The Oden question

sc3252

sc3252

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I know I know, huge risk. I was so far against even considering the guy around 2 months ago before the amnesty clause gave everyone tons of cap, but at this point I know we have no chance at signing Nene(12-15 million min), no chance at signing Chandler, and not the best odds of signing Dalembert. Even if we could sign those guys to say 15 million, why would we pay 15 million for a defensive specialist? At least with Oden we could potentially get a franchise player other teams might not risk going for.

Biggest reasons I think we should risk it is our contracts allow for it. Salmons contract is up just when cousins needs to be resigned and we will have plenty of cap for Tyreke when he needs to be resigned. The worst that could happen is we have a Kenny Thompas siting on the side lines, the best we might have a defensive and offensive beast. While I still believe its big risk, I think a big risk would be the smart move at this time frame when our young contracts allow for it.

This is what our contracts look like right now
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
As you can see we have plenty of money to add all our rookies, 7 million for Marcus Thornton, 11 million times 4 years for a fabled Oden contract, which will take us to around 52~ million. Also if worst comes to worse we can amnesty Garcia if we have to pay Thompson/Hickson a bit too much.

Anyone else at this point think its worth the risk!?
 
You mention the best case is we have an offensive beast. What do we do with our scoring heavy roster then? For this reason I don't see the point in getting Oden when you mention a price of 11/year. Having a defensive specialist at 15 that fits better with our team would help more even in your best case, which is a long shot.
 
Uh, in case you haven't heard, Oden has had microfracture on both of his knees, and he's had a shattered knee cap to top it off, and this is all with a whopping 82 total games played in his career with an average of 22 mpg. The Oden that could've been is dead, that upside no longer exists. At best, he's a decent backup big. I question whether he could stay healthy even playing 10-15 mpg, any expectation beyond that is foolish wishful thinking.
 
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spudfan said:
You mention the best case is we have an offensive beast. What do we do with our scoring heavy roster then? For this reason I don't see the point in getting Oden when you mention a price of 11/year. Having a defensive specialist at 15 that fits better with our team would help more even in your best case, which is a long shot.
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Well now, as much as we may be overstocked with offense, if Greg Oden on top of everything else is an offensive beast then you are talking about a player on Dwight Howard's level. You ALWAYS have room for a player on Dwight Howard's level. You just shuffle off some of those more limited one dimesional offensive types you have lying around and instal the two way beast as your center.

Its a little different from bringinig in a pure offensive player where that is what he does -- there is no need for that with us. But Oden looks to be a dominant rebounder and defender, of which you can never have enough. If he can really score too that's gravy.
 
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Vlade4GM said:
Uh, in case you haven't heard, Oden has had microfracture on both of his knees, and he's had a shattered knee cap to top it off, and this is all with a whopping 82 total games played in his career with an average of 22 mpg. The Oden that could've been is dead, that upside no longer exists. At best, he's a decent backup big. I question whether he could stay healthy even playing 10-15 mpg, any expectation beyond that is foolish wishful thinking.
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I am no doctor, so I have no clue where he is at medically. If the doctors said there was no way he could contribute at a 35 minutes a game level I would not want him signed, just like you. If the doctors said he looks fine and there is no reason why he couldn't play for 4 years at 35 minutes a game, then I would rather have him than Dallebert.

Edit: Big reason I created this thread is because I am bored of looking at Chuck Hayes threads... At least with Oden there is still a chance of greatness. We have to hit the cap one way or another, might as well be a long shot with great possibilities.
 
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Oden would be worth a risk, although obviously not at 11 mill per. If he was willing to take 6/7 million for 2/3 years, I don't think it would be a bad deal. He may not accept that, though.

Better yet, I'd be prepared to offer him a more lucrative deal if he was prepared to take it with conditions that he plays so many games per season. Pay as you play type offer. Don't know if that's ever been done in the NBA but it's been done in football (soccer) when injury plagued players are willing to take the risk to get an opportunity with a team.
 
sc3252 said:
I am no doctor, so I have no clue where he is at medically. If the doctors said there was no way he could contribute at a 35 minutes a game level I would not want him signed, just like you. If the doctors said he looks fine and there is no reason why he couldn't play for 4 years at 35 minutes a game, then I would rather have him than Dallebert.

