Trade idea that makes sense....for real!

I really like Biedrens. He would be someone to consider trading for, and I get the impression that with GS no ones unmovable. He's one of the best rebounders in the league. He blocks shots. He's athletic. Good at running the pick & roll. And he's only 23.
 
I really like Biedrens. He would be someone to consider trading for, and I get the impression that with GS no ones unmovable. He's one of the best rebounders in the league. He blocks shots. He's athletic. Good at running the pick & roll. And he's only 23.

Yeah, he is definitely someone to think about. Thing is he might be a little too pricey to trade for right now. I would think the Warriors would want a 1st or Kevin Martin or something.
 
Darko is not getting any playing time in New York right now and he is not too happy. I think we could get him for KT and 2nd.
 
One trade I've been throwing around in my head lately...

This is just a basic trade... At first glance, It appears we don't get "full" value for Kmart as we might like as fans, but I like Rudy's game... I think he'd be a good fit next to Evans (He can shoot and defend really well), we get an interior defensive player, and a prospect of a PG that we had quite a few looks at in draft workouts...

Sac Out: KMart, SRod + Brockman or Garcia (I lean towards garcia)
Sac In: rudy fernandez, Dally, Jrue

Philly Out: Thad Young, Dally, Jrue
Philly In: KMart, Cisco or Brock + Srod

Port Out: Rudy Fernandez
Port In: Thad Young
It looks like portland is the big winner and Sacramento is the big loser in that deal. We give up the best player in that deal and we dont receive anywhere near the same level of player. Meanwhile portland gets Young for Fernandez straight up?! Ive been seeing alot of trade ideas on this board in which the Kings get royally screwed. Lets see some trades in which the Kings are definitely victorious for a change.
 
I'm finding myself in a bit of a conflicted state.

Last season I was completely on board with the idea of losing as many games as it would take to better secure a player who could make a difference for this franchise.
My wife stopped watching games with me last season because she just hated to see me rooting for the young guys to play well while ultimately hoping for a team loss.

This year, I've been rooting the team to win every single game, and it has been great. Since Westphal has basically played all the kids, I've been able to root for all the players on the floor, hoping to see improvement in their game/chemistry, and wanting to see the young guys close their opponent out and get that victory.

For all those who were willing to let the Kings fall flat on their faces to secure a better draft spot, Tyreke has stepped up big and vindicated us and that difficult stance we knew was justified last season.

So where does my conflict come in? It has to do with the progression of this team. In my mind, I always felt that this year would be the development year, and next year would be the year we'd be fighting for that 7th/8th seed.
So if we aren't going to make the playoffs this year, shouldn't we still be looking towards securing as good a draft spot as possible? It worked last year, and the odds are that it would work just as effectively for the next draft as well.

I understand that the city of Sacramento needs to find things positive about the Kings, and perhaps since I live in Southern California, I don't get that sense of urgency as much as those who live in the area. Perhaps if we ended up winning 85% of our home games while losing the majority of our road games, it would basically keep the excitement up in Sacramento while helping our draft position.

So as you can see, I'm a bit conflicted. Maybe I'll be rooting that we win all of our home games, plus the 2 road games against the Lakers, and then not be at all disappointed if we don't come away with any more road victories. It's hard, as I loved the win we had over the Jazz in their building, so I guess I wouldn't find myself disappointed if we came away with a tough win.

I think this is why I'm really in favor in making a trade to secure either a star big man, or at the least a defensive big man. If we were able to use some of our pieces to pick up a good big man, I think we'd have a legitimate chance of making a run for the 8th seed this season. Then, I could not only root on the growth of the young guys, but I could also be rooting whole-heartedly for every possible win.

I love the scrap, heart, and hustle of this young team. I was incredibly disappointed in their effort against Memphis, and I don't want to see a repeat of that for the remainder of the season.

But my fear is that we'll heart, hurstle, and scrap and end up 9th or 10th in the West, and miss out by a position or two on a young big man who could really have made a difference for our team.

