The Kings and Freeagency:
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I understand all that, and I also agree with your point. Some teams will think exactly the way you described. But its a team by team situation. If your a team that feels its a couple of moves away from being a contender for the playoffs, and your stuck because you have one player thats overpaid for what he producing, you could wait it out, or you could amnesty him, eat his contract and use the space to aquire a difference maker.
There's another rule in the new CBA as well, and thats the Stretch rule. You can cut a player and extend his salary out over two times the current length of his contract plus one year. For instance if you have a player with three years left on his contract at 10 mil a year, or 30 mil in total. You can extend paying that 30 mil over 7 years. I'm assuming that applies to a buyout as well, but I'm not sure.
Bottom line, is that there will be teams that use the amnesty clause. I suspect it will be on middle income players more than the top one's. But from I've read in the Portland newspapers, Roy will more than likely will be waived.
Here's the rule I was referring to:
Stretch provision
• 2005 CBA: By mutual agreement, teams can alter the payment schedule to waived players. The remaining guaranteed salary is applied to the team's salary cap across the remaining years of the player's contract.
• 2011 CBA: The player's remaining salary and his cap hit may be stretched across twice the number of seasons remaining on the contract, plus one (for example, the salary and cap hit for a player waived with two seasons remaining may be stretched across five seasons). This is entirely at the team's discretion, but it applies only to contracts signed under the 2011 CBA.
• Who benefits? Teams with bad contracts. For example, if a team has an underperforming player with one season remaining at $12 million, the team can waive him and stretch his salary across three seasons at $4 million per season. This will help with cash flow and provide $8 million in cap relief for the current season.
There's another rule in the new CBA as well, and thats the Stretch rule. You can cut a player and extend his salary out over two times the current length of his contract plus one year. For instance if you have a player with three years left on his contract at 10 mil a year, or 30 mil in total. You can extend paying that 30 mil over 7 years. I'm assuming that applies to a buyout as well, but I'm not sure.
Bottom line, is that there will be teams that use the amnesty clause. I suspect it will be on middle income players more than the top one's. But from I've read in the Portland newspapers, Roy will more than likely will be waived.
Here's the rule I was referring to:
Stretch provision
• 2005 CBA: By mutual agreement, teams can alter the payment schedule to waived players. The remaining guaranteed salary is applied to the team's salary cap across the remaining years of the player's contract.
• 2011 CBA: The player's remaining salary and his cap hit may be stretched across twice the number of seasons remaining on the contract, plus one (for example, the salary and cap hit for a player waived with two seasons remaining may be stretched across five seasons). This is entirely at the team's discretion, but it applies only to contracts signed under the 2011 CBA.
• Who benefits? Teams with bad contracts. For example, if a team has an underperforming player with one season remaining at $12 million, the team can waive him and stretch his salary across three seasons at $4 million per season. This will help with cash flow and provide $8 million in cap relief for the current season.
I'd like to see the Kings go for Greg Oden or DeAndre Jordan in Free Agency.
I think the likes of Nene, Gasol and Chandler are slim to none in the sense that I don't see them leaving their current clubs or considering the Kings.
I know Oden is high risk, but he's also extremely high reward(i.e. C-Webb in 98.)
Jordan would be a nice flier to land if Oden is deemed TOO risky.
I think the likes of Nene, Gasol and Chandler are slim to none in the sense that I don't see them leaving their current clubs or considering the Kings.
I know Oden is high risk, but he's also extremely high reward(i.e. C-Webb in 98.)
Jordan would be a nice flier to land if Oden is deemed TOO risky.
I just want Dalembert back 
Nice to be playing basketball mind games again.
Nene = has the Petrie skills
Chandler = has the Dalembert traits + is Californian
both are possible. Both will cost huge $$ and may not want to come.
Ak47 is rumored to want to live in L.A. Only two teams there, and one already has Artest and Odom. Is Sac close enough, the way it was for Vlade?
Amnesty bidding system suddenly makes amnesty something we could actually look at. I think we'll stick by our Salmons play because Petrie likes him, but for instance how much does Rashard Lewis have left in the tank? Amnesty Shard + FA Kirilenko platoon, + Donte = huge group of SFs with all bases covered. Then Cisco and Salmons go back to SG where they belong. Behind Thornton? All of which squishes Jimmer out of the rotation...
