Sheldon Williams

[CruzDude]

how does eligibilty work. Because 2 years ago Ron Artest played in the summer league. and Francisco Garcia played in his third summer league this past summer.

Ahhh, you know what? I think I got a brain freeze. It is the D-League that drafted rookies can only be sent to for two years. Your right. I remember in the Rocky Mountain Review seeing Oliver Miller play in his 8th year in the league. But he was different. A really good 4 who at 6-8 could not stay below 320 very long and ate his way out of the league.

Anyway, maybe we can see Williams and Hawes play together in the summer. Not same level of play but Shelden needs to get his confidence up to an NBA level. I'd like to see Caner-Medley there too!! He is a very good 3 at 6-8 and 240 and top notch 3 shooter.

 

[upinsmoke]

I liked some of his post moves last night showed alot of power. Im still not convinced we should keep him though.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

what i saw in shelden is a bruiser in the paint. he uses his body and punishes the opponent. if he continues to do that, he will wear out the opposing defender. did you see when he went to the rack against pau? bump, bump bump and he was at the rim. i was pissed when theus took him out.

 

[Gary]

I am a huge Shelden Williams fan, and watched him late last year when he got time in Atlanta, and also saw a lot of him at Duke.

The problem with Williams is that I think he has reached his ceiling. I don't think we are going to get much more from him other than a Corliss Williamson overpowering type inside offense which he has shown us, and some rebounding (which Corliss didn't have). I just don't think Williams can improve much from what he is now, and I don't think he will make anyone around him better.

Watching Moore the whole season I can see why Theus has started him. Moore is the best we have even with Williams, and (Justin) Williams. Reason is that Moore knows his role, and does not get in the way of the offense. Mikki is a good teammate, and is energetic on the floor pumping the others up. BUT Moore is not the future, and should be at best a bench/energy player or spot starter when C/PF are injured.

 

[bench_blob]

I have been pretty critical of this guy since Day 1, and I'd say deservedly so.

No energy, lethargic, below average skills in every area.

It took him what 30 odd games before making his first decent move as a member of the Kings last night on the up and under post move "and one".

I think he bricked the free throw, though. The game was over by then, I wasn't really paying attention.

Here's the deal: Coach Theus did say the guy is "overweight". Read: Fat. Now we all know Brad Miller transformed his game and became and new player this year by shedding the excess pounds.

If he can lose 20 to 25 pounds, gain some quickness around the hole, and 3 to 5 inches of vertical to his jump, develop an offensive move beside a lay-up, then we could be looking at a new player next year.

 

[bench_blob]

I am a huge Shelden Williams fan, and watched him late last year when he got time in Atlanta, and also saw a lot of him at Duke.

The problem with Williams is that I think he has reached his ceiling. I don't think we are going to get much more from him other than a Corliss Williamson overpowering type inside offense which he has shown us, and some rebounding (which Corliss didn't have). I just don't think Williams can improve much from what he is now, and I don't think he will make anyone around him better.

Watching Moore the whole season I can see why Theus has started him. Moore is the best we have even with Williams, and (Justin) Williams. Reason is that Moore knows his role, and does not get in the way of the offense. Mikki is a good teammate, and is energetic on the floor pumping the others up. BUT Moore is not the future, and should be at best a bench/energy player or spot starter when C/PF are injured.

He could only wish to be half as good as Corliss!! Corliss was 6th man of the year in his prime, and uncanny at scoring over bigger players. No way Sheldon has shown even 1/100th of Big Nasty offensive skills.

And you are contradicting yourself too. How are you a huge fan of a guy you claim has already hit the ceiling? Do you like guys who stink?!

Shelden Williams is a very questionable talent at this point, but even I am willing to give him a summer before giving up on the guy. Maybe he will realize his career could be over soon and will start playing w/ a little passion.

 

[fnordius]

How are you a huge fan of a guy you claim has already hit the ceiling?

Probably the same way he can be a fan of a team that hit its ceiling hard a few years ago, and has been headed for the floor ever since.

"Fan" does not always equal "homer with wildly unrealistic expectations."

 

[Gary]

He could only wish to be half as good as Corliss!! Corliss was 6th man of the year in his prime, and uncanny at scoring over bigger players. No way Sheldon has shown even 1/100th of Big Nasty offensive skills.

And you are contradicting yourself too. How are you a huge fan of a guy you claim has already hit the ceiling? Do you like guys who stink?!

Shelden Williams is a very questionable talent at this point, but even I am willing to give him a summer before giving up on the guy. Maybe he will realize his career could be over soon and will start playing w/ a little passion.

