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OK we posted the same thing at the same time... I am too slow writing english
Good point, I missed that !
The Kings and Freeagency:
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OK we posted the same thing at the same time... I am too slow writing english
Good point, I missed that !
I haven't seen any details on what happens when a team is under the minimum salary, but I'd assume there would be a payment to the league, which would then be given to the union, who would distribute it at will (probably across all players). Just a guess, we'll have to wait for the specifics to come out.
I'm a bit worried that none of the big-name free agents will come our way. Nene apparently likes Denver, and they've got a ton of money to spend too, so they'll probably lock him up on Bird Rights. Memphis has at least said they'd match any offer on Gasol. Chandler seems to want to stay in Dallas, and with the new tax rules not kicking in for two more years, they may be willing to give him the big bucks. We certainly can try to overspend on Dalembert, but he seems heartset on Miami, or Houston, or New York. (One new-ish possibility - Dallas could potentially amnesty Haywood, which would at least give us a cheap shot at a frontcourt player.)
After we sign Thornton, we'll still have to spend probably about $13M. If we can't get a big-name free agent and don't love any of our options remaining, we might want to throw one-year, inflated contracts at middling vets just to meet the floor, in the expectation of spending on Hickson/Thompson/Greene next year.
=LarryLegend=
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worst case atleast sign Thornton and Prince or Battier.
sure Petrie will watch Aaron brooks since he signed with China even though like the other players no NBA out. unless they get released.
Prince or Battier I think would be perfect mentor to Honeycutt.
sure Petrie will watch Aaron brooks since he signed with China even though like the other players no NBA out. unless they get released.
Prince or Battier I think would be perfect mentor to Honeycutt.
=LarryLegend=
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The more I think about it the better chance we have getting Nene he is a unrestricted free agent if you think about it Denver is in really bad shape besides Lawson, Gallo and I think Andre Miller they don't have a team. Kings have to be interesting to him. Jimmer, Thornton, Tyreke, Hickson, Cousins, Salmons and most likely Battier or Prince... Kings are one or two prices away from being back in the playoffs. I think he takes a good look at us.
What about signing David West? Take the chance on his knee? I know he is 31 and not as big of name as Nene or Gasol. But he is a very productive player.
Or what I can really see happen we make trades and take on bigger deals the. We send out.
What about signing David West? Take the chance on his knee? I know he is 31 and not as big of name as Nene or Gasol. But he is a very productive player.
Or what I can really see happen we make trades and take on bigger deals the. We send out.
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bajaden
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Here's an article that expands on that with an interview. He never mentions Sacramento once in the interview, while mentioning New York and Houston. When one considers that he seemed excited to come to Sac originally, and now he doesn't even mention the Kings, there must be something there that he's not in love with. What I find even stranger, is that Dalembert see's himself offensively, different than how most view him. He complained in Philly that he wasn't involved in the offense enough, and had similar comments here at times. My question to him is, do you really think your going to be a large part of the offense in Miami, with Wade, LeBron, and Bosh there?
I think Dalembert is one of those people whose dream is always better than reality. Therefore, his dream is never accheived, and the search goes on.
Anyway, just my opinion. Here's the article:
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bc9Fn
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rainmaker
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Starts with a West and ends with a phal.
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In the past CBA it was split by the players on the team.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I dont blame Dalembert for wanting to leave the Kings. Not one bit.
I can't express how much I believe that early season minutes crunch for our bigs killed us. The only one who played through it well was Cousins. Landry, JT, and Dalembert were all being jerked around in the rotation .. no continuity whatsoever. Once we dealt Landry those 3 played really, realy well. I saw JT make a huge leap defensively towards the end of the season ..
There was one game about a week before the trade deadline where Dalembert didnt play all game till the 4th quarter. This was after starting and playing big minutes for a few weeks. I sent Jason Jones a message on twitter about it and he was also very confused, and thought a Dalember trade was possibly in the works because it made absolutely no sense for him to all of a sudden get taken out of the rotation. We were getting hammerd in the paint too.
More was going on behind the scenes with this team then we thought.
