with their country/roots oriented side-project The Knitters. While they never achieved mainstream success they are one of the most revered punk bands of all time and while I don't put a lot of stock in these things, Rolling Stone did include their first two albums Los Angeles and Wild Gift in their list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.
My first encounter with X was watching the Decline of the Western Civilization movie when I was 10 or 11. I had been getting in to punk rock and saw this on the shelf at the video store and grabbed it recognizing just about all the other featured bands. X were unlike any other, they didn't dress like "punks", they weren't particularly outrageous or overly obscene, hell they even would stop playing Johnny Hit and Run Paulene for a period of time because they were afraid it encouraged violence in their fans. Guitarist Zoom also stood out to me for his refusal to join the crowd in getting inked up and his cool stage demeanor. Also this is where I was introduced to the acronym FTW and it sure as hell doesn't mean For The Win.
Decline Interview: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
Unlike many of the other bands I was listening to at the time, X wasn't shocking to be shocking but their tales of life in the city were certainly every bit as desperate and compelling and have certainly had more staying power over the years. And while Exene and John's vocals weren't always in perfect harmony the backing section of the band was tight and Zoom's rockabilly based guitar lines stood out from the crowd. They would mature and grow quite a bit throughout their years adding more roots elements to their sound.
Some favorites:
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jalfa
Starter
Okay, so admittedly I had forgotten about these guys, when I originally made my list and remembered them only after my last pick, so I'm rather glad they've come back to me:
The Cure
If only I'd thought of the right words
I could have held on to your heart
If only I'd thought of the right words
I wouldn't be breaking apart
All my pictures of you
My First Album of Theirs: Bloodflowers
Favourite Album: Disintegration
Why I Started Listening: The release of Bloodflowers coincided nicely with my angsty teenage years and when I happened upon a copy of it in a second-hand CD store (back when those still existed), it was kind of a revelation for me. I'm primarily drafting Mr. Smith and company for their later work, as that was what defined me for them, but I must admit, getting their entire catalogue is quite a nice bonus.
The Cure
If only I'd thought of the right words
I could have held on to your heart
If only I'd thought of the right words
I wouldn't be breaking apart
All my pictures of you
My First Album of Theirs: Bloodflowers
Favourite Album: Disintegration
Why I Started Listening: The release of Bloodflowers coincided nicely with my angsty teenage years and when I happened upon a copy of it in a second-hand CD store (back when those still existed), it was kind of a revelation for me. I'm primarily drafting Mr. Smith and company for their later work, as that was what defined me for them, but I must admit, getting their entire catalogue is quite a nice bonus.
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