Meanwhile up front if Daly goes to the Heat, and Chandler is sucked back up by Dallas, is Hayward now an amnesty possibility as replacement? But can he play next to Cousins? And what about Oden? Taking that flyer knowing that Cousins, Hickson and Thompson are all already here, and maybe Whiteside can provide some defense. Alongside our new mega Shard/Kirilenko/Donte SF group?
Nene = has the Petrie skills
Chandler = has the Dalembert traits + is Californian
both are possible. Both will cost huge $$ and may not want to come.
Ak47 is rumored to want to live in L.A. Only two teams there, and one already has Artest and Odom. Is Sac close enough, the way it was for Vlade?
Amnesty bidding system suddenly makes amnesty something we could actually look at. I think we'll stick by our Salmons play because Petrie likes him, but for instance how much does Rashard Lewis have left in the tank? Amnesty Shard + FA Kirilenko platoon, + Donte = huge group of SFs with all bases covered. Then Cisco and Salmons go back to SG where they belong. Behind Thornton? All of which squishes Jimmer out of the rotation...
Meanwhile up front if Daly goes to the Heat, and Chandler is sucked back up by Dallas, is Hayward now an amnesty possibility as replacement? But can he play next to Cousins? And what about Oden? Taking that flyer knowing that Cousins, Hickson and Thompson are all already here, and maybe Whiteside can provide some defense. Alongside our new mega Shard/Kirilenko/Donte SF group?
Those would be the type of players Kings will get and have to overpay for, I am with it. I recently read an article about west only was working out and strengthening his knee, not visiting family, vacations or taking time off. Sucks Sacramento gets a bad rap in the free agent market if people would give it a chance they would love it I.e like Webb did when he got traded.
I have a question about Dally. I know he has not mentioned the Kings in any discussion of the future. Has he mentioned that he wants to go to the Heat? I ask because I want to know the degree of certainty I should give to any discussion of Dally going to the Heat. I understand that he would like to be near his home country.
Another general question: does anyone know a player in his prime who has not been mostly motivated by money? My impression is that the playrs who will go to a team simply to get a ring are at the tail end of their career and Dally is nowhere near that.
The idea behind all this is that I wouldn't count on Dally going elsewhere if we made a good offer. I prefer Chandler but Dally and Cousins are a proven pair that can function together.
Another general question: does anyone know a player in his prime who has not been mostly motivated by money? My impression is that the playrs who will go to a team simply to get a ring are at the tail end of their career and Dally is nowhere near that.
The idea behind all this is that I wouldn't count on Dally going elsewhere if we made a good offer. I prefer Chandler but Dally and Cousins are a proven pair that can function together.
I apologize for not giving you the link, but yes, a few days ago he specifically mentioned that he would like to play for the Heat .. or New York .. or Houston. No mention of Sacramento in that interview.
In reguards to Rashard Lewis .. I'm not a fan. He soft as pooh pooh. Physically and Mentally. If I'm going after a huge SF core, which I AM in favor of .. I like guys like Jeff Green ( who was just terrible in Boston last year ... may be able to get him on the cheap ), Jonas Jerebko, Mbah A Moute, Thad Young, or Earl Clark a bit more. But honestly, with the roster constructed the way it is right now I don't see us targetting a SF unless it is a starting caliber guy like AK. We already have Greene and Honeycutt for depth at that spot.
One other name is Grant Hill. I don't know why he would ever, ever consider coming to Sacramento, but if by some small chance he would consider it .. I'd probly take him after AK. Good defender, good veteran who understands his role ... good guy to have on the team.
In reguards to Rashard Lewis .. I'm not a fan. He soft as pooh pooh. Physically and Mentally. If I'm going after a huge SF core, which I AM in favor of .. I like guys like Jeff Green ( who was just terrible in Boston last year ... may be able to get him on the cheap ), Jonas Jerebko, Mbah A Moute, Thad Young, or Earl Clark a bit more. But honestly, with the roster constructed the way it is right now I don't see us targetting a SF unless it is a starting caliber guy like AK. We already have Greene and Honeycutt for depth at that spot.
One other name is Grant Hill. I don't know why he would ever, ever consider coming to Sacramento, but if by some small chance he would consider it .. I'd probly take him after AK. Good defender, good veteran who understands his role ... good guy to have on the team.
Good question! I read it from top to bottom, and from what I read, I couldn't tell you. All I know is that the amnesty clause, and the stretch rule are in two different parts of the new CBA rules. Of course what were looking at is still a rough draft. I'm sure all these things will be clarified in the final draft.
