The Kings and Freeagency:

Free agency and the future

I would rather the Kings JUST reach the minimum payroll THIS SEASON by netting a “player-coach” type for a 1 year contract. The Kings have done an excellent job rebuilding and I'd rather take a 'wait and see' approach then jeopardize hard earned cap room next year, when all kinds of FA options (and a much, much longer FA period) are available. By seeing how the long term pieces fit and not committing this offseason, Petrie can better evaluate team needs in a free agent market that is likelier to address them. So, long story short, I’d target an older player at the end of his career who provides leadership and addresses areas of need: Grant Hill. If for no other reason, Hill can model some great eating habits for Tyreke and Demarcus … But seriously, he’s a 39 year old veteran with serious leadership skills and superior work ethic. Hill also should be at the point where he is willing to come off the bench and mentor youngsters. Perhaps a contender will want to sign him to make a run, but could they offer a cool 9 million for one season?

Maybe the Kings also re-sign Darnel Jackson for a year?

Evans/Fredette/Thomas
Thornton/Garcia/Honeycutt
Salmons/Hill/Greene
Hickson/Jackson
Cousins/Thompson/Whiteside

8 Man Rotation: Evans, Thornton, Fredette, Salmons, Hill, Hickson, Thompson, Cousins

Next off season, the Kings would then re-sign Thompson and Hickson right away, but have plenty of cap space left over to address the small forward spot or even make a run at either Paul or Howard and reconfigure personnel accordingly.
 
Here's part of the PDF from the new CBA referring to amnesty:

Amnesty

Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes. Salary of amnestied players included for purposes of calculating players’ agreed-upon share of BRI.
A modified waiver process will be utilized for players waived pursuant to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap can submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the team that waived him.


The two sentences in red are the one's that got my attention. The way the first one is written, is it possible that a team can use the amnesty clause more than once, but only on players already under contract prior to the new CBA? Such as Salmons this year, and Cisco the next. Not suggesting that, its just an example. Or is it a one time deal only?

The second one is more interesting. Everyone just assumed that players cut under the amnesty rule, could then go to a contending team and sign for the minimun since they were already being paid. But not so! A team has to be under the cap to sign a waived player, and teams that want to sign that player, will have to bid on that player through a waiver system.

For instance, if Orlando wanted to use the amnesty clause on Turkoglu, whose due around 10 mil this next season, only teams under the cap could bid and sign him. That means teams like the Lakers, Mav's, and Heat, etc couldn't bid for his services. In the short term at least, thats going to spread the wealth around.
 
To elaborate further, I just read a report saying that the Lakers are monitoring amnesty, and might be interested in either Baron Davis or Rashard Lewis if either is waived. Well if I'm inturpreting what I posted correctly, the Lakers have no chance at either, since their way over the cap and the luxury cap as well. I'm liking this rule!!
 
I serously doubt it. He is only 25 and still has trade value. Even though we are guard heavy I would make a run at Brandon Roy for a bench and leadership at the least. If he is waived "sam amick" said on twitter teams with cap space can get amnesty players cheap and not let contenders have them. Players waived don't get to pick where they go per new rule.
 
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I serously doubt it. He is only 25 and still has trade value. Even though we are guard heavy I would make a run at Brandon Roy for a bench and leadership at the least. If he is waived "sam amick" said on twitter teams with cap space can get amnesty players cheap and not let contenders have them. Players waived don't get to pick where they go per new rule.
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I think I just posted the new rule 3 posts up.
 
Let's not forget that the Kings were the second worst 3pt shooting team before Marcus Thornton and the ninth worst after Marcus Thornton. Trading Beno for Jimmer and acquiring Salmons addressed that too. Be careful not to suggest SFs for this team that undermine that.

I would rather the Kings JUST reach the minimum payroll THIS SEASON by netting a “player-coach” type for a 1 year contract.
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In my fantasy world, we pick up Baron Davis to fill such a role. He doesn't fit that well with this team, probably not even to those who say that we need a veteran PG, but he's a guy who could coach well. I saw him in LA always yelling at Sebastian Telfair about how to play and just toying with the Chicago Bulls defense last year after he got traded to the Cavaliers.

Let's also not be too eager to overpay Marcus Thornton for what he did in only twenty-seven games in a contract year while being completely against paying Dalembert for what he did in eighty contract year games.
 
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I actually don't hate amnesty implemented this way it won't be a huge punishment for teams who were responsible like what we were thinking would happen.
 
Nice to see more people posting again in Kingsfans. ;)

BTT, I believe Petrie would still go hard for Nene. Sign Thornton. Sign a vet SG. And probably let Whiteside play before deciding to get another bench big mid season if it doesn't work.