On the flip side, if we ended up with the 9th seed in the West, perhaps all that winning would help us better secure a quality free agent who could then come in and make the difference for this team.

Ultimately I want that championship, and whatever we have to do to best position ourselves, I want to see done.

I guess the easy answer is just: "Let the young guys play and grow together. The winning and losing will take care of themselves."

But I'm still conflicted. I want the young guys to continue to grow and play with the toughness they've shown, while learning how to win. I also want us to use this season to best position ourselves to secure the talent it takes to become a contender. Perhaps the two goals are not at odds with each other, though I think making a move this season to bring in a good big man would greatly improve our chances for a playoff run this season.
 
I'm finding myself in a bit of a conflicted state.

Last season I was completely on board with the idea of losing as many games as it would take to better secure a player who could make a difference for this franchise.
My wife stopped watching games with me last season because she just hated to see me rooting for the young guys to play well while ultimately hoping for a team loss.

This year, I've been rooting the team to win every single game, and it has been great. Since Westphal has basically played all the kids, I've been able to root for all the players on the floor, hoping to see improvement in their game/chemistry, and wanting to see the young guys close their opponent out and get that victory.

For all those who were willing to let the Kings fall flat on their faces to secure a better draft spot, Tyreke has stepped up big and vindicated us and that difficult stance we knew was justified last season.

So where does my conflict come in? It has to do with the progression of this team. In my mind, I always felt that this year would be the development year, and next year would be the year we'd be fighting for that 7th/8th seed.
So if we aren't going to make the playoffs this year, shouldn't we still be looking towards securing as good a draft spot as possible? It worked last year, and the odds are that it would work just as effectively for the next draft as well.

I understand that the city of Sacramento needs to find things positive about the Kings, and perhaps since I live in Southern California, I don't get that sense of urgency as much as those who live in the area. Perhaps if we ended up winning 85% of our home games while losing the majority of our road games, it would basically keep the excitement up in Sacramento while helping our draft position.

So as you can see, I'm a bit conflicted. Maybe I'll be rooting that we win all of our home games, plus the 2 road games against the Lakers, and then not be at all disappointed if we don't come away with any more road victories. It's hard, as I loved the win we had over the Jazz in their building, so I guess I wouldn't find myself disappointed if we came away with a tough win.

I think this is why I'm really in favor in making a trade to secure either a star big man, or at the least a defensive big man. If we were able to use some of our pieces to pick up a good big man, I think we'd have a legitimate chance of making a run for the 8th seed this season. Then, I could not only root on the growth of the young guys, but I could also be rooting whole-heartedly for every possible win.

I love the scrap, heart, and hustle of this young team. I was incredibly disappointed in their effort against Memphis, and I don't want to see a repeat of that for the remainder of the season.

But my fear is that we'll heart, hurstle, and scrap and end up 9th or 10th in the West, and miss out by a position or two on a young big man who could really have made a difference for our team.

On the flip side, if we ended up with the 9th seed in the West, perhaps all that winning would help us better secure a quality free agent who could then come in and make the difference for this team.

Ultimately I want that championship, and whatever we have to do to best position ourselves, I want to see done.

I guess the easy answer is just: "Let the young guys play and grow together. The winning and losing will take care of themselves."

But I'm still conflicted. I want the young guys to continue to grow and play with the toughness they've shown, while learning how to win. I also want us to use this season to best position ourselves to secure the talent it takes to become a contender. Perhaps the two goals are not at odds with each other, though I think making a move this season to bring in a good big man would greatly improve our chances for a playoff run this season.