That's not a contradicting statement. If I said I am a huge fan then say I am not a fan that's contradiction. I said I am a fan, but I think he has hit his ceiling. Nowhere did I say he stunk.. Those are your words.

I am willing to give the guy another year, because he has not been able to work his way into this years lineup, but he has shown in Sacramento, Atlanta, and Duke the same exact type of play with virtually no improvement. He looks like the same player coming out of college as we see here. That's not going to cut it. He will need to show something else, or some commitment. And the Corliss reference was re; inside play, w/ a mid-range jump shot. Corliss was more consistent though in his later years.

 

[reyes13]

Hey...I wouldn't mind keeping him around for cheap. He looked alright last night in the post. Hopefully he'll get his game more polished up though.

 

[bench_blob]

That's not a contradicting statement. If I said I am a huge fan then say I am not a fan that's contradiction. I said I am a fan, but I think he has hit his ceiling. Nowhere did I say he stunk.. Those are your words.

I am willing to give the guy another year, because he has not been able to work his way into this years lineup, but he has shown in Sacramento, Atlanta, and Duke the same exact type of play with virtually no improvement. He looks like the same player coming out of college as we see here. That's not going to cut it. He will need to show something else, or some commitment. And the Corliss reference was re; inside play, w/ a mid-range jump shot. Corliss was more consistent though in his later years.

Your post lacks a coherent line of reasoning. How can you compare a guy you claim has hit the ceiling to a guy who had a really, really good career like Big Nasty? If you are going to draw the comparison, then you are basically saying Shelden Williams can be a 15 point 6 rebound guy for 7-8 years, and be an integral part of a winning rotation.

How can a guy who has hit the ceiling be that player? And how can you be a fan of said player?

I am not trying to give you a hard time, I just do not follow your logic.

Personally, I am a fan of guys like Garcia and K-Mart and Draino Beno, guys who hustle their butts off, have definable skills, and potential to be even better. These are guys who have earned my respect. To include Shelden Williams in that mix cheapens the meaning of "fan".

 

[Gary]

Your post lacks a coherent line of reasoning. How can you compare a guy you claim has hit the ceiling to a guy who had a really, really good career like Big Nasty? If you are going to draw the comparison, then you are basically saying Shelden Williams can be a 15 point 6 rebound guy for 7-8 years, and be an integral part of a winning rotation.

How can a guy who has hit the ceiling be that player? And how can you be a fan of said player?

I am not trying to give you a hard time, I just do not follow your logic.

Personally, I am a fan of guys like Garcia and K-Mart and Draino Beno, guys who hustle their butts off, have definable skills, and potential to be even better. These are guys who have earned my respect. To include Shelden Williams in that mix cheapens the meaning of "fan".

I said their inside play is similar to Corliss which it is. they are both power players who use strength to get position. That's where I drew the similarities. Plus in college against lesser opponents Shelden drew a lot of comparisons for his inside play to that of Corliss when he was still playing in Detroit. I never said Shelden will average 15 points, and 6 boards. I have no idea why you are taking me comparing someones inside moves to another player as saying they will average the same stats, and have the same career.. You are reading too much into what I am saying..

Corliss Williamson overpowering type offense

And the Corliss reference was re; inside play

My being a fan of Shelden Williams goes back to his sophomore year at Duke, and just because I am not satisfied of how his NBA career has turned out YET does not make me any less of a fan. Good or bad I will still be a fan of his.. I have a hard time understanding why you say you cannot be a fan of someone that isn't good... Please explain?

 

[bench_blob]

I have a hard time understanding why you say you cannot be a fan of someone that isn't good... Please explain?

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

Personally, I have higher standards of players of whom I would call a fan. Call me crazy, but I like LeBron James.

Look, I don't like to see fans, teams and GMs attach false hope to a guy who has nothing to offer. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a draft bust (so far to date) is going to lead us to where we want to go as a team. Last night was embarassing to get schooled on our home court by our so-called rival. Shelden Williams could barely finish a lay-up, and jump more than 3 inches off the floor, let alone positively effect the outcome of the game.

I just don't understand being a fan of his game. Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement. Sorry.

 

[BMiller52]

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

Personally, I have higher standards of players of whom I would call a fan. Call me crazy, but I like LeBron James.

Look, I don't like to see fans, teams and GMs attach false hope to a guy who has nothing to offer. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a draft bust (so far to date) is going to lead us to where we want to go as a team. Last night was embarassing to get schooled on our home court by our so-called rival. Shelden Williams could barely finish a lay-up, and jump more than 3 inches off the floor, let alone positively effect the outcome of the game.

