So lets see, our roster now is......

upinsmoke said:
Only Artest and Bonzi have ever been a real banger.
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I was being generous ;)

If I was a free agent fan without roots in Sacramento ... I probably wouldn't pick such a "finesse" team to follow. Let me keep my fantasies of our hardcore past bruisers :p

Heuge said:
Corlis
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The Big Nasty is a bit of a stretch ... but sure, why not? I'll throw in Keon and Bobby J. just for good measure.
 
bajaden said:
Agreed, and hey, how about Michael the animal Smith. And, last but not least, the greatest of them all. Spud superman Webb.
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The Animal was the first on my list.

Side Track note: As a self-professed galephobe/selachophobe, I found this comment both hilarious and disturbing: :D

bajaden said:
Its sort of like saying that only 5 people get eaten by sharks every year, so there's no danger of going into the water. Unfortunately the stats only show the body's that they found.
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I hope Petrie (or should I say the Maloofs and Petrie?:)) are not close to being done. Now it's time to trade Miller for Noccioni and Noah. Then you have a young front line of potential studs for years to come - Noah, Thompson, Hawes, Greene. That is rebuilding with a capital R. I'd rather have a .400 team next year with Noah in the front line rotation than .500 with Miller. I wouldn't mind if they traded Salmons after that. He doesn't make anybody better around him and can't/won't pass the ball. When the ball goes to Salmons, it stays with Salmons. He's just not a guy I'm excited about for the future. That said, I wouldn't give him away either. Maybe we showcase him next year and trade him the following offseason.
 
why noccioni? how about gooden? noccioni's contract is way to long, eventhough it does decrease over time...
 
From a $200.00 standpoint I am enthused enough to now consider getting the NBA package again. The squad went from NBA basketball the way it should be played to unwatchable. Why not search for a more entertaining product? they have zero shot of winning again, but they might be heading toward some entertaining basketball.

I can root for Garcia, Beno, Martin and a guy like Noah. They seem to play for a team and not themselves. They play with heart. Mikki plays with joy. Noccioni with a bit of Harpring like toughness. I can't see Bobby Jacks doing more, but I'll turn the television on to watch him. All of these guys and their failures will come from trying too hard. I can live with that.

bibby, miller, artest, rahim, thomas --- some pretty somber dudes with some arguably dull playing styles and questionable attitudes. At times they played with selfishness. I could live without Salmons because of the same issues, but then again I think Garcia is the best all around player on the team (he's certainly the most entertaining).

A new look is way overdo for the Kings. I'm glad. I'm renewing with Directv. Wifey will be stoked.
 
I agree with the premise that confidence is built by getting minutes. But if those minutes don't translate to a reasonable amount of wins, like the last 2 years maybe (33, 38) then confidence can erode in the young guys, no matter how hard they try.

If Brad goes, Hawes becomes the starter at the 5. If nothing else, Hawes has confidence. Now if his capability can start to match up with his confidence, then we get somewhere. If not, who backs up Hawes?? Are there any serviceable centers out there who in 20-30 min/gm can at least hold their own??? What about Mikki as a backup at the 5 and the 4??

If Nocioni is part of the deal the Kings go small and start to look like the Suns but without an Amare. At least all the young bigs have legs and can run.

But Brad has $11.3M and $12.2M albatrosses hanging around his proverbial neck. That starts to look like a 1 for 2 or 3 trade, not good for Kings. UNLESS.......... a third team gets involved. This last one is a toughie.
 
Bricklayer said:
I know you think you are very clever, but probably the best way to further that impression would be just not to make any more not so clever posts.

So let's do this again -- as you are clever I am confident you'll catch on:

1) I'm going to work from the back. Nocioni -- what does Nocioni bring that Garcia, Salmons and Martin do not already offer? Really? Have you ever watched a Bulls game? Ever? Do you know who Nocioni is, and anything at all about the style of game he plays? Sitting here trying to explain what a 230/240 lb tough guy SF/PF brings to the table that a trio of toothpick SG/SF swingmen do not would be beyond pointless. Especially since Noc is not the primary object of the trade.

2) According to the reports the inclusion of Noah is GEOFF'S idea. Geoff was high on him last year. Apparently still is. Makes every bit of sense given everything we know about his preferences in players. If this trade goes through I have no idea where you can backpedal too with any credibility.

3) Of course just as you were yesterday, you are back to merrily conflating your own rather shaky acumen with Geoff's. You apparently do not even know who Nocioni is, and do not like Noah, and so obviously in your world Geoff must agree with you, and must be right. At least this time you finally got around to making a basketball argument (Hawes/Noah are too finesse according to you -- I suspect you missed the irony of suhc an argument given who we are talking about trading). That certainly beats all of the grandiose and supremely silly "that is what a GM gets paid to do!" proclamation dotting every post you make. As if you would know. As if the people posting here who haave given this thing any thought and actually know the players involved haven't been making the exact same calculations.
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I have had NBA League Pass five years running, and a 48' HD flat screen to boot, to stay abreast of my team, the Kings, and all other NBA teams. Meanwhile you are probably adjusting the rabbit ears on your 20" 1984 black-n-white Trinitron to stay up to date on the league. But I digress....