One thing I do know is that Paul Westphal will run this team into the ground if he give him options. It will be Ime Udoka and Luther Head all over again.
Thats why we always played at our best when we had injuries. When Donte Greene knows he is going to play a certain amount of minutes every night he is effective. When Evans went down that shortened the rotation, injected Thornton for Landry and we went on a bit of a run.
That is one of the many reasons why I dont want Marc Gasol or Nene without getting rid of JT or Hickson.
One guy I wouldn't mind taking a chance on is Heywood. If he gets amesty-claused by Dallas and we could pick him up on the cheap I'd go for it because he would be able to play the defensive big man role while not requiring major minutes. If you stick him in the same role as Darnell Jackson played last year ... thats an upgrade.
I still say the best bet via free agency is AK. After that ... I'd much rather make a trade.
I can't express how much I believe that early season minutes crunch for our bigs killed us. The only one who played through it well was Cousins. Landry, JT, and Dalembert were all being jerked around in the rotation .. no continuity whatsoever. Once we dealt Landry those 3 played really, realy well. I saw JT make a huge leap defensively towards the end of the season ..
There was one game about a week before the trade deadline where Dalembert didnt play all game till the 4th quarter. This was after starting and playing big minutes for a few weeks. I sent Jason Jones a message on twitter about it and he was also very confused, and thought a Dalember trade was possibly in the works because it made absolutely no sense for him to all of a sudden get taken out of the rotation. We were getting hammerd in the paint too.
More was going on behind the scenes with this team then we thought.
One thing I do know is that Paul Westphal will run this team into the ground if he give him options. It will be Ime Udoka and Luther Head all over again.
Thats why we always played at our best when we had injuries. When Donte Greene knows he is going to play a certain amount of minutes every night he is effective. When Evans went down that shortened the rotation, injected Thornton for Landry and we went on a bit of a run.
That is one of the many reasons why I dont want Marc Gasol or Nene without getting rid of JT or Hickson.
One guy I wouldn't mind taking a chance on is Heywood. If he gets amesty-claused by Dallas and we could pick him up on the cheap I'd go for it because he would be able to play the defensive big man role while not requiring major minutes. If you stick him in the same role as Darnell Jackson played last year ... thats an upgrade.
I still say the best bet via free agency is AK. After that ... I'd much rather make a trade.
Hallama
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Non-exciting, more realistic Plan B
I think Dalembert is a goner. Only way he comes back is if the Kings offer him the most $ and years, strictly financial. Nene, Gasol, Chandler, and Jordan will most likely stay with their current teams.
Personally, I think the Kings go after Joel Pryz, and I think he's a good fit with Cousins, JJ, and JT.
Another guy they may go after as a risk/reward would be Brendan Wright, hoping he's the type of player that needed a few years to shake off his physical adolescence and grow into more of a man. I think he will be a sleeper in the next few seasons and really help a team...eventually.
I think Dalembert is a goner. Only way he comes back is if the Kings offer him the most $ and years, strictly financial. Nene, Gasol, Chandler, and Jordan will most likely stay with their current teams.
Personally, I think the Kings go after Joel Pryz, and I think he's a good fit with Cousins, JJ, and JT.
Another guy they may go after as a risk/reward would be Brendan Wright, hoping he's the type of player that needed a few years to shake off his physical adolescence and grow into more of a man. I think he will be a sleeper in the next few seasons and really help a team...eventually.
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Why do people keep bringing up players who have had recent injuries that were close to forcing them to retire?
NoBonus
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Because, this is the Kings, and when Prez gets signed by the Kings, Hallama can say they were the first to predict it.
Hallama
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It's not like he's Ralph Sampson or Derek Smith
. He claims he's about 90% back (in September), after feeling horrible most of last season. This article definitely points to he's going to play this year (although the Bucks sound like they have the inside track): http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_5f31be5e-dc16-11e0-943d-001cc4c002e0.html
If the top tier guys are gone, the Kings will still need C depth. Any other suggestions?
bajaden
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First, me thinks that the freeagent market will be expanded by the amnesty clause, so our options will be expanded as well. Some of which may be a real bargain. Secondly, I agree with you. We could simply sign two or three players to one year contracts and be ready to go into the freeagent market again next season. Thirdly, I seriously doubt that the Kings will fail to meet the league minimun. Its sends the wrong message to the fan base that they're trying to convince they're going to be competitive. And it sends the wrong message to the league, saying that Sacramento can't even afford to meet the league minimun.