I just don't understand being a fan of his game. Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement. Sorry.

lmao I thought he actually did well last night, but I didn't see most of the 1st half. I thought he played well in the 4th quarter.

 

[Gary]

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

Personally, I have higher standards of players of whom I would call a fan. Call me crazy, but I like LeBron James.

Look, I don't like to see fans, teams and GMs attach false hope to a guy who has nothing to offer. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a draft bust (so far to date) is going to lead us to where we want to go as a team. Last night was embarassing to get schooled on our home court by our so-called rival. Shelden Williams could barely finish a lay-up, and jump more than 3 inches off the floor, let alone positively effect the outcome of the game.

I just don't understand being a fan of his game. Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement. Sorry.

Oh please... Quit being stupid.. I have been a fan of his since his sophomore year at Duke, and I am not going to stop being a fan because he isn't as good as expected...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

Personally, I have higher standards of players of whom I would call a fan. Call me crazy, but I like LeBron James.

Look, I don't like to see fans, teams and GMs attach false hope to a guy who has nothing to offer. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a draft bust (so far to date) is going to lead us to where we want to go as a team. Last night was embarassing to get schooled on our home court by our so-called rival. Shelden Williams could barely finish a lay-up, and jump more than 3 inches off the floor, let alone positively effect the outcome of the game.

I just don't understand being a fan of his game. Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement. Sorry.

he might not be the savior of this franchise but it's refreshing to see a low post player in a kings jersey do what he did to pau in the paint. sheldon took it to him even tho pau had several inches over him. i'm curious why ppl are burying him when he hasn't had a chance with solid consistent minutes. it isn't like we have a star PF in front of him. let the guys play and see what happens. what do really have to lose???

 

[kennadog]

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

You do know that can't happen, right?

 

[Warhawk]

Maybe when he gets demoted to the D-League you can go buy his jersey?

Personally, I have higher standards of players of whom I would call a fan. Call me crazy, but I like LeBron James.

Look, I don't like to see fans, teams and GMs attach false hope to a guy who has nothing to offer. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a draft bust (so far to date) is going to lead us to where we want to go as a team. Last night was embarassing to get schooled on our home court by our so-called rival. Shelden Williams could barely finish a lay-up, and jump more than 3 inches off the floor, let alone positively effect the outcome of the game.

I just don't understand being a fan of his game. Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement. Sorry.

You are joking, right?

I am a fan of several players that aren't stars. Doug Christie being one. Scot Pollard. Francisco.

These guys are, in all likelihood, not going to get into the HOF, but I am still a fan because of how they played, not necessarily the result.

I strongly suggest you also quit trying to put down posters because of who they choose to like and root for. What makes you think you are a better judge of that? Fair warning.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I watched primarily the 4th quarter of that game, and what I saw from Shelden was a mixed bag. I saw some semblances of an inside-outside game; he hit a corner jumper during our 10-0 run in the 4th quarter, and he bullied his way over Ronny Turiaf for a layup and-1 as well. There were also a couple of chippy plays I thought he missed--a tip-in, a shot in which he was too far under the basket that he missed everything. His rebounding left some to be desired--he was getting offensive boards only today, only 1 defensive board. For the most part though I thought he played within his limitations, and did a solid job. I thought that his lack of height and earthbound limitations did prevent him from getting some of those layups and tip-ins, but he's clearly full of strength and can bang with the best of them. Nice free throw stroke too. Currently, at this stage, I'd say he's slightly above average offensively for a big man, and slightly above average defensively. Nothing special, but a role player who can continue to grow with us.

 

[fnordius]

Unless you are a fan of mediocrity and classic underachievement.

Hey, remember who you're talking to.

We're Kings fans, not Celtics bandwagoneers. Of course we like ballplayers who aren't objectively the best.

 

[Entity]

I don't agreee with all of bench's comments but, I do notice one thing. Sheldon doesn't seem to have that extra gear, the intangibles or the hustle that we need in the position he is in. Now Justin Willams didn't have the offensive game nor the strength on defense that Sheldon has. Yet When Justin was in the game you knew he was in the game he tried every single possession to rebound, block, get the loose ball just plain put it all out there. This time last year Justin was getting the same number of minutes and he was putting up double doubles just off hustle.

Now if Sheldon takes his skill and gets the lead out his *** and try to be the player he CAN be then he could be a part of the future of the Kings be it off the bench or whatever. Until he does those things I for one will not question why he isn't playing more that what he is becuae I imagine the coaches see the same thing I see everyday.

 

[Gary]

Now if Sheldon takes his skill and gets the lead out his *** and try to be the player he CAN be then he could be a part of the future of the Kings be it off the bench or whatever. Until he does those things I for one will not question why he isn't playing more that what he is becuae I imagine the coaches see the same thing I see everyday.

