I really like Biedrens. He would be someone to consider trading for, and I get the impression that with GS no ones unmovable. He's one of the best rebounders in the league. He blocks shots. He's athletic. Good at running the pick & roll. And he's only 23.
It looks like portland is the big winner and Sacramento is the big loser in that deal. We give up the best player in that deal and we dont receive anywhere near the same level of player. Meanwhile portland gets Young for Fernandez straight up?! Ive been seeing alot of trade ideas on this board in which the Kings get royally screwed. Lets see some trades in which the Kings are definitely victorious for a change.One trade I've been throwing around in my head lately...
This is just a basic trade... At first glance, It appears we don't get "full" value for Kmart as we might like as fans, but I like Rudy's game... I think he'd be a good fit next to Evans (He can shoot and defend really well), we get an interior defensive player, and a prospect of a PG that we had quite a few looks at in draft workouts...
Sac Out: KMart, SRod + Brockman or Garcia (I lean towards garcia)
Sac In: rudy fernandez, Dally, Jrue
Philly Out: Thad Young, Dally, Jrue
Philly In: KMart, Cisco or Brock + Srod
Port Out: Rudy Fernandez
Port In: Thad Young
I'm finding myself in a bit of a conflicted state.
Last season I was completely on board with the idea of losing as many games as it would take to better secure a player who could make a difference for this franchise.
My wife stopped watching games with me last season because she just hated to see me rooting for the young guys to play well while ultimately hoping for a team loss.
This year, I've been rooting the team to win every single game, and it has been great. Since Westphal has basically played all the kids, I've been able to root for all the players on the floor, hoping to see improvement in their game/chemistry, and wanting to see the young guys close their opponent out and get that victory.
For all those who were willing to let the Kings fall flat on their faces to secure a better draft spot, Tyreke has stepped up big and vindicated us and that difficult stance we knew was justified last season.
So where does my conflict come in? It has to do with the progression of this team. In my mind, I always felt that this year would be the development year, and next year would be the year we'd be fighting for that 7th/8th seed.
So if we aren't going to make the playoffs this year, shouldn't we still be looking towards securing as good a draft spot as possible? It worked last year, and the odds are that it would work just as effectively for the next draft as well.
I understand that the city of Sacramento needs to find things positive about the Kings, and perhaps since I live in Southern California, I don't get that sense of urgency as much as those who live in the area. Perhaps if we ended up winning 85% of our home games while losing the majority of our road games, it would basically keep the excitement up in Sacramento while helping our draft position.
So as you can see, I'm a bit conflicted. Maybe I'll be rooting that we win all of our home games, plus the 2 road games against the Lakers, and then not be at all disappointed if we don't come away with any more road victories. It's hard, as I loved the win we had over the Jazz in their building, so I guess I wouldn't find myself disappointed if we came away with a tough win.
I think this is why I'm really in favor in making a trade to secure either a star big man, or at the least a defensive big man. If we were able to use some of our pieces to pick up a good big man, I think we'd have a legitimate chance of making a run for the 8th seed this season. Then, I could not only root on the growth of the young guys, but I could also be rooting whole-heartedly for every possible win.
I love the scrap, heart, and hustle of this young team. I was incredibly disappointed in their effort against Memphis, and I don't want to see a repeat of that for the remainder of the season.
But my fear is that we'll heart, hurstle, and scrap and end up 9th or 10th in the West, and miss out by a position or two on a young big man who could really have made a difference for our team.
On the flip side, if we ended up with the 9th seed in the West, perhaps all that winning would help us better secure a quality free agent who could then come in and make the difference for this team.
Ultimately I want that championship, and whatever we have to do to best position ourselves, I want to see done.
I guess the easy answer is just: "Let the young guys play and grow together. The winning and losing will take care of themselves."
But I'm still conflicted. I want the young guys to continue to grow and play with the toughness they've shown, while learning how to win. I also want us to use this season to best position ourselves to secure the talent it takes to become a contender. Perhaps the two goals are not at odds with each other, though I think making a move this season to bring in a good big man would greatly improve our chances for a playoff run this season.
Believe me, you are not alone in all of that. I had always hoped/assumed that we would be in the John Wall sweepstakes this summer. But Tyreke in particular has changed that expectation, and now I fear we are going to be the young scrappy team that tries mightily, falls just short, and therefore misses out on a meaningful draft position + reinforcements. So my calculus has changed. Unless Kevin can come back and somehow screw up our chemistry really good (something I don't want to see happen at this point), or Tyreke gets a major injury (something I want to see even less) waiting for one more draft no longer seems a truly viable option. We scored big in this draft, and so are no longer likely to get into good position to score in the upcoming one. So if we can't score in the draft this season, then I see nowhere to go but up. And so I have been switching gears and looking for things that really will fix us today. Make a major deal, use whatever is not part of the current success (draft pikc, Kenny's ender, Kevin etc.) to get something major to add to the current mix.
If we can't lose enough to help ourselves, maybe we can make a big move that will let us win enough to help ourselves. Given our youth, making the #8 seed is no longer a garbage aspiration of a fading team, but rather the first step up for a young team. We aren't going to do it with the current crew alone. No way are we going to add 30 wins in one season -- one of the biggest percentage leaps in NBA history. But maybe if Geoff can pull a rabbit out of his old motheaten hat...well we probably still don't make it. But at least we don't get stuck at 35 wins having neither threatened for a playoff spot nor earned any decent shot at the stars of the draft. You never want to be caught sitting on that fence. We did what we came to do in the draft and found a star, maybe now its time to start seriously trying to form up the team that will be around him in the future, get some butts back in the seats, and rise from the ashes.
