Trade for Rondo??

[Hadlowe]

The problem right now is that other point guards are lighting us up. We need both those things that you mentioned but it's also possible that we end up needing a point guard too if GV continues to be unable to stop anyone.

There are two ways to become a good defensive team. 1) You have very good inside defense and tell your perimeter to chase guys off the three point line. This results in a lot of long 2's, which is an inefficient way to score the ball; 2) you have very good perimeter D and swarm the middle on post-ups.

Right now we have neither. Cousins is the future of the franchise, so you kind of have to operate on the assumption that you are always going to have middling defense in the paint at best. This means you have to have speed and length to defend the perimeter.

Assuming Rondo comes back healthy, he would be a great step in the right direction as far as starting to defend the perimeter well. I love IT and he has played tremendously this season, but I would trade IT for Rondo in a heartbeat.

 

[Sac.Kings]

There are two ways to become a good defensive team. 1) You have very good inside defense and tell your perimeter to chase guys off the three point line. This results in a lot of long 2's, which is an inefficient way to score the ball; 2) you have very good perimeter D and swarm the middle on post-ups.

Right now we have neither. Cousins is the future of the franchise, so you kind of have to operate on the assumption that you are always going to have middling defense in the paint at best. This means you have to have speed and length to defend the perimeter.

Assuming Rondo comes back healthy, he would be a great step in the right direction as far as starting to defend the perimeter well. I love IT and he has played tremendously this season, but I would trade IT for Rondo in a heartbeat.

You and I have exactly the same mindset. Defense doesn't just come from the post. It starts at the perimeter, and Rondo (overrated to anyone or not) is a great defensive player. The Celtics would almost definitely want IT, which would make Ben or Thornton the primary scorer off the bench

 

[hrdboild]

He is those things but he's probably also overrated. He's played almost his entire career next to 2-3 hall-of-famers. Not many all-star, pass first guys can say that. Last year, with kg and pierce declining, his weaknesses were more apparent. Lets see how he does when he's carrying a team on both ends.

Who expects him to carry the team on offense? Maybe Boston does this season, but that's because they're headed for the top of the draft lottery. Part of the reason Rondo is a better fit for this team than a scoring point like Rose or Wall is that he doesn't expect to carry the team on offense. That was the idea with Vasquez wasn't it? Find a PG who wants to facilitate. Rondo is that exactly, but more importantly he's a difference maker on the defensive end. And that's huge. Overrated? It really just depends what you're looking for. He probably is overrated at this point in his career because of all the attention the big 3 attracted. But right now I think people are also forgetting that he was their best player in the playoffs in '09 and in '10. He's a guy who knows how to play his role in a team structure and he consistently steps it up in the playoffs.

Attitude problems aside, Cousins is the first option and he's got the talent to handle that role. McLemore is a finisher. Let's not call him Ray Allen just yet, but he's a similar type of player. He's ideally suited as a third option but he could be a second option provided you have a talented playmaker who can get him the ball and you're one of the better teams in the league defensively. Rondo/McLemore/Cousins would be a good start. That's at least an average offense and a competent defense before you fill out the rest of the roster. You'd still need a defensive role-player in the front-court to take some pressure off of Cousins on that end. And if you want to call yourself a championship contender, you also want a solid second option perimeter scorer at SF. But when you're looking at free agency, it's much easier to convince somebody to be that 3rd piece which makes you a legit contender than it is to bring in a second star when you're in the middle of your 8th consecutive losing season.

 

[upinsmoke]

Boston trading Rondo for IT? Never in this world. If they put him on the block they can AT LEAST get a 1st rounder.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Boston trading Rondo for IT? Never in this world. If they put him on the block they can AT LEAST get a 1st rounder.

true to that, maybe Avery Bradley is much possible to acquire from them.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

At this point, I think I am content with what I see from IT, and don't want us to trade him.

 

[randymoss1881]

I would only trade rondo if it's at draft night and it's our 1st and a player (maybe outlaw). DMC and bens FG% would go up will adding a defender. Also I don't care who you are surrounded by when you average 15points-5.5boards-9.4assits you are a superstar. That last playoff run he had was out if this world you need players who step up in the playoffs like that.

 

[Fear the Putin]

I can't believe some of you are so opposed to rondo. Yea, he might not have the greatest of attitudes, but I think we just extended one for $64 million or so. Plus, cousins is close friends with rondo, which helps dramatically.

