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Nobody is suggesting we take Brad out into a field and shoot him as our means of getting rid of him.
Now KT on the other hand.........

Nobody is suggesting we take Brad out into a field and shoot him as our means of getting rid of him.
We've kinda digressed a bit what with 48 ft HD TV's and all.
I added on the original thread on page-1 an interesting item from the NBA about how rosters are set under the new CBA: 12 active and 1 inactive is minimum and 3 inactive maximum.
GP tends to carry 14 with SAR and KT being the 2 inactive leaving a roster of only 12 active players. As indicated Kings have 15 contracts now with SAR & KT. So any more trades that are 1 for 2 don't make sense. That said, I don't think Brad is going anywhere unless it is 1 for 1 with draft choices but at $12M that is hard to imagine.
Even if SAR retires and they have to keep KT, I don't see adding any more contracts being right at the Luxury tax threshold as it is. So again i contend GP may be done dealing unless something too good to pass up comes along (and don't see that either).
We've kinda digressed a bit what with 48 ft HD TV's and all.
I added on the original thread on page-1 an interesting item from the NBA about how rosters are set under the new CBA: 12 active and 1 inactive is minimum and 3 inactive maximum.
GP tends to carry 14 with SAR and KT being the 2 inactive leaving a roster of only 12 active players. As indicated Kings have 15 contracts now with SAR & KT. So any more trades that are 1 for 2 don't make sense. That said, I don't think Brad is going anywhere unless it is 1 for 1 with draft choices but at $12M that is hard to imagine.
Even if SAR retires and they have to keep KT, I don't see adding any more contracts being right at the Luxury tax threshold as it is. So again i contend GP may be done dealing unless something too good to pass up comes along (and don't see that either).
I'm going to make a bold prediction here ..
Shelden Williams will be the starting PF for at least half of the year ( first half .. )
Yikes, what a depressing and fruitless proposition. JT already looked better than him in the summer league, and that's his first experience against that competition versus Shelden's third time around. JT was stationed much of his time out of position on the wing and away from many of the gimme rebounds, alllowing Shelden to spend all his time in the post, and their production still came out even. As far as the skills and tools JT showed versus Shelden, there's no contest. If they're close in production at the moment, JT is going to blow past him in no time with a little experience.
I'm going to make a bold prediction here ..
Shelden Williams will be the starting PF for at least half of the year ( first half .. )
I believe he will start while miller is out and Moore at Center, when miller comes back shelden will have played better than moore for those five games and keep the PF spot while miller moves into starting center sending Mikki to the bench.
Its crunch time for shelden williams, He played very solid in the summer league .. I think he was our best rebounder and averaged a double double. His game compliments miller and hawes the best out of our bigs , he's the only real banger i see on this team.
We need to see what he's got and he's not a rookie anymore .. he's almost reached vet status so him starting over mikki wouldnt be that big of a deal .. in other words he's been around enough to get his shot ..
That's partially correct. A similar thing happened with Darius Miles. The Blazers had a doctor appointed by the NBA and the Players' Association determine that Miles had a career-ending injury. Thus, the Blazers have to pay him, but his salary won't count toward their team salary. However, Miles hasn't officially retired, and Miles plays at least 10 games any time over the next two seasons, his salary goes back onto the teams' books. If SAR were to simply retire due to injury, I believe that he would continue to count toward the team salary if the Kings did not go through this process.I'm probably late to the table with this one, but I believe that if a player retires because of medical reasons, he is still paid what is due to him, but his salary doesn't count against the cap. I haven't looked it up, but if someone knows for sure, I would appreciate the info.
That's partially correct. A similar thing happened with Darius Miles. The Blazers had a doctor appointed by the NBA and the Players' Association determine that Miles had a career-ending injury. Thus, the Blazers have to pay him, but his salary won't count toward their team salary. However, Miles hasn't officially retired, and Miles plays at least 10 games any time over the next two seasons, his salary goes back onto the teams' books. If SAR were to simply retire due to injury, I believe that he would continue to count toward the team salary if the Kings did not go through this process.
I think that Williams has proven that he can be nothing more than possibly a good PF/C off the bench. I am hoping he can be that guy off the bench that comes in for a few rebounds, and 6 fouls (the kind that count).