There are a lot of assumptions going on this thread. One is that the Kings won't be willing to spend money. Mostly based on our perception of the Maloof's financial status. Could be true, or not. We won't know until we see the results. We know that they've consolidated just about everything into the Kings. Thats either by choice, or by default. But either way, financially, the Kings appear to be their last hurrah. If so, then they really need to sell this product, and the only way to do that, is to make it competitive. Which means spending money. Not foolishly, just for the sake of spending it, but wisely, and with intent.
They do of course have one final option. To sell the Kings. The team would go for somewhere around 350 to 400 mil on the open market. Not chump change. Certainly enough to keep me in cervesa's for the rest of my life. Joe and Gavin are competitive guys. They hate to lose. And, they're risk takers. Just ask George. So short term, I see them jumping in with both feet. And if it doesn't work out, then perhaps selling the team down the road. I'm sure they have certain players targeted, and I'm fairly sure we'll see Thornton in a Kings uniform this season. After that, its anyone's guess. My guess is that Dalembert won't be back. Just a gut feeling and it has nothing to do with my wanting him back or not. And I wouldn't overspend to intice him, unless it was a one year contract.
Amnesty will happen very quickly. I'm sure every team thats going to use it already knows which players they're going to waive. Many of those teams won't have any money to use for freeagency until they've waived said player. So until then, there's a very large grey area pool of talent that remains unknown. The Kings are in a great position to reap the benefits of that pool if they desire to do so. Players like Mike Miller, Rashard Lewis, Turkoglu, Arenas, could all suddenly be on the market, and at bargain basement prices.
bajaden
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We already have a Wright on the team. His name is Whiteside. We don't need two!
I don't know. Coon's FAQ says:
That's not very specific. "The players" could mean the team or the league; I always took it to mean the league, using the same mechanism for when total salaries came under the negotiated BRI total - league cuts check to players' union, players' union distributes.
Well, I certainly don't think that's the case. I think we'll want to meet the minimum, I'm just worried that we won't be able to tempt any top-tier free agents in to do that "sensibly" and we might be forced to give out big contracts to "undeserving" players to make the minimum. And if we have to do that, I hope we do it on one-year deals.
Hallama
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Ha, always forget about Whiteside. I really think Wright has a chance - maybe more towards his late 20's - he has a lot of skill.
Doesn't really matter, Kings will probably end up with an amnesty player, or give an undrafted FA like Brian Zoubek a shot. Maybe Aaron Gray. You can probably ascertain I'm not too optimistic about front court signings this year. But hey, let the FA/Amnesty circus begin.
LPKingsFan
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I still think that Chandler might be too much for Dallas to afford long term, and I'd certainly love to see him as a Dalembert replacement. Yes, we'd have to make another move as the minutes crunch up front would be problematic once again. But I think you package something like Thompson or Hickson with Garcia or Salmons and see if you can get a SF upgrade (maybe Portland, who'd like to add some size next to Altridge, would consider Matthews for something along those lines?).
Plan B would be something like Kirikeno. I think he'd be a good fit because he also brings the weakside shotblocking but wouldn't necessarily create a big man glut because he could play both SF and PF.
A 9-man rotation of:
C Cousins
PF Hickson
SF Salmons
SG Thornton
PG Evans
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SF/PF Kirilenko
PF/C Thompson
SG/SF Garcia
PG/SG Jimmer
seems solid to me
Plan B would be something like Kirikeno. I think he'd be a good fit because he also brings the weakside shotblocking but wouldn't necessarily create a big man glut because he could play both SF and PF.
A 9-man rotation of:
C Cousins
PF Hickson
SF Salmons
SG Thornton
PG Evans
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SF/PF Kirilenko
PF/C Thompson
SG/SF Garcia
PG/SG Jimmer
seems solid to me
Chupacabra
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Am I the only one that's prepared to throw whiteside out there for 15-20 minutes per game? Just have cousins as the man defender for the other teams best big and send whiteside in for the weakside block. The kings need to develop whiteside more than they are.
