Sonics - to trade #10?

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Seattle Post-Intelligencer - Several NBA sources said this week the Sonics are strongly considering moving their pick and acquiring a veteran player because they are content with their current two-deep roster, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Sonics officials appear convinced that no player they could land at No. 10 could break into their playing rotation.

Club officials are considering moving down in the first round and taking a project who can sharpen his skills in the National Basketball Development League.

"The D-League is going to 12 teams and we can stock it with young players," general manager Rick Sund said this week. "A lot of this (evaluation) becomes more important in developing guys for the future. We are fine with that."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/273470_sonx10.html

I'd absolutely love to get Foye if he'd still be available... also like O'Bryant/Simmons/Shelden there.
 
That'd be cool to get that pick. That would put us in position to get the guy I think a lot us may want: Shelden Williams.
 
I cringe when I think of getting Danny Fortson but what about Fortson+#10+someone else for SAR?

Edit: Yeah than we could get Shelden Williams!
 
Hmmm, I'd probably be okay with that. I mean, has Fortson ever been a problem off the court/problem(s) with team/team-mates? Other than comments about Stu Jackson/the league, I don't recall.

I'll take all his fouling, banging, hustle for a year or less, and get a top ten pick.
 
I wonder if they would rather do KT instead of SAR. They could use a rebounder and better defender more than a scorer. They could use a defender like Garcia as well. Wilkins isn't that good, but he would be a serviceable backup swingman. Think they would do KT/Garcia/#18 for Wilkins/Fortson/#10. Then we could take Shelden Williams and dump Fortson or something...
 
giving up garcia is too much to get the 10th pick. the player picked 10th isn't guaranteed to be good. KT or SAR/19th for the 10th and anybody but fortson unless we are involving a 3rd team to have them take fortson off our hands (cough, knicks, cough)
 
KMart23 said:
giving up garcia is too much to get the 10th pick. the player picked 10th isn't guaranteed to be good. KT or SAR/19th for the 10th and anybody but fortson unless we are involving a 3rd team to have them take fortson off our hands (cough, knicks, cough)

that's true...but IMO I think we might have to give them Garcia to make it worthwhile...but then again maybe not...

EDIT: another thing that would be nice would be picking up Earl Watson, but they may be way to difficult to do considering they just got him.
 
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I can't see them giving him up... though, Watson is the guy I'd love to see us get not named Ray Allen (who I doubt we would).
 
While it woould be nice to move up and have a better selction of people, in this draft how much better is #10 than #19? Better, but its not like Thomas or Aldridge is going to slip that low, so I'd be reluctant to part with too much to get that pick.

Garcia + our #19? No. Like Cisco + he's young, not worth it unless you see a big name slipping on draft day.

SAR + our #19? No. Unless the player they shipped back with their #10 was a lot better than Danny Fortson.

KT + our #19? Yeah, I could go for that, but again there has to be somebody worthwhile at #10. KT is a misfit toy, but he can play in the league, and giving up our #19 as well...well, I would need #10 to be a good looking rook.

P.S. Anybody else amused that Seattle, suckass team, apparently wants to KEEP its rotation?
 
Bricklayer said:
While it woould be nice to move up and have a better selction of people, in this draft how much better is #10 than #19? Better, but its not like Thomas or Aldridge is going to slip that low, so I'd be reluctant to part with too much to get that pick.

Shelden Williams better. That's how much better 10 is from 19. It's not 100% sure he'll even be there at 10 but chances are he will.


He is EXACTLY what we need for the 4/5 spot. And I don't buy the "he's 6`9 so he wont be able to play center in the NBA" crap. He has a center's game. So what if he's 6'9? He has a 7-footer's wingspan and great strengh/bulk.
 
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chaps said:
So what if he's 6'9? He has a 7-footer's wingspan and great strengh/bulk.


Makes ALL the difference in the world. In fact exactly the difference between college and the pros. Guys who were big enough in college, are ineffectual tweeners in the pros. Unless your name is Ben, 6'9" is a PF in the NBA. Which we could also use BTW.