I am not a fan of Noah, and if we get him, I won't like the deal. He reminds me of Varejo from the Cavs. He runs around like a chicken with his head cutoff. He's a good energy guy, but he's basically a nice utility player. No star potential.

Noccioni is a decent player. He's tough. Streaky on his 3s. My comparison to Garcia and Salmons is they are all wing players who will have comparable impact on the outcome of a game. Hence, he is redundant.

I personally like keeping Miller on the team, and unless we get a knock your socks off deal, no-brainer, I imagine he's going nowhere. Now that you have been properly set straight, go give the side of your antiquated rusty excuse for a televison a love tap for me...wouldn't want to miss Wheel of Fortune :eek:
 
CruzDude said:
I agree with the premise that confidence is built by getting minutes. But if those minutes don't translate to a reasonable amount of wins, like the last 2 years maybe (33, 38) then confidence can erode in the young guys, no matter how hard they try.

If Brad goes, Hawes becomes the starter at the 5. If nothing else, Hawes has confidence. Now if his capability can start to match up with his confidence, then we get somewhere. If not, who backs up Hawes?? Are there any serviceable centers out there who in 20-30 min/gm can at least hold their own??? What about Mikki as a backup at the 5 and the 4??

If Nocioni is part of the deal the Kings go small and start to look like the Suns but without an Amare. At least all the young bigs have legs and can run.

But Brad has $11.3M and $12.2M albatrosses hanging around his proverbial neck. That starts to look like a 1 for 2 or 3 trade, not good for Kings. UNLESS.......... a third team gets involved. This last one is a toughie.
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If the deal is Nocioni and Noah you end up with no less than FOUR 6'11"+ players on your team in Hawes, Noah, Thomposn and Mikki. I would say you can scrabble together a decent center rotation out of that. And that's before you even get to Sheldon, who has the game of a center without the size.
 
bench_blob said:
I have had NBA League Pass five years running, and a 48' HD flat screen to boot, to stay abreast of my team, the Kings, and all other NBA teams. Meanwhile you are probably adjusting the rabbit ears on your 20" 1984 black-n-white Trinitron to stay up to date on the league.
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"My dad can beat up your dad" may be the quickest way to lose an argument around these parts.

Just so you know.
 
bench_blob said:
I have had NBA League Pass five years running, and a 48' HD flat screen to boot, to stay abreast of my team, the Kings, and all other NBA teams. Meanwhile you are probably adjusting the rabbit ears on your 20" 1984 black-n-white Trinitron to stay up to date on the league. But I digress....

I am not a fan of Noah, and if we get him, I won't like the deal. He reminds me of Varejo from the Cavs. He runs around like a chicken with his head cutoff. He's a good energy guy, but he's basically a nice utility player. No star potential.

Noccioni is a decent player. He's tough. Streaky on his 3s. My comparison to Garcia and Salmons is they are all wing players who will have comparable impact on the outcome of a game. Hence, he is redundant.

I personally like keeping Miller on the team, and unless we get a knock your socks off deal, no-brainer, I imagine he's going nowhere. Now that you have been properly set straight, go give the side of your antiquated rusty excuse for a televison a love tap for me...wouldn't want to miss Wheel of Fortune :eek:
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I disagree with every one of your conclusions.
 
You guys are all leaving out two important factors:

1. Brad won't be playing for the first five games anyway. There you go. Start Spencer. He's got a five-game audition. See how he handles it. If he's still shaky by the fifth game, then you consider keeping Brad around. But there's also another option:

2. You could easily shift Moore to the 5 if Spencer's not quite ready. Who knows? Thompson may be ready to start at the 4. Or, if you do the Nocioni deal, you go small (just for the starting lineup) and start Salmons at the 4 and Moore at the 5.
 
bench_blob said:
I have had NBA League Pass five years running, and a 48' HD flat screen to boot, to stay abreast of my team, the Kings, and all other NBA teams. Meanwhile you are probably adjusting the rabbit ears on your 20" 1984 black-n-white Trinitron to stay up to date on the league. But I digress...
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You've got to be kidding me...
 
Bricklayer said:
If the deal is Nocioni and Noah you end up with no less than FOUR 6'11"+ players on your team in Hawes, Noah, Thomposn and Mikki. I would say you can scrabble together a decent center rotation out of that. And that's before you even get to Sheldon, who has the game of a center without the size.
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Yeah, I don't see size being a problem. Heck, you can even start Mikki if you want and still give most of the minutes to the young guys. I have stated that I wasn't a big fan of Noah's. I should clarify that. I'm not a big fan of Noah's in place of Hawes or even Thompson. Simply because of the greater skill level of the other two. however, as a complimentary, or change of pace player to them, I'm all in favor with.
 
bench_blob said:
I have had NBA League Pass five years running, and a 48' HD flat screen to boot, to stay abreast of my team, the Kings, and all other NBA teams. Meanwhile you are probably adjusting the rabbit ears on your 20" 1984 black-n-white Trinitron to stay up to date on the league. But I digress....
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You know, when I encouraged you yesterday to step up your insults from "you Monday morning quarterback you", I did not mean that you should move on to insulting my T.V.