Believe me, you are not alone in all of that. I had always hoped/assumed that we would be in the John Wall sweepstakes this summer. But Tyreke in particular has changed that expectation, and now I fear we are going to be the young scrappy team that tries mightily, falls just short, and therefore misses out on a meaningful draft position + reinforcements. So my calculus has changed. Unless Kevin can come back and somehow screw up our chemistry really good (something I don't want to see happen at this point), or Tyreke gets a major injury (something I want to see even less) waiting for one more draft no longer seems a truly viable option. We scored big in this draft, and so are no longer likely to get into good position to score in the upcoming one. So if we can't score in the draft this season, then I see nowhere to go but up. And so I have been switching gears and looking for things that really will fix us today. Make a major deal, use whatever is not part of the current success (draft pikc, Kenny's ender, Kevin etc.) to get something major to add to the current mix.

If we can't lose enough to help ourselves, maybe we can make a big move that will let us win enough to help ourselves. Given our youth, making the #8 seed is no longer a garbage aspiration of a fading team, but rather the first step up for a young team. We aren't going to do it with the current crew alone. No way are we going to add 30 wins in one season -- one of the biggest percentage leaps in NBA history. But maybe if Geoff can pull a rabbit out of his old motheaten hat...well we probably still don't make it. But at least we don't get stuck at 35 wins having neither threatened for a playoff spot nor earned any decent shot at the stars of the draft. You never want to be caught sitting on that fence. We did what we came to do in the draft and found a star, maybe now its time to start seriously trying to form up the team that will be around him in the future, get some butts back in the seats, and rise from the ashes.
 
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Believe me, you are not alone in all of that. I had always hoped/assumed that we would be in the John Wall sweepstakes this summer. But Tyreke in particular has changed that expectation, and now I fear we are going to be the young scrappy team that tries mightily, falls just short, and therefore misses out on a meaningful draft position + reinforcements. So my calculus has changed. Unless Kevin can come back and somehow screw up our chemistry really good (something I don't want to see happen at this point), or Tyreke gets a major injury (something I want to see even less) waiting for one more draft no longer seems a truly viable option. We scored big in this draft, and so are no longer likely to get into good position to score in the upcoming one. So if we can't score in the draft this season, then I see nowhere to go but up. And so I have been switching gears and looking for things that really will fix us today. Make a major deal, use whatever is not part of the current success (draft pikc, Kenny's ender, Kevin etc.) to get something major to add to the current mix.

If we can't lose enough to help ourselves, maybe we can make a big move that will let us win enough to help ourselves. Given our youth, making the #8 seed is no longer a garbage aspiration of a fading team, but rather the first step up for a young team. We aren't going to do it with the current crew alone. No way are we going to add 30 wins in one season -- one of the biggest percentage leaps in NBA history. But maybe if Geoff can pull a rabbit out of his old motheaten hat...well we probably still don't make it. But at least we don't get stuck at 35 wins having neither threatened for a playoff spot nor earned any decent shot at the stars of the draft. You never want to be caught sitting on that fence. We did what we came to do in the draft and found a star, maybe now its time to start seriously trying to form up the team that will be around him in the future, get some butts back in the seats, and rise from the ashes.

I tend to agree with this assessment. I don't believe the team with its current roster can make the playoff's. Hey, I could be wrong. They might surprise me, but I would be stunned if they did. But, add one more piece without removing any pieces of significance, and just maybe we sneak in. It would of course be one of the biggest turnarounds in league history. But hey, why not us?

This coming draft is shaping up to be a pretty deep one. That may be an optimistic opinion on my part. But when you look at last years so called one and done class, it underacheived. Guys like Holiday and DeRozan simply didn't live up to their press clippings. This year, at least so far, the one and doners are surpassing their press clippings. So I think its possible that we can draft in the middle of the first round and still get a very good player. Thats why I would be reluctant to give up the pick. If we give it up, I want something of significant value in return.

Back to the premise of this thread for a moment. We need a center! One of our biggest weaknesses is interior defense, and depth at that position. Apparently there are two guys that could be had, if you believe the rumor mill. Okafor, and Dalembert. Both bring something we need. Defense! One comes with a long contract and the other a shorter one. The main difference between the two as players, is that one knows his limitations and other percieves himself to be more than he is. Thats why I lean toward Okafor. He's young enough to be here a for a while. He could be the difference between getting to the playoff's this year or not.

