Taylor/ICON on May 26

[Mike0476]

May 26th.

We all know the date when Taylor/ICON will be a part of a special meeting about their sports and entertainment facility feasibility report.

Now the time is known.

The meeting will take place from 1:00-3:00pm.

It is open to the public.

If the time is changed again (originally was set for 2:00-4:00pm), I will post an update.

 

[kennadog]

Thanks, Mike. I plan on being there, even though I'll have to take time off, again.

 

[JB_kings]

I'm leaning towards taking a half day off at work to go to this. I'm really curious about what sort of plans they will have.

 

[Mike0476]

I have already taken a half day off for this and I will be there.

 

[kennadog]

Maybe we should sticky this thread so it stays in people's consciousness?

 

[Mike0476]

We are less than 48 hours from the ICON/Taylor presentation.

Who will be attending? We need as many of us to show up.

I understand the time of the meeting isn't the best as it's during normal working hours for most folks.

I will be there.

Here's a link to the agenda.

http://sacramento.granicus.com/AgendaViewer.php?view_id=21&event_id=1950

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Due to work I cannot make it.

 

[Mike0476]

Due to work I cannot make it.

You can still watch it live online at:

http://sacramento.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=21

 

[Mike0476]

For those who will be attending, please dress in casual attire (something comfortable). We need to have our voices heard as our community deserves a new sports and entertainment complex in downtown Sacramento.

 

[kennadog]

For those who will be attending, please dress in casual attire (something comfortable). We need to have our voices heard as our community deserves a new sports and entertainment complex in downtown Sacramento.

Do you mean no Kings gear, I presume? I'm for an arena for Sacramento, not just for the Kings. The Kings would just be my cherry on top.

 

[Mike0476]

Do you mean no Kings gear, I presume? I'm for an arena for Sacramento, not just for the Kings. The Kings would just be my cherry on top.

You can if you want but I know I won't be for the first time.

 

[kennadog]

You can if you want but I know I won't be for the first time.

I'm thinking I won't either. I don't want to be seen as a person who only wants an arena to keep the Kings. This is much bigger for the Sacramento region than the Kings, in my eyes. And just because I support an arena does not mean I don't want to have enough cops, firefighters, social workers, teachers, senior centers, libraries, etc., which some naysayers seem to assume.

 

[JB_kings]

I won't be able to get off work to go down there. But I will watching online while working.

 

[Livinthedream]

From what I was able to listen to, sounded like in the next 100 days AEG could be in negotiations with the city to manage the arena. I'm hoping that they put a good chunk of money down to help get this built. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cost to purchase the land from the city is also included in the construction costs. If the city can donate this land, then the financing cost drops by something like $27 million?

I was very encouraged that they said the ESC will generate a positive cash flow. Hard for some people to argue the point if the city (public) owns the arena and is making a profit. I like how Icon threw in the fact that the arena could be complete for the open of the 2014 season if someone would like to provide a bridge loan to get the process started. Hint to the Maloofs to front some of the money if they really want to get this done fast. Or maybe Inland if they want to help speed the development of the railyards.

Regardless, the faster the wheels get moving on this thing, the harder it will be for those opposed to slow it down.

 

[PurpleHaze]

From what I was able to listen to, sounded like in the next 100 days AEG could be in negotiations with the city to manage the arena. I'm hoping that they put a good chunk of money down to help get this built. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cost to purchase the land from the city is also included in the construction costs. If the city can donate this land, then the financing cost drops by something like $27 million?

I was very encouraged that they said the ESC will generate a positive cash flow. Hard for some people to argue the point if the city (public) owns the arena and is making a profit. I like how Icon threw in the fact that the arena could be complete for the open of the 2014 season if someone would like to provide a bridge loan to get the process started. Hint to the Maloofs to front some of the money if they really want to get this done fast. Or maybe Inland if they want to help speed the development of the railyards.

Regardless, the faster the wheels get moving on this thing, the harder it will be for those opposed to slow it down.