Edit: Big reason I created this thread is because I am bored of looking at Chuck Hayes threads... At least with Oden there is still a chance of greatness. We have to hit the cap one way or another, might as well be a long shot with great possibilities.
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I'm sure the doctors have said, "he's ready" every time he has finished rehabbing, only to wind up getting hurt again. Since the draft, he has barely played and yet he has had three major injuries to his knees, and none of them happened because of a harsh impact or anything like that. The first microfracture was just getting up off the couch, the fractured knee cap happened on a simple jump into the air, and the second microfracture happened a year later when he was still rehabbing the knee cap injury. This was all before he was even 23, his body is just simply not fit to play basketball. How many more major knee injuries does he need before you are convinced of this?
 
Of course the big question with Oden is will he stay healthy? Or, maybe it should be, can he get healthy? He is, or was an enormus talent. I would be willing to offer him a one year contract at 10 mil a year. Take it or leave it. Until he can prove he can stay healthy for one year, I'm not about to offer him a contract beyond a year. The reason I picked 10 million, is because Portland is getting ready to offer him a one year contract for 8 mil a year.
 
bajaden said:
Of course the big question with Oden is will he stay healthy? Or, maybe it should be, can he get healthy? He is, or was an enormus talent. I would be willing to offer him a one year contract at 10 mil a year. Take it or leave it. Until he can prove he can stay healthy for one year, I'm not about to offer him a contract beyond a year. The reason I picked 10 million, is because Portland is getting ready to offer him a one year contract for 8 mil a year.
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At one year there is no reason to even offer him that much. Since the Kings are a young team we will just be paying to show off his talent to the rest of the league. If it was just for one year I would rather just resign Dalembert to 4, and pick up some amnesty players if we could.
 
bajaden said:
Of course the big question with Oden is will he stay healthy? Or, maybe it should be, can he get healthy? He is, or was an enormus talent. I would be willing to offer him a one year contract at 10 mil a year. Take it or leave it. Until he can prove he can stay healthy for one year, I'm not about to offer him a contract beyond a year. The reason I picked 10 million, is because Portland is getting ready to offer him a one year contract for 8 mil a year.
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I was going to mention that. Portland is going going to offer him his qualifying offer of 8/year. So you're not going to be able to get him at any sort of discount.

Now, if Oden's situation was like the Nene situation, where you thought he could rebound in the health department and start stringing together games and playing at a high level, then he's certainly worth 11+ a year. When he's healthy, he's just a dominating presence on the defensive end.

Interestingly enough, Portland is willing to give Oden his qualifying offer, while they are most likely going to amnesty Roy. Does that mean that they have more confidence that Oden will be able to recover his true form than Roy? If they were completely sure Oden was done, they wouldn't tender the qualifying offer.

For that reason alone, I think you have to take a look at Oden, especially if we're unable to re-sign Dalembert.

At the end of the day, I don't think I'd do it. I'd rather give more playing time to Whiteside to see if he can develop into that defensive/shot-blocking counter-part to Cousins. However, if we're struggling to meet the minimum salary, and we're just going to throw money at some players to fill the roster, I might be more receptive to making a run at Oden.
 
Uncia03 said:
I was going to mention that. Portland is going going to offer him his qualifying offer of 8/year. So you're not going to be able to get him at any sort of discount.

Now, if Oden's situation was like the Nene situation, where you thought he could rebound in the health department and start stringing together games and playing at a high level, then he's certainly worth 11+ a year. When he's healthy, he's just a dominating presence on the defensive end.

Interestingly enough, Portland is willing to give Oden his qualifying offer, while they are most likely going to amnesty Roy. Does that mean that they have more confidence that Oden will be able to recover his true form than Roy? If they were completely sure Oden was done, they wouldn't tender the qualifying offer.

For that reason alone, I think you have to take a look at Oden, especially if we're unable to re-sign Dalembert.

At the end of the day, I don't think I'd do it. I'd rather give more playing time to Whiteside to see if he can develop into that defensive/shot-blocking counter-part to Cousins. However, if we're struggling to meet the minimum salary, and we're just going to throw money at some players to fill the roster, I might be more receptive to making a run at Oden.
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They decided on tendering him that QO back in June, so things may have changed since then.
 
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