They say you can never go back, and so for that reason, I don't want Dalembert. Hill, while a nice player with maybe some upside left, isn't much of a shotblocker, but he can do a little bit of defense and offense. The two that I would be interested in are Udoh and Davis. Davis probably has the most upside, but is probably a tougher get. Udoh should be a player that we could get for the right price. Don't know what that price is, but I don't imagine it would be that high.
Shot Blockers. We need one.
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Immediately or potentially? If found through the draft, that would be a tall order in the immediate. I agree with Glenn that Adams might be the answer were looking for, but it will take some time. Its a matter of whether we're always looking to fix our problems with someone else's player, or whether we're willing to develop our own. Whick takes a little time. Ibaka didn't come into this league and immediately do what he's doing now.
Adams is a very good athlete. I saw him a lot this year because I had high expectations. Obviously I was disappointed at first. But as the season went on, several things became apparent. I saw games where he defended the pick and roll, did the obligatory show on the PG and still got back to his man to defend the basket with ease, many times blocking a shot in the progress. I was impressed with his instincts, and anticipation, things you can't teach, but when paired with teaching, can turn a player like Adams into a great defensive player. I'm biased, I like him a lot! And there's no guarantee he'll ever be what I think he can be. But I wouldn't bet against him.
I've been watching him all year. Like I said he's a good player. He has good understanding of the game, passes well and finishes well around the rim but to say he's got a sophisticated offensive game is stretching it if you ask me.
But of course, you think he is the Spurs defensive anchor and not Tim Duncan, so who am I to argue. Sheesh.
But of course, you think he is the Spurs defensive anchor and not Tim Duncan, so who am I to argue. Sheesh.
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I think this draft could deliver at least 2-3 legit shot blockers in the NBA within 2-3 seasons.
We're in a very good position here to get one of those guys.
Better not waste this chance.
Otherwise, I would really hope PDA pulls some ties with Denver and bring McGee to the Kings.
The kid is starting to grow some brains under Karl. He'll be fun to watch with DMC.
We're in a very good position here to get one of those guys.
Better not waste this chance.
Otherwise, I would really hope PDA pulls some ties with Denver and bring McGee to the Kings.
The kid is starting to grow some brains under Karl. He'll be fun to watch with DMC.
Are the Maloofs responsible for us drafting Jimmer instead of Biyombo?
Kings in - Biyombo, Sessions
Kings out - Thornton, future 2nd rd pick
I'm not convinced that Udoh would be the best fit. I don't think he has top tier shot blocking ability. If we already have Cousins, Patterson, Evans, Thomas, Fredette and small forward to be named that can sufficiently shoot the 3 then we don't need or even want a power forward that can score X amount of points and has a nice midrange game. We need a 1 dimensional specialist which is why I mention guys like Biyombo and Stiemsma.
Kings in - Biyombo, Sessions
Kings out - Thornton, future 2nd rd pick
I'm not convinced that Udoh would be the best fit. I don't think he has top tier shot blocking ability. If we already have Cousins, Patterson, Evans, Thomas, Fredette and small forward to be named that can sufficiently shoot the 3 then we don't need or even want a power forward that can score X amount of points and has a nice midrange game. We need a 1 dimensional specialist which is why I mention guys like Biyombo and Stiemsma.
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I would actually argue the reverse, that we're not in good position to get a legit shotblocker in this draft. Two guys who may turn into legit shotblockers, Noel and Len, will be gone before we pick. Three others (Gobert, Dieng and Withey) are pretty much one-dimensional guys and simply do not represent good value at the 7th pick relative to other players available. That leaves Steven Adams, who might actually live up to value at the #7, but is a long-term project on a team looking to inject some wins now.
Maybe we'll find a guy who slips or a surprise gem in the second round, but our first rounder probably goes to Burke/Zeller/Mohammed/McCollum if the draft goes as expected above us.
Maybe we'll find a guy who slips or a surprise gem in the second round, but our first rounder probably goes to Burke/Zeller/Mohammed/McCollum if the draft goes as expected above us.
Depending on the direction we go, I'd be very open to trading Thompson or Patterson for something, signing Okafor for a year or 2 max.. (2 years, 10 mil), and drafting Adams.
Wouldn't be my first option. I'd love Henson, but it seems like a very realistic option that has a pretty low risk. Short term, veteran pick up. He'll start some nights and play 30+ minutes, some nights less than 20. Kendrick Perkins esque.
Wouldn't be my first option. I'd love Henson, but it seems like a very realistic option that has a pretty low risk. Short term, veteran pick up. He'll start some nights and play 30+ minutes, some nights less than 20. Kendrick Perkins esque.