Hallama
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I think the Kings will take it slow with Whiteside again this season, especially since it's a short season. But depending on how FA/amnesty plays out, they may need him out of necessity. I can see Petrie/Westphal wanting to bring in a vet PF/C instead of playing Whiteside, just because this team is so young and inexperienced at PF/C. Maybe Elson or a Collier...I know, exciting!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I went around the league team by team and made a guess as to who they might waive, if anyone. In a couple of cases I couldn't find anyone they would wave. Like Denver, who is short bodies big time. But anyway, here's my guess, and remember, its just a guess. I've also listed how much they're making this season and how many years are left on their contract.
Mavericks: Brendan Haywood - 5 years at 7.6 mil this year
Hawks: Joe Johnson - 5 years at 18 mil this year
Lakers: Luke Walton - 2 years at 5.6 mil this year
Spurs: Richard Jefferson - 3 years at 9.2 mil this year
Magic: Gilbert Arenas - 3 years at 19.2 mil this year, or, Hido Turkoglu - 3 years at 10 mil this year
Trailblazers: Brandon Roy: 4 years at 15 mil this year
Cav's: Baron Davis - 2 years at 14 mil this year
76'ers: Andres Nocioni - 2 years at 6.6 mil this year
Bucks: Stephen Jackson - 2 years at 9.2 mil this year, or, Drew Gooden - 4years at 6.2 mil this year
Suns: Josh Childress - 4 years at 6 mil this year
TWolves: Martell Webster - 2 years at 5.2 mil this year
Pistons: Charlie Villanueva - 3 years at 7.5 mil this year, or, Richard Hamilton - 2 years at 12.6 mil this year
Bobcats: Corey Maggette - 2 years at 10.2 mil this year
Rockets: Hasheem Thabeet - 3 years at 5.1 mil this year
Wizards: Rashard Lewis - 2 years at 22.1 mil this year
Nets: Travis Outlaw - 4 years at 7 mil this year
Some of these are iffy, like Thabeet. Houston is lacking size right now, and although Thabeet has been a bust so far, he's still better than nothing, so they might be reluctant to waive him. Travis Outlaw was a disapointment for the Nets, but they might still be willing to give him another year of look see. Webster was the most likely player on the Wolves, but with Kahn you never know.
Joe Johnson is another one I'm not sure of. They just signed him to a new contract, but in light of the new CBA, they might rethink the whole process. They'd probably try and trade him before waiving him. Its all just speculation..
Mavericks: Brendan Haywood - 5 years at 7.6 mil this year
Hawks: Joe Johnson - 5 years at 18 mil this year
Lakers: Luke Walton - 2 years at 5.6 mil this year
Spurs: Richard Jefferson - 3 years at 9.2 mil this year
Magic: Gilbert Arenas - 3 years at 19.2 mil this year, or, Hido Turkoglu - 3 years at 10 mil this year
Trailblazers: Brandon Roy: 4 years at 15 mil this year
Cav's: Baron Davis - 2 years at 14 mil this year
76'ers: Andres Nocioni - 2 years at 6.6 mil this year
Bucks: Stephen Jackson - 2 years at 9.2 mil this year, or, Drew Gooden - 4years at 6.2 mil this year
Suns: Josh Childress - 4 years at 6 mil this year
TWolves: Martell Webster - 2 years at 5.2 mil this year
Pistons: Charlie Villanueva - 3 years at 7.5 mil this year, or, Richard Hamilton - 2 years at 12.6 mil this year
Bobcats: Corey Maggette - 2 years at 10.2 mil this year
Rockets: Hasheem Thabeet - 3 years at 5.1 mil this year
Wizards: Rashard Lewis - 2 years at 22.1 mil this year
Nets: Travis Outlaw - 4 years at 7 mil this year
Some of these are iffy, like Thabeet. Houston is lacking size right now, and although Thabeet has been a bust so far, he's still better than nothing, so they might be reluctant to waive him. Travis Outlaw was a disapointment for the Nets, but they might still be willing to give him another year of look see. Webster was the most likely player on the Wolves, but with Kahn you never know.