Or you could make a deal for Milicic. He might help, or he might not. He might be a good player trapped in a bad situation. Or, he might be the bad situation. But, he would only be a short term risk. I tried to watch some of his games, but since their not playing him, its hard to do. Personaly, I'd go for Okafor and I wouldn't give up our 1st this year. That way you can add a fourth big through the draft and not have to put pressure on him to be the franchise saver.

Or there's my play B. We trade Martin to Minny for Kevin Love, Mark Blount and the rights to Ricky Rubio. With one move, we make Gary happy, and aquire more cap space next offseason.:D
 
The real question might just be, "Can the current squad get 20-23 more wins than last year getting the Kings up to the 9th seed in the west or not?" If by Jan-Feb it appears not likely, then the dilemma becomes "short term solution" which may win a few more but doesn't help for next year or longer term, or "long term solution", aka Okafor or a Bosh giving up at least Martin plus but shooting for playoffs this year and second round next year.

Oklahoma is now where the Kings would want to be next year. Likely in playoff this year, have a big time star and a solid core of starters with good bench, they are one team that could very well push one of the top 4-6 teams out of the playoffs this year. Same scenario I see for the Kings next year. But the Kings need a 3rd defensive Big at least and a Big who can score and defend if we give up a Martin.

Biedrins has always been a favorite of mine for the same reasons as stated by rainmaker in an earlier reply in this thread. And he runs the floor well and leaves his ego elsewhere. Maybe Martin + Sean May (after Dec 15) for Biedrins? Hey, I can dream too!!!! ;)
 
Aldritch and Davis are projected 4th and 5th picks. I don't see us hitting top 10 this year somewhere between 11 and 17.

Don't be too "pessimistic". I think we'll be in the 6th or 7th slot for ping pong balls and if you're lucky you get the #1 pick.
 
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I would hope to make the playoffs next year. We should be a little bit better through experience and hopefully, by addition. And some of the top teams will be a little bit older and might lose some important pieces. I suspect that the Lakers, if everyone stays healthy, and thats a big if, should be right there at the top of the western division. But, an injury to Kobe and you never know. The suns are overaccheiving right now. They could lose Stoudemire in the offseason. Nash will be another year older.

Next year I see us as one of the young bulls circling the old bull looking for a weakness. And his time will come. And so shall ours.

Whoaa, nellie! I doubt very much we make the playoffs next year. It just doesn't usually happen that fast after hitting bottom, and I see no extraordinary reason why the Kings will be different, even with a nice trade/FA move. Some teams may be worse like Phoenix and SA, but others will be better like OKC and Portland. What teams do you think we are flat out better than? The only one we've played that I've felt that way so far has been NY. Other than that, no. NJ is going to get a lot better after guys get back from injury. Clipps have a ton of talent and will get Griffin back. Minnesota? Yeah, probably we're better. Memphis? NO. OKC. NO. We've had an incredibly favorable schedule so far. Without poring over the future schedule, that will be changing soon. It always does. Also, we're not going to sneak up on anyone. And then there is payback (like Utah and NJ). We're definitely better than last year, but we were so bad last year we could improve by 50% and still get a top six pick in the draft.
 
We should just force the issue on the Clipps terrible front office and show them a deal that they would think would be too good to be true for Griffin.

I wonder though - if we want a true legit, resigned elite level play big man that's already established... How many would be willing to give up a package of Kmart + Jt/Spence + future first or expiring?
 
Don't be too "pessimistic". I think we'll be in the 6th or 7th slot for ping pong balls and if you're lucky you get the #1 pick.