Note: I just went back and re-read the stretch rule again. It states that the stretch rule can only be used on players signed under the 2011 CBA. Whereas the amnesty clause can only be used on players already under contract, which would be the 2005 CBA. Therefore I would conclude that the stretch rule can not be used on players waived through amnesty.
Note: I just went back and re-read the stretch rule again. It states that the stretch rule can only be used on players signed under the 2011 CBA. Whereas the amnesty clause can only be used on players already under contract, which would be the 2005 CBA. Therefore I would conclude that the stretch rule can not be used on players waived through amnesty.
If the Clippers amnesty Kaman. He will be an intriguing big, who is actually more skilled offensively than Dally and pretty close to Dally's defensive presence. The biggest risk on him would be his health. I also think that Caron Butler is will be an effective vet on this team. But his health is another big question.
In the article I read, Dally mentioned the Heat, but he also mentioned Houston and New York. Miami makes sense from a geographical point of view, and also from a wanting a ring point of view. My gut tells me his not mentioning the Kings has to do with some internal problems. Don't know what they are, but something just doesn't seem right. We can offer him more than any other team because of the Bird rule. But I'm not sure we would go that far. All the Heat can offer is the mid level. Ditto the Knicks.
Houston on the other hand is around 11 million under the cap, and in desperate need of a center. If I had to put my money on where Dally ends up, I'd bet on Houston.
Houston on the other hand is around 11 million under the cap, and in desperate need of a center. If I had to put my money on where Dally ends up, I'd bet on Houston.
He is, but the one thing he can't do, which any non-defensive stud SF of ours is going to have to, is shoot the three ball. Assuming we end up with SOME big center out of free agency, + Cousins, Thompson, Hickson, + Reke...there's just no room or call for a midrange/close in type of SF. We are going to need floor spacers.
He would be a great fit for this team. The ultimate glue guy with length. He is leading the Euroleague in PER but unfortunately it looks like he won't play for the rest of the year
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/90408/180
http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/90408/180
Nice to be playing basketball mind games again.
Nene = has the Petrie skills
Chandler = has the Dalembert traits + is Californian
both are possible. Both will cost huge $$ and may not want to come.
Ak47 is rumored to want to live in L.A. Only two teams there, and one already has Artest and Odom. Is Sac close enough, the way it was for Vlade?
Amnesty bidding system suddenly makes amnesty something we could actually look at. I think we'll stick by our Salmons play because Petrie likes him, but for instance how much does Rashard Lewis have left in the tank? Amnesty Shard + FA Kirilenko platoon, + Donte = huge group of SFs with all bases covered. Then Cisco and Salmons go back to SG where they belong. Behind Thornton? All of which squishes Jimmer out of the rotation...
Meanwhile up front if Daly goes to the Heat, and Chandler is sucked back up by Dallas, is Hayward now an amnesty possibility as replacement? But can he play next to Cousins? And what about Oden? Taking that flyer knowing that Cousins, Hickson and Thompson are all already here, and maybe Whiteside can provide some defense. Alongside our new mega Shard/Kirilenko/Donte SF group?
Nene = has the Petrie skills
Chandler = has the Dalembert traits + is Californian
both are possible. Both will cost huge $$ and may not want to come.
Ak47 is rumored to want to live in L.A. Only two teams there, and one already has Artest and Odom. Is Sac close enough, the way it was for Vlade?
Amnesty bidding system suddenly makes amnesty something we could actually look at. I think we'll stick by our Salmons play because Petrie likes him, but for instance how much does Rashard Lewis have left in the tank? Amnesty Shard + FA Kirilenko platoon, + Donte = huge group of SFs with all bases covered. Then Cisco and Salmons go back to SG where they belong. Behind Thornton? All of which squishes Jimmer out of the rotation...
Meanwhile up front if Daly goes to the Heat, and Chandler is sucked back up by Dallas, is Hayward now an amnesty possibility as replacement? But can he play next to Cousins? And what about Oden? Taking that flyer knowing that Cousins, Hickson and Thompson are all already here, and maybe Whiteside can provide some defense. Alongside our new mega Shard/Kirilenko/Donte SF group?
Now, Oden certainly is an intriguing possibility. We could do worse with our efforts to meet the salary floor than throwing an excessive 1-year deal his direction (maybe with team options/or games played incentives for more years) that makes it too rich for Portland to match.