That's what I was trying to say but that guy was just being a......... I have been watching Shelden for a few years now, and he has played this this type of game (what you see is what you get) whole time. That's why I had made that statement that he might have reached his ceiling. It was good enough for college because he got the minutes, and just dominated with strength alone, but in the NBA where you need to step up your game he just hasn't. Can he though? Not sure, because he hasn't shown ME any real improvement from college. I am still a fan of his, and I do hope he finds that niche and starts to step it up. He's about as "blue collar" as they get. I am surprised he doesn't have a metal lunch box with him on the bench, and a hard hat.

 

[BMiller52]

That's what I was trying to say but that guy was just being a......... I have been watching Shelden for a few years now, and he has played this this type of game (what you see is what you get) whole time. That's why I had made that statement that he might have reached his ceiling. It was good enough for college because he got the minutes, and just dominated with strength alone, but in the NBA where you need to step up your game he just hasn't. Can he though? Not sure, because he hasn't shown ME any real improvement from college. I am still a fan of his, and I do hope he finds that niche and starts to step it up. He's about as "blue collar" as they get. I am surprised he doesn't have a metal lunch box with him on the bench, and a hard hat.

He has been popping in some mid range Js lately, and he had a couple nice post moves vs Gasol last night. I'm not saying he's our PF of the future(you know I want us to draft Darrel Arthur) but I honestly don't think it's fair to close the book on him. He could be a nice 3rd big who gives us toughness or he could turn into something more, he just started getting minutes and it's only his 2nd season in the NBA. In ATL he was stuck behind Josh Smith at PF and this year he was stuck behind Smith AND Horford(at times anyway since Horford actually plays C most of the time, but Smith is a 40 MPG guy basically). He hasn't really gotten a shot, we need to actually see what he can do and give him an offseason with Reggie and Geoff developing him(which is similar to something Reggie said a week or so ago, that he needs the offseason to develop and get in shape) the right way.

 

[Kingster]

I've seen enough of Sheldon W. to make a judgement: He's not a player. Certainly, he's not a starter. He's the third pf coming off the bench, maybe the 2nd if he can improve. Forget all the talk about his size. He doesn't play big. He doesn't finish well, he doesn't rebound well, he doesn't defend all that well. He can hit an open outside J, Big deal. Petrie should just let him go and get on with life...

 

[kennadog]

......and he bullied his way over Ronny Turiaf for a layup and-1 as well.

I could have kissed him for that! I don't like Turiaf.

 

[bajaden]

I've seen enough of Sheldon W. to make a judgement: He's not a player. Certainly, he's not a starter. He's the third pf coming off the bench, maybe the 2nd if he can improve. Forget all the talk about his size. He doesn't play big. He doesn't finish well, he doesn't rebound well, he doesn't defend all that well. He can hit an open outside J, Big deal. Petrie should just let him go and get on with life...

Big men take longer to develop. I'm not saying that Sheldon is going to be a great player in this league, but he really hasn't had enough time to pass judgement on. The Warriors gave up on Parrish after two years. Ben Wallace wasn't great shakes after two years. Our own Brad Miller had to pay his dues for a while. The list is long with players that looked like they might be busts after a year or two.

 

[ESP47]

Sheldon's offense has been really good as of late. Hes been getting around 6 rebounds and 9ppg for the last week or so in 20min/g. Not to mention he's been muscling guys around down low. Hopefully he can get at least 25min a game next year so we can see what he can do.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

He does alot of muscling around which really wears the opponents down on both ends of the court..you can see they dont like going up against shelden. i notice we go on most of our big runs when Sheldon is in the game. he already looks like a solid bench guy ill give him the offseason too develop and get in shape before i make a decision on his place with this team.
He needs too loose some weight and try and work on his quickness a bit plyometrics training would really help sheldons case i think.

 

[Spike]

I'm convinced that Sheldon should remain with the Kings...





as a bench player. He gives solid effort, and with a good offseason, might show some improvements. The Kings starting PF needs to come via draft/trade. SW seems like a nice enough guy, but I don't think he'll be the starting PF.

 

[Warhawk]

he already looks like a solid bench guy ill give him the offseason too develop and get in shape before i make a decision on his place with this team.

This is where I fall as well. Give the guy a training camp with the team and see how everything shakes out. He's young, cheap, and at least somewhat talented. He gets a few rebounds. Let him develop a bit more and see what happens....

 

[gunks]

So um...Anyways. I watched the Kings/Lakers game last night. I miss the other Williams.


People always bashed Justin's BB IQ, but damn.......