I think our best position will be 9th behind these guys. Then we we are right in the same range with 8 other teams. I am sticking with 11-17

Philly
Detroit
Golden state
Minnesota
New York
Wasington
Clippers
New Jersey
 
Believe me, you are not alone in all of that. I had always hoped/assumed that we would be in the John Wall sweepstakes this summer. But Tyreke in particular has changed that expectation, and now I fear we are going to be the young scrappy team that tries mightily, falls just short, and therefore misses out on a meaningful draft position + reinforcements. So my calculus has changed. Unless Kevin can come back and somehow screw up our chemistry really good (something I don't want to see happen at this point), or Tyreke gets a major injury (something I want to see even less) waiting for one more draft no longer seems a truly viable option. We scored big in this draft, and so are no longer likely to get into good position to score in the upcoming one. So if we can't score in the draft this season, then I see nowhere to go but up. And so I have been switching gears and looking for things that really will fix us today. Make a major deal, use whatever is not part of the current success (draft pikc, Kenny's ender, Kevin etc.) to get something major to add to the current mix.

If we can't lose enough to help ourselves, maybe we can make a big move that will let us win enough to help ourselves. Given our youth, making the #8 seed is no longer a garbage aspiration of a fading team, but rather the first step up for a young team. We aren't going to do it with the current crew alone. No way are we going to add 30 wins in one season -- one of the biggest percentage leaps in NBA history. But maybe if Geoff can pull a rabbit out of his old motheaten hat...well we probably still don't make it. But at least we don't get stuck at 35 wins having neither threatened for a playoff spot nor earned any decent shot at the stars of the draft. You never want to be caught sitting on that fence. We did what we came to do in the draft and found a star, maybe now its time to start seriously trying to form up the team that will be around him in the future, get some butts back in the seats, and rise from the ashes.

That's exactly my sentiment. I don't have any doubts we can win 35 games this year, but unless something magical happens and the Kevin/Tyreke backcourt ends up flowing perfectly together (which I would love to see) I can't see us making the playoffs with this current squad. So I want to see a trade made for that big man we need, as that very well could be the thing that can get us into the playoffs this year.
Especially towards the end of the year if we don't make any moves, it's going to be increasingly harder to root for this team to win if it looks as if we aren't going to make the playoffs. I guess I shouldn't worry about that for a few more months, but it is in the back of my mind.

As for potential trade ideas:

I would be hesitantly in favor of the Kevin/Hawes for Bosh trade this year. The risk would be tremendous so I don't see Geoff pulling that trigger, but if that trade were made I'd applaud Geoff for his willingness to make a big splash to put this team back into contention. (I'd rather have a Chandler type player as a starter in our frontcourt, but Bosh seems to be playing with more toughness this year, so it could work out really well.)

I also agree with bajaden, in that I'd prefer Okafor to Sammy, for the same reasons he listed.

I would completely be on board with the KT for Milicic trade, depending on what other extras the Knicks would want, and with the understanding that the Okafor/Sammy deal for KT was no longer on the table. I wouldn't include a 1st for Milicic, but cash considerations, or possibly a future 2nd round would be acceptable.

Even if we don't manage to get a big man this season, I really hope that we're able to get some value for some of our guys. Nocioni and Beno in particular I'd like to see get moved for youth/big man/small picks/expirings. Beno has been playing fantastic basketball, and we all know that once Kevin gets back there is going to be a minutes crunch. So, I'd rather sell Beno high to free up room for some of our other young players while getting out from under his contract.
For Noc, it's the same thing. We all believe that he could be a very valuable piece to a contending team. The problem is that we need our own guys to develop into a contender before he can help us. I believe that his hustle/gritty play has rubbed off on our players, and I feel confident that our team won't lose that identity with the loss of Nocioni. And let's be honest here, Donte is showing himself to be a real basketball player and his upside is lightyears higher than what Nocioni can bring to our team.

I'm rooting for us to crush the Hornets today. I want to see the young guys continue to hustle and grow, and I want to see a victory. I'm just hoping that when we've only got a month of basketball left, our team will be in a position for me to continue to cheer for them in the same manner.
 