Where would Maloofs come up with that chunk of money? I suppose they could sell their Wells Fargo stock. Heck, maybe Wells Fargo would do the bridge loan. On second thought, probably not. Afterall, the city of Sacramento in a pathetic anti-biz move back in 1986 refused to allow Wells Fargo Bank to put their name or logo on just completed 32 story Wells Fargo Center in downtown - a quarter century later still the tallest building in Sac.

 

[Trueblood]

From what I was able to listen to, sounded like in the next 100 days AEG could be in negotiations with the city to manage the arena. I'm hoping that they put a good chunk of money down to help get this built. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cost to purchase the land from the city is also included in the construction costs. If the city can donate this land, then the financing cost drops by something like $27 million?

I was very encouraged that they said the ESC will generate a positive cash flow. Hard for some people to argue the point if the city (public) owns the arena and is making a profit. I like how Icon threw in the fact that the arena could be complete for the open of the 2014 season if someone would like to provide a bridge loan to get the process started. Hint to the Maloofs to front some of the money if they really want to get this done fast. Or maybe Inland if they want to help speed the development of the railyards.

Regardless, the faster the wheels get moving on this thing, the harder it will be for those opposed to slow it down.

That would be huge. We've waited this long for an arena. It would be a shame if we have to wait 4 years for it's opening. If there's any way they can expedite the process so we can see this thing open in 2014, I'm all for it as long as it doesn't cost TOO much.

 

[Livinthedream]

Where would Maloofs come up with that chunk of money? I suppose they could sell their Wells Fargo stock. Heck, maybe Wells Fargo would do the bridge loan. On second thought, probably not. Afterall, the city of Sacramento in a pathetic anti-biz move back in 1986 refused to allow Wells Fargo Bank to put their name or logo on just completed 32 story Wells Fargo Center in downtown - a quarter century later still the tallest building in Sac.

The Maloofs say they're not broke. Here is a chance to prove it and use some of that $150 million in relocation money they were about to put up to get out of here. The NBA wanted a deposit on those funds from local businesses. I want a deposit from the tenant of my new ESC. Sounds fair to me.

Webber said he wanted to be a part as well. Here is the time where people need to start putting their money where their mouth is.

On your other point, Sacramento is not friendly to businesses in any way. I wonder what it's going to take to start reversing some of those policies. You can't on one hand talk about bringing new development and business to the area and on the other hand make it unpalatable to businesses through your red tape and ridiculous fees. I'm going to use Charlotte as an example again. Charlotte has 6 fortune 500 companies headquartered there. 365 of the fortune 500 companies are represented there in some fashion. It's because Charlotte goes out of their way to clear red tape for big businesses. In turn, those businesses invest heavily in Charlotte so that their executives and high priced employees have incentives to live in that city. I hope there is a shift in the way the city handles big businesses in the future. Letting them put their name on their buildings would be a start.

 

[PurpleHaze]

The Maloofs say they're not broke. Here is a chance to prove it and use some of that $150 million in relocation money they were about to put up to get out of here. The NBA wanted a deposit on those funds from local businesses. I want a deposit from the tenant of my new ESC. Sounds fair to me.

Webber said he wanted to be a part as well. Here is the time where people need to start putting their money where their mouth is.

On your other point, Sacramento is not friendly to businesses in any way. I wonder what it's going to take to start reversing some of those policies. You can't on one hand talk about bringing new development and business to the area and on the other hand make it unpalatable to businesses through your red tape and ridiculous fees. I'm going to use Charlotte as an example again. Charlotte has 6 fortune 500 companies headquartered there. 365 of the fortune 500 companies are represented there in some fashion. It's because Charlotte goes out of their way to clear red tape for big businesses. In turn, those businesses invest heavily in Charlotte so that their executives and high priced employees have incentives to live in that city. I hope there is a shift in the way the city handles big businesses in the future. Letting them put their name on their buildings would be a start.

I've been asking that question around here for at least three decades. A joint powers authority might be a start as far as jointly planned and funded development. Most politicians within the city and general attitudes in Sac are simply anti private business. Everyone knows it's a pro government town but there's a not often mentioned additional BIG problem. Those pro government forces don't often get along with each other - with petty infighting, turf battles and jealousy of anything THEY don't control. Sacramento is a very, very sad place in that regard.