Joe Johnson is another one I'm not sure of. They just signed him to a new contract, but in light of the new CBA, they might rethink the whole process. They'd probably try and trade him before waiving him. Its all just speculation..
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Let me start by saying, lets remember who the coach is!! This is the last year of his contract! I think we all know what that means. Its win at any cost, and it also means, play as many veteran players that you have. Of which the Kings currently have few. I don't think that bodes well for Whiteside getting significant minutes.
You and I are looking at the big picture, and long term. Westphal is looking a smaller picture, and short term. By the way, I agree with you on playing Whiteside. I'm not saying I would guarantee him 20 minutes a game, but I'd try and give him 5 minutes a half. At least to start. If he's effective, then increase his minutes little by little. It wouldn't be hard to eventually give him 15 minutes a game. I suspect he'll be a foul magnet for a while anyway.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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This is pretty much what I have been preaching all along. If the only big name guy we sign is AK, I have NO problem using Whiteside as the fourth big (Darnell Jackson role) and Isaih Thomas as the 4th/5th guard (Pooh Jeter role).
If everyone improves like they should improve .. With Evans/Cousins/Thornton playing at borderline all-star level I think we have enough depth to chase the 8th seed... we may not get it, but we should be in the race. That team is just as talented as any in the western conference .. after the top 4.
I wish I trusted our coach to get us there, but I just dont.
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It's the players on that team. It was mentioned last year when the Kings were below the minimum.
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Your missing a major point of amnesty. It can be used once during the CBA. So teams can trade a player than amnesty them if the contract was in place before the new CBA. Also, with the raised minimum cap teams will hold on to some of the over paid players or try and trade them instead. No point blowing your wad early just because you can. Let it play out and see what drops in your lap.
Larry David
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That's true, but everybody throwing that out is missing something.
I think the logic for some peopl ewould be, why cut Cisco now. Maybe, the Magic will want to amnesty Gilbert and later they will need to clear Hedo off the books to sign another player next summer. The Kings can amnesty him and get some picks and young players in the deal.
The team that cuts the player still has to pay him, and I'm pretty sure 3 million is still the most that somebody can put into a trade. Thus, for the Hedo trade, the Kings take on 23 million in salary and can only offset 3 in the trade. Clearly, that would never be on the table but some, and I'm not saying you, are missing this point. But some people are.
So, there will be a player the Kings can trade for, but you are either talking about: (1) a team clearing 3-4 million in cap and/or tax and throwing in 3 million, which isn't going to net you much; or (2) a trade where a player has one year left at 5-8 million and the Kings getting 3 million plus a pick or a cheap young player. However, there are going to be a few teams looking for those trades, so I think anybody makes a killing on it right away, if at all.
Larry David
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This is a good list and that's a really bad contract, but there is no way the Hawks pay him his 100 million not to play for them. No shot.
I don't know if Kings want to bid on DeAndre Jordan or take on Chris Kaman in order to play Cousins at PF and/or bring Hickson off the bench. But there is an easy way to get Kaman really cheap. You bid Jordan up to the point where you'd want him. His price will end up well above that number and the Clippers will probably match. At which point, they need to dump Kaman because Donald isn't going to pay 20 million for two centers.
At which point, you can trade for Kaman for very little. He might be headed for a rebound year, if so, you sign him to a reasonable extension. If not, you had Sammy D 2.0.
I hope they do more, but I could live with Thornton and Kaman.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
He's a puzzle, isn't he? He's worth keeping around for his personality which I doubt hurts the team in any way at all and also, who knows, something might click and he will figure out how to use one or two of his multiple average skills and be great. As he is now, if we run into major injury problems, he can fill multiple positions.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I like this analysis. I might be more inclined to take on a Gasol or Nene but I throroughly understand your concrens. These concerns can be eliminated quickly by getting a new coach - next year unfortunately. Westy must have most of the players very confused. Let us remember boring old Adelman who never changed anything. It worked!