In any case, Williams is generally projected at about #8, so he would need to slip in order for #10 to matter.
 
He's definitely tall/big enough for the four. But to be a full time starter at the 5 he would probably be a little too short. He could play there in spurts against certain matchups/teams and he would do fine.

If we resign Bonzi, I think we should give up Garcia and try to get something of value back. With Artest, Bonzi, and Martin, I just don't see enough minutes for Garcia to develop. I like him as a player, but we have enough good swingmen, we should try to move him for a big or a better pick IMO.
 
chaps said:
Shelden Williams better. That's how much better 10 is from 19. It's not 100% sure he'll even be there at 10 but chances are he will.

He is EXACTLY what we need for the 4/5 spot. And I don't buy the "he's 6`9 so he wont be able to play center in the NBA" crap. He has a center's game. So what if he's 6'9? He has a 7-footer's wingspan and great strengh/bulk.

i honestly don't see how sheldon is that good. hes overrated imo. undersized to man the center position. does he have great leaping ability? are we basing his skill against college opponents?
 
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I think Williams is overrated as well. He really struggled defending top competition (Aldridge, Simmons, Killingsworth), and he doesn't have the athleticism necessary to be able to be a true center in the NBA. I do have to eat my words that Shelden isn't 6'9" since apparently he measured 6'9" in shoes. Maybe he could pass for a center now that smallball has become so popular, but imagine throwing him against Shaq or Yao or even Ilgauskas. He would be destroyed.

On the topic of the #10, I don't blame the Sonics for wanting to move out of that spot, because it's kind of in no-man's land -- not high enough to get the top prospects (Aldridge, Bargnani, Thomas, Gay, Morrison, Roy) and well into the range of guys who you're just hoping will be a role playing contributor on your roster. Maybe someone in the 2nd tier of prospects (O'Bryant, Carney, Foye, Shelden Williams, Marcus Williams) will turn into a solid player, but I don't know if it's worth it for the Kings to give up anything of value to move up to get a 2nd Tier prospect when there will be plenty of 2nd Tier guys still available at 19.

So basically, if the Kings can move up to the top 5 in this draft, awesome -- at least one of Thomas, Aldridge or Bargnani will probably be available. Other than that, it's probably not worth it to move up, and I'd be perfectly content if Petrie traded out of this draft.
 
KMart23 said:
i honestly don't see how sheldon is that good. hes overrated imo. undersized to man the center position. does he have great leaping ability? are we basing his skill against college opponents?

If what you are looking for is a player with great upside that MIGHT develop into a go-to/franchise player, than Shelden Williams isn't your guy. If, on the other hand, you're looking for a defensive beast that's as safe of a pick as any other player in the draft, because he's a proven college senior, and that he will be relevant on the next level ,than he is.

Are we basing his skills against college opponents? Hmm, yes we are. Cause last time I checked he hasnt played pro yet. I can't believe how some people aren't high on him when he's a two-time National Defensive Player of the year, his school's all-time leader in boards and swats and the only player to ever average a double-double under one of the top 5 best coaches in college basketball history. All of that while playing second(and sometimes third) favorite for 4 years to JJ Redick and for a few years to Deng, Duhon... All of that while playing for arguably the country's best program in IMO the toughest conference, the ACC.

What you see with Shelden is what you get. A great teammate that centers his game on playing tough, hard-nosed defense in the post and will absolutely destroy guys that attempt to run lay-ups against him with his amazing shot-blocking abilities. Not that the Sacramento Kings lack a player like that or anything.
 
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I agree...Shelden Williams probably won't ever develop into an 18ppg scorer or anything like that, but I do think he could end up with something like 9-12ppg 8-11 rpg and about 1.5 blocks. Those are merely speculative of course, but I don't see why he couldn't do that. That would make him the perfect compliment to Brad IMO.
 
chaps said:
If what you are looking for is a player with great upside that MIGHT develop into a go-to/franchise player, than Shelden Williams isn't your guy. If, on the other hand, you're looking for a defensive beast that's as safe of a pick as any other player in the draft, because he's a proven college senior, and that he will be relevant on the next level ,than he is.