I would be hesitantly in favor of the Kevin/Hawes for Bosh trade this year.
This is by far the most interesting trade imo. Looking at previous NBA champs you have to go all the way back to the Bulls first 3-peat team to find a champ that didn't have an all-star type or former/current dpoy at the 4 or 5. Looking at our roster now maybe JT develops into an all-star talent at the 4 but realistically if he doesn't then we'll have to go out and get one... no easy task. In the end though like you said I doubt Petrie makes this gamble... too much risk at a position where we already have a good, young player.
 
Or you could make a deal for Milicic. He might help, or he might not. He might be a good player trapped in a bad situation. Or, he might be the bad situation.

Well...Detroit wasn't the right situation for him. Orlando was as right as it's ever been, and they didn't want him back too badly - they didn't even make a qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent! Memphis wasn't the right situation. He can't even get off the bench in New York, and they're horrible.

That's four strikes, and in most metaphors you only get three.

I don't care if he's only 24, I would stay far, far, far away from Darko. He's not going to suddenly become a good player for us. I'd rather have KT.
 
Biedrins has always been a favorite of mine for the same reasons as stated by rainmaker in an earlier reply in this thread. And he runs the floor well and leaves his ego elsewhere. Maybe Martin + Sean May (after Dec 15) for Biedrins? Hey, I can dream too!!!! ;)

I don't think we would have to give up that much for Biedrins. I am also a fan of his game and think he would be a good addition for the Kings. However, giving up Martin would be way too much for him IMO.
 
Let's be honest my friends.. KMart + Hawes for Bosh isn't happening. They don't want another wussy big "skilled" big man. They already have Bargani to fill that slot. I suspect they'll want JT + Kmart + a future first (we can probably protect this year) or substitute the 1st for K9 and we'd have to take marcus banks or someone like that in return. It won't be cheap to get Bosh, but I think it'll be worth it for the Bosh + Evans combo.
 
there is no way we can get bosh without losing thompson... just like we couldnt get chris paul without losing evans. anyone who thinks that we can get an all-star and keep all of our young players you guys watch too much tv... its not gonna happen. it doesnt happen...

darko isnt great but he would be a back up center... he wants to play but for whatever reason doesnt. he is an expiring contract and would be traded for with an expiring contract. we lose nothing and we have a bck up center.
 
there is no way we can get bosh without losing thompson... just like we couldnt get chris paul without losing evans. anyone who thinks that we can get an all-star and keep all of our young players you guys watch too much tv... its not gonna happen. it doesnt happen...

darko isnt great but he would be a back up center... he wants to play but for whatever reason doesnt. he is an expiring contract and would be traded for with an expiring contract. we lose nothing and we have a bck up center.
I thought KMart was a good, young player... under contract too?
 
he's a 5 year vet with a 10+ million per year contract. he's young but he's more or less fully developed...
Toronto has less of a chance than we do when it comes to signing big name free agents... they're gonna have to trade their assets for players under contract or draft picks. If they want a young, established stud who's under contract then KMart is their guy. If they decide they'd rather young talent/draft picks then that's another story.
 
Milicic is a bust. He was a bust as soon as Detroit picked him. He lacked the work ethic and was not nowhere skilled enough to make up for his lack of athleticism. He could have changed but he did not have the willpower. i remember going up to Detroit for work and meeting him up at a Serbian party - dude was plastered as all hell talking about booking straight back to Europe as soon as he could. It finally came to fruition - espn and fanball are both reporting that Darko is going back after this season. He's a waste of talent and height. Stay the hell away from him and you'll be much better off.
 
I think our best position will be 9th behind these guys. Then we we are right in the same range with 8 other teams. I am sticking with 11-17

Philly
Detroit
Golden state
Minnesota
New York
Wasington
Clippers
New Jersey

I'll go with the 6th to 10th slot for ping pong balls. I think at the end of January we'll have a much better idea. The schedule gets tougher, more back to backs, more traveling. To me, the schedule so far has been absolutely ideal from a coach's viewpoint. Lots of practice time. Few back to backs. Also, I don't think Kevin returning is going to make this team any better. If anything, it's going to be a negative because of differerent roles for guys and reduced playing time.
 