I thought that Thompson showed in the Summer League that he was already a more skilled player and just needs experience. If his learning curve is high, he should blow right past Williams during training camp. And hopefully Moore sometime during the season.
And Douby looked incredible in the summer league too ..
My point wasnt that Williams is better than JT, I think JT will be the better player down the road and could easily be the better player now but a coach tends to lean towards giving the minutes to the player whos been in the nba the longer amount of time ( theus deffinetly doesnt like playing his young guys .. ) My point was that shelden will start because ..
A) He's better than Mikki .. ( who isnt .. )
B) He's been in the league longer than JT ( paid his dues on the bench .. )
C) We need to see what he's made of
C.2) His style of play looks to fit better with miller and hawes at the moment
Yeah, thats correct. The Kings would have to apply for a career ending injury release. Then I think its just a matter of league doctors confirming that he's unable to play because of the injury and, wa la, he won't count against the cap. I would think that there's a better than even chance that he retires because of the injury.
yeah now that I typed it all out I can see how Jason Thompson would be a nightmare to play with. Who needs guys like that we should trade him to Philly for some moveable pieaces.![]()
I don't think it matters to the Maloofs if his salary counts against the cap or not. They still have to pay him, and I doubt they want to spend any extra money at this point, at least not until that contract runs out.
I don't think it matters to the Maloofs if his salary counts against the cap or not. They still have to pay him, and I doubt they want to spend any extra money at this point, at least not until that contract runs out.
There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary.
If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
Houston retired for medical reasons - a chronic knee injury - so the N.B.A.'s insurance carrier will pay 80 percent of his remaining salary, or $32 million over the next two seasons. The Knicks will pay the other $8 million.
My point wasnt that Williams is better than JT, I think JT will be the better player down the road and could easily be the better player now but a coach tends to lean towards giving the minutes to the player whos been in the nba the longer amount of time ( theus deffinetly doesnt like playing his young guys .. ) My point was that shelden will start because ..
A) He's better than Mikki .. ( who isnt .. )
B) He's been in the league longer than JT ( paid his dues on the bench .. )
C) We need to see what he's made of
C.2) His style of play looks to fit better with miller and hawes at the moment
I don't think it matters to the Maloofs if his salary counts against the cap or not. They still have to pay him, and I doubt they want to spend any extra money at this point, at least not until that contract runs out.
I'm going to make a bold prediction here ..
Shelden Williams will be the starting PF for at least half of the year ( first half .. )
I believe he will start while miller is out and Moore at Center, when miller comes back shelden will have played better than moore for those five games and keep the PF spot while miller moves into starting center sending Mikki to the bench.
Its crunch time for shelden williams, He played very solid in the summer league .. I think he was our best rebounder and averaged a double double. His game compliments miller and hawes the best out of our bigs , he's the only real banger i see on this team.
We need to see what he's got and he's not a rookie anymore .. he's almost reached vet status so him starting over mikki wouldnt be that big of a deal .. in other words he's been around enough to get his shot ..
1.Beno/Jackson/Brown 2.Martin/Cisco/Douby 3.Salmons/Cisco/Greene 4.Moore/Thompson/Williams/SAR/KT 5.Miller/Hawes/Thompson
Moving Miller could be too much a change and result in 2 more years to get where we are at the moment. Brad has trade value but can't see moving him until we know Hawes is ready to move in to start and that may or may not be by trade deadline. If BJax can spark off the bench and push Douby and Garcia to the next level, then great.
Otherwise Kings stand pat and with this bunch see if they can get to second round then make life tough for someone and if they mesh then 09-10 can deja vu 2000, 2001 all over again.
If JT doesn't get more minutes than Shelden, we're in deeeep trouble...
Which is what?
My point was, we trade Brad now and the Kings spend 2 more years getting back to this point, and with what would be a really, really young team with no proven leader, delaying progress maybe that long. Hawes is just not ready to assume the 5 spot full time with a raw rookie or Mikki as backup.
Sorry that im not completely ready to right them off .. I havent seen either of them play nearly enough to do that and when I do see them play they play pretty good, at least compared to the starter ( in williams case, sorry but mikki moore is terrible, worst hands I can remember .. )
But even if we only get back to the same point, we do it with a center who is then 22 years old instead of 34. That's the whole point of rebuilding rather than trying to hold the line of sub-mediocrity.