On a more perhaps hopeful side note - this about Burkle eventually getting control of Kings, helping fund new arena, and Maloofs getting Hornets franchise for move to Anaheim (at least as possibility):

http://www.27x7.com/2011/05/26/woul...aloofs-and-burkle-happy-in-sacramento-affair/

 

[Capt. Factorial]

On a more perhaps hopeful side note - this about Burkle eventually getting control of Kings, helping fund new arena, and Maloofs getting Hornets franchise for move to Anaheim (at least as possibility):

http://www.27x7.com/2011/05/26/woul...aloofs-and-burkle-happy-in-sacramento-affair/

Just to be clear, that's nothing more than speculation (explicitly speculation, as a matter of fact) - the exact same speculation that's been seen on sites like this since Burkle's name first came up. There's not really any reason to think that guy's speculation is any better than ours, and ours was...pretty darn weak.

 

[Section 101]

I've been asking that question around here for at least three decades. A joint powers authority might be a start as far as jointly planned and funded development. Most politicians within the city and general attitudes in Sac are simply anti private business. Everyone knows it's a pro government town but there's a not often mentioned additional BIG problem. Those pro government forces don't often get along with each other - with petty infighting, turf battles and jealousy of anything THEY don't control. Sacramento is a very, very sad place in that regard.

On a more perhaps hopeful side note - this about Burkle eventually getting control of Kings, helping fund new arena, and Maloofs getting Hornets franchise for move to Anaheim (at least as possibility):

http://www.27x7.com/2011/05/26/woul...aloofs-and-burkle-happy-in-sacramento-affair/

That's Bill Bradley. Enough said.

 

[Glenn]

That's Bill Bradley. Enough said.

The basketball playing Senator? As not everyone has a clue as to what you mean, or at least I don't, what do you mean?

 

[kennadog]

From what I was able to listen to, sounded like in the next 100 days AEG could be in negotiations with the city to manage the arena. I'm hoping that they put a good chunk of money down to help get this built. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cost to purchase the land from the city is also included in the construction costs. If the city can donate this land, then the financing cost drops by something like $27 million?

Yes, the land cost is included, becasue that has to be negotiated with the city. I believe the value that was placed on it was $18 million, but it could be worth $27 million in a few years. Not sure I believe that last part.

As for AEG, they were cited as an example, but at least two other companies were mentioned as possibilites. The city would have to go through a proper selection process. Commitment of private money could be part of the selection criteria.

 

[JB_kings]

The basketball playing Senator? As not everyone has a clue as to what you mean, or at least I don't, what do you mean?

Bill Bradley was the former editor of the Bee sports department. He was generally known to be the worst writer that department had ever known. Except for maybe Ron Wennig. And if you know the list of people who have worked the Bee Sports, that is saying a lot.

 

[kennadog]

Oh, by the way. Carmichael Dave says he intends on collecting real money from the people who made a pledge to his HereWeBuild campaign. Get ready to write that check folks. I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is.

 

[JB_kings]

Also of note from the meeting. This is just the starting point design. They have yet to sit down with th eMaloofs and listen to their needs. I'm guessing a few more upgrades will be asked for. For one, that VIP parking area next to the arena will turn into a multi level parking garage. There just isn't enough parking there for team officials, media and suite guests. The players will probably end up parking inside the arena like in other cities.

The other upgrade will probably be the video and scoreboard display. It looks to me like they are moving the Arco board over with new HD screens replacing the old video. I don't see anywhere in the handout where a purchase of a new scoreboard. They do show the cost of the new HD LCD screens. And the concept drawings look just like the current Arco board with new LCDs.

Both of these are high dollar costs. But I think the NBA will agree with the Maloofs that these need to be added.

One other 800 pound gorilla the council will be discussing. This plan in no way addresses the Train Depot or illustrates how to get the passengers from the Depot to the track platforms. Another guess here, the topic of relocating the depot will be pretty much implied here. Perhaps moving it to lot #40 and building a new facility around the main building? Don't know, but this one is on the city to figure out.