I'll go with the 6th to 10th slot for ping pong balls. I think at the end of January we'll have a much better idea. The schedule gets tougher, more back to backs, more traveling. To me, the schedule so far has been absolutely ideal from a coach's viewpoint. Lots of practice time. Few back to backs. Also, I don't think Kevin returning is going to make this team any better. If anything, it's going to be a negative because of differerent roles for guys and reduced playing time.


if you go back to some of the prediction threads we were all pretty much in agreement that november was our month... it was the easiest part of the teams schedule this season. thats part of the reason why i didnt care for the games against the knicks and nets... they were "duh, we were supposed to win those games" games...
 
Let's be honest my friends.. KMart + Hawes for Bosh isn't happening. They don't want another wussy big "skilled" big man. They already have Bargani to fill that slot. I suspect they'll want JT + Kmart + a future first (we can probably protect this year) or substitute the 1st for K9 and we'd have to take marcus banks or someone like that in return. It won't be cheap to get Bosh, but I think it'll be worth it for the Bosh + Evans combo.

This may seem a bit crazy, but the 'Reke - Bosh combo is so enticing to me I would be tempted to tell the Raptors front office this: 'Reke is off the table, but after that, put together any combination of our players that you like and a salary total that works and then give us a call. This would be especially enticing if there were a way to secure Bosh after this season.

This would give us the 'Reke - Bosh tandem for perhaps 6-7 years and enough players left on our roster once Toronto takes whomever the choose to be a very good team - perhaps even great, for years to come.
 
Getting us a backup center now puts us in contention mediocrity central, the exact place you don't want to be. If Petrie can parlay Beno, Noc, Martin and the FA$ into getting a legit star - preferably a big man - I'm all for it. But teams don't just give up promising young big men unless they are loaded with the them, and the last time I looked no team in the NBA is overloaded with promising big men. Bosh is out. Too risky. Okafor is a good player, but certainly not a defensive stopper. He would elevate us to mediocrity central, and that's if we didn't give up one of our bigs. Who in the NBA is desperately wanting either Hawes or Thompson and is willing to give us a young big man who makes us a contender in two to three years time? Nobody.

My biggest fear is not that we won't make a deal, it's that we make a deal that propels us into never-never land of mediocrityville, forever behind the teams like OKC and Portland who took the time to build primarily through the draft, and because they did build through the draft got legit stars, not backup centers.
 
In my opinion there comes a time where you draw a circle around the players you want as your core. Totally developed or not. Thats the group you want to move forward with. The only changes to that group are additions not subtractions.. So lets say that right now the core group is Evans, Thompson, Hawes, Casspi, Greene, and Martin. Everyone else has value, but they're considered additions. Additions can be changed for better fits or because of duplicity.

So unless an absolute no brainer we win deal comes up, we don't touch the core group. For instance. I would love to have Bosh. OK, if they're willing to trade Bosh straight across for Thompson, which of course doesn't work financialy, I'm all for it. We lose a PF, but we gain a better PF. But to trade Thompson and lets say Martin, or Evans, for Bosh. Hell no! You lose more than you gain. I like Bosh, but he's not Dwight Howard, and he probably never will be. Plus you have no guarantee he'll resign with us. I'd rather trade KT and change for Boozer. he can score just as many points as Bosh and probably grab as many boards. At least if he walks you haven't lost that much. We need to find ways to add to the group we have right now without damaging the core group and the chemistry.

Just my opinion. If it isn't broke don't fix it, right? Well this team isn't broke, but it does have a couple of holes. Lets just try and fix those.
 