Aldritch and Davis are projected 4th and 5th picks. I don't see us hitting top 10 this year somewhere between 11 and 17.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I would hope to make the playoffs next year. We should be a little bit better through experience and hopefully, by addition. And some of the top teams will be a little bit older and might lose some important pieces. I suspect that the Lakers, if everyone stays healthy, and thats a big if, should be right there at the top of the western division. But, an injury to Kobe and you never know. The suns are overaccheiving right now. They could lose Stoudemire in the offseason. Nash will be another year older.
Next year I see us as one of the young bulls circling the old bull looking for a weakness. And his time will come. And so shall ours.
Don't be too "pessimistic". I think we'll be in the 6th or 7th slot for ping pong balls and if you're lucky you get the #1 pick.
Believe me, you are not alone in all of that. I had always hoped/assumed that we would be in the John Wall sweepstakes this summer. But Tyreke in particular has changed that expectation, and now I fear we are going to be the young scrappy team that tries mightily, falls just short, and therefore misses out on a meaningful draft position + reinforcements. So my calculus has changed. Unless Kevin can come back and somehow screw up our chemistry really good (something I don't want to see happen at this point), or Tyreke gets a major injury (something I want to see even less) waiting for one more draft no longer seems a truly viable option. We scored big in this draft, and so are no longer likely to get into good position to score in the upcoming one. So if we can't score in the draft this season, then I see nowhere to go but up. And so I have been switching gears and looking for things that really will fix us today. Make a major deal, use whatever is not part of the current success (draft pikc, Kenny's ender, Kevin etc.) to get something major to add to the current mix.
If we can't lose enough to help ourselves, maybe we can make a big move that will let us win enough to help ourselves. Given our youth, making the #8 seed is no longer a garbage aspiration of a fading team, but rather the first step up for a young team. We aren't going to do it with the current crew alone. No way are we going to add 30 wins in one season -- one of the biggest percentage leaps in NBA history. But maybe if Geoff can pull a rabbit out of his old motheaten hat...well we probably still don't make it. But at least we don't get stuck at 35 wins having neither threatened for a playoff spot nor earned any decent shot at the stars of the draft. You never want to be caught sitting on that fence. We did what we came to do in the draft and found a star, maybe now its time to start seriously trying to form up the team that will be around him in the future, get some butts back in the seats, and rise from the ashes.
This is by far the most interesting trade imo. Looking at previous NBA champs you have to go all the way back to the Bulls first 3-peat team to find a champ that didn't have an all-star type or former/current dpoy at the 4 or 5. Looking at our roster now maybe JT develops into an all-star talent at the 4 but realistically if he doesn't then we'll have to go out and get one... no easy task. In the end though like you said I doubt Petrie makes this gamble... too much risk at a position where we already have a good, young player.I would be hesitantly in favor of the Kevin/Hawes for Bosh trade this year.
Or you could make a deal for Milicic. He might help, or he might not. He might be a good player trapped in a bad situation. Or, he might be the bad situation.
Biedrins has always been a favorite of mine for the same reasons as stated by rainmaker in an earlier reply in this thread. And he runs the floor well and leaves his ego elsewhere. Maybe Martin + Sean May (after Dec 15) for Biedrins? Hey, I can dream too!!!!![]()
I thought KMart was a good, young player... under contract too?there is no way we can get bosh without losing thompson... just like we couldnt get chris paul without losing evans. anyone who thinks that we can get an all-star and keep all of our young players you guys watch too much tv... its not gonna happen. it doesnt happen...
darko isnt great but he would be a back up center... he wants to play but for whatever reason doesnt. he is an expiring contract and would be traded for with an expiring contract. we lose nothing and we have a bck up center.
I thought KMart was a good, young player... under contract too?
Toronto has less of a chance than we do when it comes to signing big name free agents... they're gonna have to trade their assets for players under contract or draft picks. If they want a young, established stud who's under contract then KMart is their guy. If they decide they'd rather young talent/draft picks then that's another story.he's a 5 year vet with a 10+ million per year contract. he's young but he's more or less fully developed...
I think our best position will be 9th behind these guys. Then we we are right in the same range with 8 other teams. I am sticking with 11-17
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I'll go with the 6th to 10th slot for ping pong balls. I think at the end of January we'll have a much better idea. The schedule gets tougher, more back to backs, more traveling. To me, the schedule so far has been absolutely ideal from a coach's viewpoint. Lots of practice time. Few back to backs. Also, I don't think Kevin returning is going to make this team any better. If anything, it's going to be a negative because of differerent roles for guys and reduced playing time.
Let's be honest my friends.. KMart + Hawes for Bosh isn't happening. They don't want another wussy big "skilled" big man. They already have Bargani to fill that slot. I suspect they'll want JT + Kmart + a future first (we can probably protect this year) or substitute the 1st for K9 and we'd have to take marcus banks or someone like that in return. It won't be cheap to get Bosh, but I think it'll be worth it for the Bosh + Evans combo.
Getting us a backup center now puts us in contention mediocrity central, the exact place you don't want to be. If Petrie can parlay Beno, Noc, Martin and the FA$ into getting a legit star - preferably a big man - I'm all for it. But teams don't just give up promising young big men unless they are loaded with the them, and the last time I looked no team in the NBA is overloaded with promising big men. Bosh is out. Too risky. Okafor is a good player, but certainly not a defensive stopper. He would elevate us to mediocrity central, and that's if we didn't give up one of our bigs. Who in the NBA is desperately wanting either Hawes or Thompson and is willing to give us a young big man who makes us a contender in two to three years time? Nobody.
My biggest fear is not that we won't make a deal, it's that we make a deal that propels us into never-never land of mediocrityville, forever behind the teams like OKC and Portland who took the time to build primarily through the draft, and because they did build through the draft got legit stars, not backup centers.