If Daniels gets healthy, he could be a good backup SG to balance on defense. Michael Redd or Josh Howard would actually be a good pickup for this team since both Salmons and Garcia can slide in between SG and SF position

PG - Reke/Jimmer/Thomas
SG - Thornton/FA SG.
SF - Salmons/Garcia/Honeycutt
PF - Nene/Hickson
C - Cousin/Thompson/Whiteside
 
bajaden said:
The two sentences in red are the one's that got my attention. The way the first one is written, is it possible that a team can use the amnesty clause more than once, but only on players already under contract prior to the new CBA? Such as Salmons this year, and Cisco the next. Not suggesting that, its just an example. Or is it a one time deal only?
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I believe it is a one-time deal. They didn't say (and haven't ever been saying, to my knowledge) that a team could amnesty one player before EACH season, just one before ANY season. Basically this means that the amnesty option doesn't simply go away if you don't use it now, you keep it in the bag and can use it later. I believe that we might very possibly amnesty Garcia before next season, but not this year.
 
If a team can use a one-time amnesty while the CBA is still active, Kings better not use it on contracts below 10M like Garcia's. This sort of amnesty, IMO, is more useful to correct the mistakes like of Elton Brand(Philly), Arenas(Wizards), and Baron Davis contract (Clippers) deals.
 
KingsCitizen said:
If a team can use a one-time amnesty while the CBA is still active, Kings better not use it on contracts below 10M like Garcia's. This sort of amnesty, IMO, is more useful to correct the mistakes like of Elton Brand(Philly), Arenas(Wizards), and Baron Davis contract (Clippers) deals.
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I am pretty sure that it ONLY applies to players who were already under contract prior to the new CBA. So if you don't have any huge contract already on the payroll, they you are let with using it on a smaller contract or not using it at all.
 
KingsCitizen said:
If a team can use a one-time amnesty while the CBA is still active, Kings better not use it on contracts below 10M like Garcia's. This sort of amnesty, IMO, is more useful to correct the mistakes like of Elton Brand(Philly), Arenas(Wizards), and Baron Davis contract (Clippers) deals.
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It can only be used on players already under contract. The Kings don't have any players that meet your criteria but in the next off season or two it might be useful in terms of Garcia or Salmons.
 
Thanks. In that case, Garcia will likely be the amnesty candidate for the Kings.
But what if no team will submit offers to take on part of Garcia's contract. Will Garcia eventually just become a free agent?
Or will the amnesty be voided and Garcia remains on the team payroll?
 
Hey guys. What are the chances that we sign Peja and Bibby to minimums and let them retire as Kings?

I'd kinda like it if we did that. I mean, both of them are done, so...
 
KingsCitizen said:
Thanks. In that case, Garcia will likely be the amnesty candidate for the Kings.
But what if no team will submit offers to take on part of Garcia's contract. Will Garcia eventually just become a free agent?
Or will the amnesty be voided and Garcia remains on the team payroll?
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The amnesty will not be voided. It just means the Kings will have to pay that salary, although it will still not count against the cap. If the player is picked up on waivers by a system of bidding, then what I understand is that the amount of of winning bid will be covered by the new team, and the remainder will still be paid by the Kings, although not counting against the cap. For example: if they waive Garcia and his 8 mil, the it's poof not against the cap, and if the Celtics bid the highest to pick him up at 6.5 mil, then the Kings must cover the 1.5 mil difference. Pretty good rule for teams like us, imo.
 
If that's the case, I could see Elton Brand as a possibility for the Kings if Philly puts him for amnesty. He could be a good vet big next to Cousin if his price would be around the 10M range. He got only 2 yrs left on his contract which would make it safe acquisition.

Anyway, which would take effect first. Free agent signing? or declaring players for amnesty? I hope it's declaring amnesty players first so there will be a good picture for all available players.
 
There are a coupla players who might become expendable

I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia, Green, or Thompson used in trades for various reasons. Garcia is injured often and doesn't contribute enough. Same goes for Green. Thompson has been very solid at times, but is still inconsistent enough to consider trading as well. I like the rest of our lineup, and I can't wait to see the Reke, Thorton, Jimmer back court operate. It would be great if we could resign Dalembert, as he is a defensive stopper. I think they have to resign Thorton, then make a push for Dally.
 
FaStRmAn said:
I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia, Green, or Thompson used in trades for various reasons. Garcia is injured often and doesn't contribute enough. Same goes for Green. Thompson has been very solid at times, but is still inconsistent enough to consider trading as well. I like the rest of our lineup, and I can't wait to see the Reke, Thorton, Jimmer back court operate. It would be great if we could resign Dalembert, as he is a defensive stopper. I think they have to resign Thorton, then make a push for Dally.
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Greene is never injured.
 
FaStRmAn said:
I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia, Green, or Thompson used in trades for various reasons. Garcia is injured often and doesn't contribute enough. Same goes for Green. Thompson has been very solid at times, but is still inconsistent enough to consider trading as well. I like the rest of our lineup, and I can't wait to see the Reke, Thorton, Jimmer back court operate. It would be great if we could resign Dalembert, as he is a defensive stopper. I think they have to resign Thorton, then make a push for Dally.
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We don't have Willie Green on our team.
 