Getting us a backup center now puts us in contention mediocrity central, the exact place you don't want to be. If Petrie can parlay Beno, Noc, Martin and the FA$ into getting a legit star - preferably a big man - I'm all for it. But teams don't just give up promising young big men unless they are loaded with the them, and the last time I looked no team in the NBA is overloaded with promising big men. Bosh is out. Too risky. Okafor is a good player, but certainly not a defensive stopper. He would elevate us to mediocrity central, and that's if we didn't give up one of our bigs. Who in the NBA is desperately wanting either Hawes or Thompson and is willing to give us a young big man who makes us a contender in two to three years time? Nobody.

My biggest fear is not that we won't make a deal, it's that we make a deal that propels us into never-never land of mediocrityville, forever behind the teams like OKC and Portland who took the time to build primarily through the draft, and because they did build through the draft got legit stars, not backup centers.


thats why teams always take risks on bust type players like darko and kwame.... no one is going to give away an all-star bigman for garbage unless its purely financial... or an under the table agreement... like the pau gasol trade. it was a bit of both...

bosh is good but is he good enough to put us over the top with the remaining roster? i dont think so. we would have to somehow get him here for free for that to work out. a front court of bosh and hawes doesnt sound that great... bosh/chandler on the other hand.... or even bosh/okafor... but bosh/hawes or even bosh/thompson doesnt sound like a title contending front court...

its why the spurs have been good for so long, duncan was the man... they just need a center who could hold his own and play scrappy basketball.... the 2nd best center that duncan ever played with was rasho.... robinson was amazing... but after that it was garbage that we would never want on the kings yet they still won 2 more championships... one with rasho and one with nazr...

bosh is good but he isnt duncan good... he cant carry hawes the way duncan carried rasho. bosh cant even carry bargnani who is a better version of hawes.... i know it wouldnt work playing bosh/thompson, it didnt work with villanueva... it was the same type of situation. you can only get away with not having a center if you have freakish athleticism like amare(offense) or ben wallace(defense)... thompson has neither. bosh is his ceiling as a player, if he gets to that level he wouldve overachieved his development. we would still need a real center in order to make that work. evans isnt good enough to overcome that lack of talent because that isnt a talent that he brings to the table.

our defense would be just as bad with bosh as it is now without him.... our offense would be much better, bosh is better than thompson... but thats about it. we would be 1st round exit more often than not. but never title contenders... this is where i always thought that kg was kinda overrated. he had the heart but he was never as good as duncan or even our own chris webber. i couldnt see kg doing what webber did with this team. the big 3 in boston are all pretty equal in overall talent. pierce is as good of a sf as allen is a sg and as good as kg is a pf. top 5 at their position but never number 1....

bosh(with all of his talent) isnt even top 5 at his position... oddly enough martin(with all his shortcomings) is top 5 at his. we would still need one more move after getting bosh to make the bosh trade the correct move to make.

using boston as another example....

on draft night when they traded for allen everyone thought that the celtics would be a good team but we all knew that allen and pierce wouldnt be enough. their team was still too young, they trade jefferson for kg and all of a sudden they are the team to beat after only winning 18 games the season before. bosh isnt enough to be that one move. pau gasol was good enough to be that one move not because he is that much better than bosh but because kobe is that much better than everyone else. they went from first round exit to the finals in one, well 2 trades... the ariza/cook trade helped a lot the 2nd time(against the magic because kg was hurt) around.

we would need another move and drafting another young player isnt that move. he would have to be a veteran... makes me want to go on realgm right now... but with bosh being a ufa this offsaeason it would be hard to figure out what we can and cant afford next year....
 
okay so i hit up realgm trade machine... for the low, low cost of martin/thompson/thomas/#1 pick we would get bosh and thabeet...

kings trade
martin/thompson/thomas/#1 pick
kings receive
bosh/thabeet

raptors trade
bosh/evans
raptors receive
martin/thomas/future #1 pick

grizzlies trade
thabeet
grizzlies receive
thompson/evans

it makes sense for all teams except the raptors unless they are sure that they couldnt resign bosh. though their team would be pretty offensively savvy... with calderon/martin/hedo/johnson/bargnani and would have a nice bench with derozan/jack/rasho/bellinelli.
 
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