Are we basing his skills against college opponents? Hmm, yes we are. Cause last time I checked he hasnt played pro yet. I can't believe how some people aren't high on him when he's a two-time National Defensive Player of the year, his school's all-time leader in boards and swats and the only player to ever average a double-double under one of the top 5 best coaches in college basketball history. All of that while playing second(and sometimes third) favorite for 4 years to JJ Redick and for a few years to Deng, Duhon... All of that while playing for arguably the country's best program in IMO the toughest conference, the ACC.

What you see with Shelden is what you get. A great teammate that centers his game on playing tough, hard-nosed defense in the post and will absolutely destroy guys that attempt to run lay-ups against him with his amazing shot-blocking abilities. Not that the Sacramento Kings lack a player like that or anything.

if we get him at 19, thats cool. i don't think we need to trade any valuable pieces to move up to jump on his "potential". he'd be great as a solid role player.
 
Bricklayer said:
P.S. Anybody else amused that Seattle, suckass team, apparently wants to KEEP its rotation?

Yah, that kind of struck me as weird.

But #19, and Garcia for the 10 and we get Williams. OR they draft Williams, and we draft a guy they want, and do a swap + Garcia.
 
KMart23 said:
i honestly don't see how sheldon is that good. hes overrated imo. undersized to man the center position. does he have great leaping ability? are we basing his skill against college opponents?

Have you ever watched the guy?

*Triple double with blocks/points/rebounds against Maryland.

*JJ Redick would have never have been able to do what he does without Williams on the team.

*FOUR years at college means he's that much more ready for the NBA.

*Could have came out last year, but stuck with it for another year.

*Solid fundemental basketball player.

*Great attitude, not a problem starter.

*Hard worker.

*Won national "defensive" player of the year as a junior. (again, still came back for senior year)

*Boxes out well for rebounds.

*75% free throw shooting.

*Developed a 15-17 foot jumper, as well as has many inside moves.

*Great on the offensive boards, and put backs.

Now tell me, how does he not fit our needs? The guy played four years in college, and won defensive awards, blocked 4 a game, 10+ rebounds a game. If he doesn't develop into something special than I will eat crow.

Basically I am saying he can turn into an Elton Brand type of player rather than a 10/10/1.5 guy. I am really a fan of his though so it might be clouding my judgement. I really do think he will turn into a great power forward for years to come. Williams is as good of prospect PF as there is in this draft.
 
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Gary said:
Basically I am saying he can turn into an Elton Brand type of player rather than a 10/10/1.5 guy. I am really a fan of his though so it might be clouding my judgement. I really do think he will turn into a great power forward for years to come. Williams is as good of prospect PF as there is in this draft.


I doubt that -- his ceiling seems pretty low, and college stats mean little. (How'd Wayne Simien do this year?) On the other hand his ability to actually contribute seems much more assured than many in the draft. The 10 + 10 guy seems far more likely. But that's hardly a demerit. Too many softie scoring PFs running around right now. Lot's of people looking for that 10 + 10 rock in there.
 
Wayne Simien had a crappy year. He was a non-factor. But so was Kevin Martin his first year. But I agree, I see Shelden Williams as a 10/10/1.5 guy who plays good post D.
 
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Wayne Simien, like K-Mart, showed some flashes of goodness in a handful of games. He was stuck behind vets on a championship contender (not quite in relation to us in 04-05).

I like his around the basket play and jumpshot.
 
Bricklayer said:
P.S. Anybody else amused that Seattle, suckass team, apparently wants to KEEP its rotation?

I thin it's just because they have so many young players. Watson, Ridenour, Petro, Swift, Damien Wilkins, Nick Collison, and Chris Wilcox. If they are going to try to make another push or two during Allen's prime, they have more need for a veteran than the type of player they would get at #10. I'm not sure a Shelden Williams or Rodney Carney would provide them much over the next couple of years.
 
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