Now, to get to the player rondo is. You instantly develop a defensive minded pg that can completely break defenses down to a tee. I mean he can single handedly have defenses scrambling. Vasquez is a very good passer, but he is limited due to his average athleticism and can't really make up with it as he isn't the quickest of guys either.
Rondo is a game changer, plain and simple. Just look at how he was playing prior to the injury? Let alone the playoffs in the years past. As someone mentioned, he raises his game exponentially when the heat turns on.

Cons. Not the greatest shooter and struggles from the line for a point guard. Had some run ins with ray Allen apparently and is known to make his voice heard ala cousins.

In the end though, the guy will make this team better both defensively and offensively through the multitude of opportunities he creates for others. Plus, he makes $13 mil next year and then his contract expires, so you're not handicapped if things go south.

Now, what would you get rid for him? Cousins obviously is out of the question. Next in line is McLemore who is untouchable because he would pretty much flourish with rondo. Everyone else? Open season Boston, pick and choose.

 

[Glenn]

We have nothing of value no matter how many players you bundle together to get Rondo. We have bad players and they would be bad for any team who acquired them. I don't think the trade would happen.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I can't believe some of you are so opposed to rondo. Yea, he might not have the greatest of attitudes, but I think we just extended one for $64 million or so. Plus, cousins is close friends with rondo, which helps dramatically.

Now, to get to the player rondo is. You instantly develop a defensive minded pg that can completely break defenses down to a tee. I mean he can single handedly have defenses scrambling. Vasquez is a very good passer, but he is limited due to his average athleticism and can't really make up with it as he isn't the quickest of guys either.
Rondo is a game changer, plain and simple. Just look at how he was playing prior to the injury? Let alone the playoffs in the years past. As someone mentioned, he raises his game exponentially when the heat turns on.

Cons. Not the greatest shooter and struggles from the line for a point guard. Had some run ins with ray Allen apparently and is known to make his voice heard ala cousins.

In the end though, the guy will make this team better both defensively and offensively through the multitude of opportunities he creates for others. Plus, he makes $13 mil next year and then his contract expires, so you're not handicapped if things go south.

Now, what would you get rid for him? Cousins obviously is out of the question. Next in line is McLemore who is untouchable because he would pretty much flourish with rondo. Everyone else? Open season Boston, pick and choose.

Outside of Cousins and Ben, I agree, anybody Boston wants is up for grabs. Rondo would instantly make us 10 times more fun to watch, I think some people forget what he was capable of and the talk of being with 3 future hall of famers is pure baloney. There have been many a times when Rondo was the one leading them and not the other way around. I watched these games. His numerous triple doubles don't come by accident. I think he was close to averaging a triple double in a series during the playoffs. That's a baller folks

 

[KingsFanGER]

Yes Rondo is easily in the Top10 of the PG's in the NBA. Boston needs to be utterly stupid to trade a player of this caliber for some bundle of f.e. Marcus Thornton, Jason Thompson. Right now those guys would be end-of-rotation-players on a whole bunch of NBA-Teams.

 

[Mass]

I don't care about Rondo, right now there are 2 players that could be available and that would be perfect for us: Evan Turner and Omer Asik. I'd like to see PDA go after these 2 guys.

 

[TheBadGuy]

I don't care about Rondo, right now there are 2 players that could be available and that would be perfect for us: Evan Turner and Omer Asik. I'd like to see PDA go after these 2 guys.

I doubt the Sixers would give Turner, the guy played great basketball during the last 3 or 4 games.

 

[Bricklayer]

Grevis

Boston trading Rondo for IT? Never in this world. If they put him on the block they can AT LEAST get a 1st rounder.

Oh doubtless. They would want the remainder of our rights in our first as well as one of the PGs, and likely more candy to boot.

 

[Kerry Knoll]

I think it would be pretty sweet if we were able to get Rondo! That would give us the point guard we're severely lacking...

 

[Cold]

Boston will hang up the phone.

 

[Cold]

I don't care about Rondo, right now there are 2 players that could be available and that would be perfect for us: Evan Turner and Omer Asik. I'd like to see PDA go after these 2 guys.

Turner's teammate Thadeus Young is quite a talent. Been playing out of position at 4 but he's better as a 3.

Philly is messing around right now winning a couple games, but when All Star comes around they will activate tank command.

 

[upinsmoke]

 

[hrdboild]

Why not just start an Avery Bradley trade thread instead?