I just don't see who besides Salmons we could use the amnesty clause on. Maybe Cisco, but he provides so much off the court, and isn't owed as much as Salmons either. It has to be used on a player currently under a contract. A player signed before 7/1/2011. So it won't be used on any rookies or future draft picks, or anyone we would be signing to a new contract, or who signs a contract and we end up trading for.

Salmons and Cisco are the only options on our team. Normally teams don't trade players in their first year or two of a contract, so anyone we trade for currently under contract, would most likely have three or less years on their contract, which means we have three years use it. Doesn't matter is the rule says we can use it once over the life of the CBA. No player has a 6 year contract. We have a bunch of young, relatively cheap players, who we won't use it on. Couldn't use it down the road anyway after extending them. Couldn't use it on a Nene,Dally, Chandler, Thornton, because they'll all sign contracts under the new CBA. I don't see us trading for someone with a year or two left on their contract, without extending them, which negates any opportunity to use the clause on them as well.

We are severely limited on who we can use the clause on. Don't see us using it this year though, especially with the new increased salary floor.
 
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The Maloofs won't use the amnesty. Unless they make some nice splashes in free agency and they are pretty certain that they can attract fans then maybe they'll feel like they can generate enough money to justify amnesting Salmons.
 
rainmaker said:
I just don't see who besides Salmons we could use the amnesty clause on. Maybe Cisco, but he provides so much off the court, and isn't owed as much as Salmons either. It has to be used on a player currently under a contract. A player signed before 7/1/2011. So it won't be used on any rookies or future draft picks, or anyone we would be signing to a new contract, or who signs a contract and we end up trading for.

Salmons and Cisco are the only options on our team. Normally teams don't trade players in their first year or two of a contract, so anyone we trade for currently under contract, would most likely have three or less years on their contract, which means we have three years use it. Doesn't matter is the rule says we can use it once over the life of the CBA. No player has a 6 year contract. We have a bunch of young, relatively cheap players, who we won't use it on. Couldn't use it down the road anyway after extending them. Couldn't use it on a Nene,Dally, Chandler, Thornton, because they'll all sign contracts under the new CBA. I don't see us trading for someone with a year or two left on their contract, without extending them, which negates any opportunity to use the clause on them as well.

We are severely limited on who we can use the clause on. Don't see us using it this year though, especially with the new increased salary floor.
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Don't know if you can use it on players you trade for after new CBA, but were under contract before CBA. That would make it a very easy out to dump salary for teams who could just trade for a make believe "ender" and then waive the guy. Does't the dude have to be on your team right now (or before old CBA expired or something)?
 
Čarolija said:
Kirilenko has been killing it Euroleague this year.
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Oh yes he did !

In his last Euroleague game, he took only 3 shots (2/3) but still managed to have an incredible stat line : 17 points - 9 rebounds - 2 assists - 6 steals - 3 blocks and he totally dominated the game.

I'm not sure if he's interested in coming to Sac but, in my opinion, he would be the perfect forward next to the Kings' scorers (Tyreke, DMC, Thornton).
 
Yeah, Kirilenko is the best fit, but I don't know how likely it is he'll be pursued with Salmons there. Not convinced he would come here either, although I guess there's not a lot to suggest that he's a big market kind of guy. Enough money may do the trick but you don't want to overpay for someone who is on the wrong side of 30. He's the ultimate glue guy and someone who would likely help this team with some added toughness and veteranship.

I think it's more likely we'll resign Thornton at around 5-6 million, and then pursue Gasol, Nene or Chandler (anywhere from 8-10 million) if we can't resign Dally. That still leaves a chunk of cap space but not all would have to be spent. I'm not sure if we would be at the required salary at that point but we wouldn't be far off it, could make a run at another guard (Crawford, Pietrus, Mills) as a backup to meet the requirements and keep the rest of the space until the next off-season, whilst using it in conjunction with the amnesty clause (Salmons or Garcia at that point).
 
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Amnesty for Salmons would be insane. We're below the minimum salary floor and doing so will take us another 8.5 under. Sure we could sign AK for 10m, but we need BOTH of those contracts to get to the floor. Like him or not Salmons can play the SG/SF and even if we sign someone like AK, he's not useless.

That said, I'm not sure why everyone thinks we HAVE to get to the minimum salary. If we stay below the floor, doesn't the extra $$ required just get distributed to the Kings players? If so, that could be a nice way of tossing a little $$ to our young guys "off the books". Maybe that helps when it comes time to resign them. The obvious thing is to overpay a Battier type guy for a year or two
 
I don't think Kings will use the amnesty this year.
If I understand it correctly, under the new CBA, NBA teams HAVE TO match a minimum team salary to 85% of Salary Cap.
This means that Kings HAVE TO spend at least around 49 million dollars.
As bajaden stated, current team salaries add up to 30 million dollars and should be around 40 million dollars once Thornton and the 3 rookies are signed.

If the amnesty is used on Salmons, that would leave 17.5 million dollars to fill.
That means signing 2 or 3 major free agents.

I don't see it happening.
 
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