From listening to both Malone and Vivek, they don't seem to be setting the bar high as far as wins and losses go. They are speaking more to changing how things are done. Both in the front office, and on the floor. So if I'm hearing them properly, they're not expecting to make the playoffs, or make a huge jump in wins. Not that they wouldn't be happy if it happened, but they're more interested in laying down the foundation for the future. If thats true, then I say draft Adams and let him develop. Let him play half the season in the D-League if neccessary. If you can bring in Okafor for a couple of years while he develops, fine!
Of course if they don't bring in Adams for a look see, then thats not likely to happen. So we'll see! As you know, I've never been a big fan of Henson's. My biggest issue with him has always been the same. Lack of bulk and strength. I wouldn't turn him down, but at the same time, I don't want to give up anything I value for him either. I like Udoh, but I do think he's somewhat limited in what he can do. If gotten cheap enough, I'd like to see if there's anything more there. Everyone loves Sanders, but Sanders didn't exactly tear it up when he came into the league. So you never know. Udoh was a good shotblocker at Baylor, and he defended the pick and roll well. He was a decent, but not great rebounder. An area that I think he has the potential to improve.
By the way, in the event that Len drops for some reason, I take him and go home happy.
Of course if they don't bring in Adams for a look see, then thats not likely to happen. So we'll see! As you know, I've never been a big fan of Henson's. My biggest issue with him has always been the same. Lack of bulk and strength. I wouldn't turn him down, but at the same time, I don't want to give up anything I value for him either. I like Udoh, but I do think he's somewhat limited in what he can do. If gotten cheap enough, I'd like to see if there's anything more there. Everyone loves Sanders, but Sanders didn't exactly tear it up when he came into the league. So you never know. Udoh was a good shotblocker at Baylor, and he defended the pick and roll well. He was a decent, but not great rebounder. An area that I think he has the potential to improve.
By the way, in the event that Len drops for some reason, I take him and go home happy.
I don't disagree with you here at all (aside from the Henson opinion, of course!). I'd be very happy with Len, however recent reports are suggesting he could go as high as #1 .. I think he is slowly entering that Noel, McLemore, Porter, Oladipo, group that just isn't going to drop to us.
One thing I've been meaning to mention somewhere that I will add here just because is this .... We may not be as far away as Vivek and co. think. And it's not just us! The WC is getting worse. We could make a splash next season by accident.
If the Spurs win the title Manu and Duncan could retire. Denver is a mess right now with Iggy opting out, the coach, GM, and assistant GM all gone. Memphis just lost their coach. Golden State is in a bad spot with the cap and could lose Jack and Landry. Lakers are in a weird spot with the Kobe injury. And I like the Kings potential as much as any other western conference team that didn't make the playoffs last year.
That is why I'd go after Okafor... I want this team to go for it. He'd be a short term help, but I think he WOULD help. And if Iggy actually does come here? We are in the mix for 8. We'd have to be. I don't go for Okafor on his own, but if we see the WC continue to crumble, and we make some other moves inching us closer and closer, then I'm giving Okafor's agent a call. Short term defensive glue guy while Adams or whoever we draft develops. And if Adams is better day one then fine, play him. Okafor would be on short years and money anyway.
I think that has to do more with setting the bar low and exceeding expectations. I don't believe for a second that they don't expect to make a huge jump in wins. If what they're saying about culture change and this team being extremely talented, then with a positive change in culture, coaching and the absence of uncertainty that was hanging over this team's head, maybe that's all it takes to finally get us to start winning games.
Efficiency you say... Btw does Chris Andersen have a sophisticated offensive game? Splitter just hits open layups created by every other player on the team. I know our guy
s can't even do that at times but that hardly equates to having a good offensive game. Whatever man you're the knowitall and we are all just dumb idiots to you. I'm not even sure you've ever watched the guy play or you're just looking at your "stats". He does pass well as I've said, but so does Chuck Hayes.
s can't even do that at times but that hardly equates to having a good offensive game. Whatever man you're the knowitall and we are all just dumb idiots to you. I'm not even sure you've ever watched the guy play or you're just looking at your "stats". He does pass well as I've said, but so does Chuck Hayes.
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The problem with project (late first round, 2nd round picks) is they take a long time to develop - they are usually 2nd contract guys. Kings already have Cole Aldridge - a perfect example of a 2nd contract guy on their roster. I hope they just stick with him as a defensive big off the bench for the next few seasons.
If Gobert did fall to the 2nd, I'd love to stash him for a few seasons.
If Gobert did fall to the 2nd, I'd love to stash him for a few seasons.