Though I would say Boston is more likely to trade Rondo than Bradley right now. They're more or less starting over and if Bradley can give them anything at all on offense, which he has been in spurts this season, it's easier for them to move Rondo without feeling like they now have a void at that position. It's not like I have any idea what Danny Ainge is thinking, but Rondo has been in trade rumors already for the past couple of years and while he might be happy initially that Boston seems to be handing him the keys to the team, those sorts of mixed rebuild scenarios rarely work out well. (see also -- Bibby's short tenure as the first option in Sacramento)

 

[bajaden]

I don't know, I just don't understand the fascination with Rondo. On a team loaded with scorers, he's a valuable player, but put him on a team with players that can't score the ball, then he becomes average. Other teams don't guard him on the perimeter because he's shot around 25% from the three for his career, so he's not a floor spacer, but he is a player whose defender can double down on Cousins. Not to mention he's making around 13 mil this year and almost 14 mil next year. That would mean we'd have around 26/27 mil tied up in two players in Cousins and Rondo. If so, both those players better be huge impact players.

Aside from that, what we need is a good defensive PF to put next to Cousins, and a solid SF. What we don't have an urgent need for, is another PG.

 

[Cold]

Boston is not trading rondo for anything less than a top 6 pick IMO.

 

[Cold]

But I rather have marcus smart than rondo. Better shot mechanics, similar defense, similar court vision, and 3 years of rookie wage. Makes a lot more sense for a team still missing multiple pieces.

 

[Sac.Kings]

But I rather have marcus smart than rondo. Better shot mechanics, similar defense, similar court vision, and 3 years of rookie wage. Makes a lot more sense for a team still missing multiple pieces.

There is no guarantee that we get Smart. That's the problem.

 

[Cold]

There is no guarantee that we get Smart. That's the problem.

I was just playing the scenario if we had the 6th pick.

 

[The_Jamal]

I don't know, I just don't understand the fascination with Rondo. On a team loaded with scorers, he's a valuable player, but put him on a team with players that can't score the ball, then he becomes average. Other teams don't guard him on the perimeter because he's shot around 25% from the three for his career, so he's not a floor spacer, but he is a player whose defender can double down on Cousins. Not to mention he's making around 13 mil this year and almost 14 mil next year. That would mean we'd have around 26/27 mil tied up in two players in Cousins and Rondo. If so, both those players better be huge impact players.

Aside from that, what we need is a good defensive PF to put next to Cousins, and a solid SF. What we don't have an urgent need for, is another PG.

He's the most overrated PG in the league. And we still have yet to see what impact he can have without 3 HoF running mates with him.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I was just playing the scenario if we had the 6th pick.

I understand. Even still, the unknown in this draft is who is going to get picked where. The top 5 or 6 or so are all so good you could make a case for any one of them to go #1. It's a great problem to have. If by some miracle Williams plays to his potential, but we continue to lose, get a top 5 pick and sign a free agent or two (possibly trade), we are looking right as rain then. I think that is the vision the front office sees (minus the miracle of Williams, of course). I, for one, am looking forward to Williams playing. If we can get his effort and consistency up, we would absolutely steal this trade. Fingers crossed!

 

[Sac.Kings]

He's the most overrated PG in the league. And we still have yet to see what impact he can have without 3 HoF running mates with him.

Have you ever seen Rondo play in the playoffs? Or even his statistics from the playoffs? The guy is an outright baller. Overrated? Possibly slightly, but Ray Allen doesn't get all those open shots without him, and KG doesn't get in the post or nearly as many easy buckets without him. Averaging 17 points, 9.7 rebounds, and 9.8 assists in one year of the playoffs and an average of 17.3 points and 11.9 assists in his last playoffs is not something many can do. Many times, he has led the Boston Celtics. People say he can't shoot. Well he has won a championship already. Yes, he had the greatest shooter in NBA history alongside him, but it is possible to win one with him as your PG.

 

[Cold]

Rondo is not overrated imo. He was boston's best player in the playoffs. But he does need to be on the right team that has a shooter or two to maximize his impact. Surrounding him wid poor shooters and hes not nearly as impactful.

 

[Cold]

I understand. Even still, the unknown in this draft is who is going to get picked where. The top 5 or 6 or so are all so good you could make a case for any one of them to go #1. It's a great problem to have. If by some miracle Williams plays to his potential, but we continue to lose, get a top 5 pick and sign a free agent or two (possibly trade), we are looking right as rain then. I think that is the vision the front office sees (minus the miracle of Williams, of course). I, for one, am looking forward to Williams playing. If we can get his effort and consistency up, we would absolutely steal this trade. Fingers crossed!

If smart moves up that means one of exum randle wiggins parker imbiid moves down *grins*

 

[Fear the Putin]

For a guy that can't shoot, he wreaks havoc on the floor, both defensively and offensively. He's a game changer, plain and simple.