 

[Section 101]

Also of note from the meeting. This is just the starting point design. They have yet to sit down with th eMaloofs and listen to their needs. I'm guessing a few more upgrades will be asked for. For one, that VIP parking area next to the arena will turn into a multi level parking garage. There just isn't enough parking there for team officials, media and suite guests. The players will probably end up parking inside the arena like in other cities.

The other upgrade will probably be the video and scoreboard display. It looks to me like they are moving the Arco board over with new HD screens replacing the old video. I don't see anywhere in the handout where a purchase of a new scoreboard. They do show the cost of the new HD LCD screens. And the concept drawings look just like the current Arco board with new LCDs.

Both of these are high dollar costs. But I think the NBA will agree with the Maloofs that these need to be added.

One other 800 pound gorilla the council will be discussing. This plan in no way addresses the Train Depot or illustrates how to get the passengers from the Depot to the track platforms. Another guess here, the topic of relocating the depot will be pretty much implied here. Perhaps moving it to lot #40 and building a new facility around the main building? Don't know, but this one is on the city to figure out.

Scoreboard should be in the audio video budget. They should want all the advertising space to be digital so it would need to be replaced.

 

[kennadog]

Also of note from the meeting. This is just the starting point design. They have yet to sit down with th eMaloofs and listen to their needs. I'm guessing a few more upgrades will be asked for. For one, that VIP parking area next to the arena will turn into a multi level parking garage. There just isn't enough parking there for team officials, media and suite guests. The players will probably end up parking inside the arena like in other cities.

The other upgrade will probably be the video and scoreboard display. It looks to me like they are moving the Arco board over with new HD screens replacing the old video. I don't see anywhere in the handout where a purchase of a new scoreboard. They do show the cost of the new HD LCD screens. And the concept drawings look just like the current Arco board with new LCDs.

Both of these are high dollar costs. But I think the NBA will agree with the Maloofs that these need to be added.

One other 800 pound gorilla the council will be discussing. This plan in no way addresses the Train Depot or illustrates how to get the passengers from the Depot to the track platforms. Another guess here, the topic of relocating the depot will be pretty much implied here. Perhaps moving it to lot #40 and building a new facility around the main building? Don't know, but this one is on the city to figure out.

I believe they did mention a new scoreboard. Anyway, their team is highly experienced and they said the plan presented meets all the league requirements. That was necessary, in order to give a reasonable estimate of cost.

The train station was discussed. One of the council members asked that the first order of business is to make sure that the arena does not interfere with the inter-modal transpotation palns, already under construction for the infrastructure. If the arena at that site does interfere, the arena will be moved. That would involve negotiations with Inland.

 

[JB_kings]

The concept art really looks like the current scoreboard with new LCD screens. Just going off what I see. The one in Staples is state of the art and cost 10 million in 2010. And by the way, ICON did the work.

I heard Steve Cohn mention the depot and possibly moving the arena. And yes it would involve Inland selling off some land for that. Not trying to be a downer here, but the plan as it shows from ICON means train passsengers and luggage carriers have to walk in front of the main entrance of the arena to get to the track platforms. There is also the Greyhound station they had planned as part of the SITF. Basically this arena layout blows the current SITF design up. I'm not so sure there is a better plot of land for the arena. The Train Depot is the one out of place when the tracks get moved. So they would be doing the right thing by revisiting their idea of not moving the depot. They have earthquake retrofit money for the depot and it was due to start soon. Rather than the arena moving, I think it's smarter to move the depot closer to the tracks on Lot #40 and develop the SITF there.

 

[Glenn]

Oh, by the way. Carmichael Dave says he intends on collecting real money from the people who made a pledge to his HereWeBuild campaign. Get ready to write that check folks. I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is.

Edible money?

 

[Glenn]

Bill Bradley was the former editor of the Bee sports department. He was generally known to be the worst writer that department had ever known. Except for maybe Ron Wennig. And if you know the list of people who have worked the Bee Sports, that is saying a lot.

Thanks. Not sure where I've been as I have subscribed to the Bee since 1977. Duh! In any case, for those that do not live in Sacramento .................. well, you know.