Its sensitive.
 
bajaden said:
I'm not a big fan of Noah's in place of Hawes or even Thompson. Simply because of the greater skill level of the other two. however, as a complimentary, or change of pace player to them, I'm all in favor with.
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He seems like almost an ideal third big man to rotate with them, contributing a productive and diverse all-around floor game, while the other two take care of putting the ball in the bucket in a pretty fashion. :)
 
Bricklayer said:
You know, when I encouraged you yesterday to step up your insults from "you Monday morning quarterback you", I did not mean that you should move on to insulting my T.V.

Its sensitive.
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And Brick wins the thread.
 
We've kinda digressed a bit what with 48 ft HD TV's and all.

I added on the original thread on page-1 an interesting item from the NBA about how rosters are set under the new CBA: 12 active and 1 inactive is minimum and 3 inactive maximum.

GP tends to carry 14 with SAR and KT being the 2 inactive leaving a roster of only 12 active players. As indicated Kings have 15 contracts now with SAR & KT. So any more trades that are 1 for 2 don't make sense. That said, I don't think Brad is going anywhere unless it is 1 for 1 with draft choices but at $12M that is hard to imagine.

Even if SAR retires and they have to keep KT, I don't see adding any more contracts being right at the Luxury tax threshold as it is. So again i contend GP may be done dealing unless something too good to pass up comes along (and don't see that either).
 
CruzDude said:
I added on the original thread on page-1 an interesting item from the NBA about how rosters are set under the new CBA: 12 active and 1 inactive is minimum and 3 inactive maximum.

GP tends to carry 14 with SAR and KT being the 2 inactive leaving a roster of only 12 active players. As indicated Kings have 15 contracts now with SAR & KT. So any more trades that are 1 for 2 don't make sense. That said, I don't think Brad is going anywhere unless it is 1 for 1 with draft choices but at $12M that is hard to imagine.

Even if SAR retires and they have to keep KT, I don't see adding any more contracts being right at the Luxury tax threshold as it is. So again i contend GP may be done dealing unless something too good to pass up comes along (and don't see that either).
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Brad won't be going anywhere. Regardless of what some think, he's going to be utilized as a veteran presence. A reduced role is likely but I'd be just as glad to see young Mr. Hawes get a little more experience before he's put into the unenviable position of being a starting center in the NBA.
 
VF21 said:
Brad won't be going anywhere. Regardless of what some think, he's going to be utilized as a veteran presence. A reduced role is likely but I'd be just as glad to see young Mr. Hawes get a little more experience before he's put into the unenviable position of being a starting center in the NBA.
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Is this coming from your insider information or personal opinion? I'm not eager to have Hawes thrown into a situation he can't handle either, but I'd really like to come into this season with a complete fresh start, especially if it means bringing in some more young talent.
 
This is some of the funniest stuff I ever read, how did I miss this?
 
We all know that GP prefers to have a 14 - not 15 - man roster, mainly for trade flexibility.

I can't see them trading Brad Miller, he's still a vital piece of the Kings offense and only has two years left on his contract.

The questions is: Is GP banking on a SAR retirement, KT buyout (which is getting to a point of "just let his contract run its course"), or possibly including Douby in the Houston trade? It'll be interesting to see...
 
Löwenherz said:
Is this coming from your insider information or personal opinion? I'm not eager to have Hawes thrown into a situation he can't handle either, but I'd really like to come into this season with a complete fresh start, especially if it means bringing in some more young talent.
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I suspect its from personal preference, although the tea leaves could be read, as they always can, to suggest Geoff will go back to sleep now again.

The thing about "oh gee, Hawes isn't ready to start", is if we are talking getting Noah back -- you start Noah He started half the season last year. The numbers weren't amazing or anything -- 9.2pts 7.3rebs 1.4ast 1.2stl 1.2blk on 52% shooting in 28 min per -- but solid enough for a rookie, or a fill in patch for us while Hawes continues to grow.

Nobody is suggesting we take Brad out into a field and shoot him as our means of getting rid of him. The current round of suggestions all surround the acquisition of another much younger, much cheaper, big back in return for him. Hawes starts. Noah starts. Thompson starts. Nice problem/option to have.
 
I think opening day (as it stands now) will look like this.

1.Beno/Jackson/Brown
2.Martin/Cisco/Douby
3.Salmons/Greene
4.Moore/Thompson/SAR/Williams/KT
5.hawes/(thompson)/Miller

Stay on the phone GP!!!
 
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