Shareef's Team???

[floydian]

I was just looking on kings.com and on the players roster it has Shareef Abdur Rahim as the team's sole Captain. I find it kind of weird that Adelman did not go with one of the core players especially since Shareef is so new to the princeton offensive system. It also makes me question Mike Bibby's willingness to take on the burden of being the so called "Team Leader". If I were Mike I would be ticked off with Adelman's decision. But I guess Mike has never been too vocal about his [FONT=&quot]opinions[/FONT]. How do you all feel about this?
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[piksi]

what team ?

 

[bozzwell]

what team ?

piksi in a mid-season form. Pace yourself, piksi or you will burn out.

 

[tyrant]

i would hope not. rahim is playing like garbage.

 

[quick dog]

Mike Bibby undoubtedly refused the title and responsibility of "team captain". If that's true, it then follows that he may be a short-timer, thus explaining his apparent attitude lately.

It all started with Adelman's demand that Mike play defense. He is apparently not up to the challenge.

 

[piksi]

piksi in a mid-season form. Pace yourself, piksi or you will burn out.

7 games into a season - we already lost 5 times. Bad for my biorythm

 

[bozzwell]

Mike Bibby undoubtedly refused the title and responsibility of "team captain". If that's true, it then follows that he may be a short-timer, thus explaining his apparent attitude lately.

It all started with Adelman's demand that Mike play defense. He is apparently not up to the challenge.

Is that something that you're just guessing based on Bibbsters performance so far or you heard/read it somewhere? I'd really like to know.

 

[floydian]

Mike Bibby undoubtedly refused the title and responsibility of "team captain". If that's true, it then follows that he may be a short-timer, thus explaining his apparent attitude lately.

It all started with Adelman's demand that Mike play defense. He is apparently not up to the challenge.

For me this is the only explaination that he refused the title. Why the hell would adelman just name Shareef as the Sole Team Captain without atleast discussing it with Mike.

Even in the days of Vlade and Webber they were co-captains. Its just sad to see Mike didn't even want that title.

 

[allrightythen]

I think it may be the other players who choose the captains, not the coaches, I may be wrong though. Anyone know for sure?

 

[floydian]

I think it may be the other players who choose the captains, not the coaches, I may be wrong though. Anyone know for sure?

I dont know for sure who picks the captain but if it is the player's who choose, then that is even worse that within the team no one sees Mike as a leader.

 

[Bricklayer]

1) saying you are "Reef's team" has been another way of saying "see ya in the lottery" over the years

2) unless Mike was gracious enough to let Reef have the captaincy as a welcoming gesture, I can see very little good that can come of it. If the coaches made the call, Mike resents. If the players made the call, Mike is given a vote of no confidence and its not his team anymore. Either way Mike has an old teammate who who reputedly clashed with, perhaps over leadership at that tie too, come walking onto his (Mike's) team and immediately take the captaincy away from him?

Am hoping their is a benign "let's all be friends" explanation for this.

 

[tyrant]

brad miller has soley been the most efficient player on this roster. he should be the team captain.

 

[allrightythen]

I dont know for sure who picks the captain but if it is the player's who choose, then that is even worse that within the team no one sees Mike as a leader.

It would be great if Mike was a leader but if he doesn't think he is, and his teammates don't think he is, there is really no reason to try and make him one. It would be nice to see someone assert himself to motivate his teammates out there.

 

[floydian]

1) saying you are "Reef's team" has been another way of saying "see ya in the lottery" over the years

2) unless Mike was gracious enough to let Reef have the captaincy as a welcoming gesture, I can see very little good that can come of it. If the coaches made the call, Mike resents. If the players made the call, Mike is given a vote of no confidence and its not his team anymore. Either way Mike has an old teammate who who reputedly clashed with, perhaps over leadership at that tie too, come walking onto his (Mike's) team and immediately take the captaincy away from him?

Am hoping their is a benign "let's all be friends" explanation for this.

I agree with you assesment but on the last point of "let's all be friends" then why not a co-captain between Mike and Shareef (or any combo of the core). There is something weird behind who ever (players or coachs) decided on the team captain especially this early into the season.

 

[CaminoChaos]

i would hope not. rahim is playing like garbage.

As sad as it is, Rahim has been our most consistant player.

 

[quick dog]

brad miller has soley been the most efficient player on this roster. he should be the team captain.

A team captain needs to have leadership skills, some emotion and drive, and command of at least one common language. Brad's out.

 

[piksi]

A team captain needs to have leadership skills, some emotion and drive, and command of at least one common language. Brad's out.

hey he has a good contact with the refs

 

[BMiller52]

I do not see why everybody is so in love with shareef, he gave us 6 turnovers against the KNICKS! Before we got shareef and we had kenny thomas, we were still playing better with a better record than this. We didn't lose to the skinkin knicks! I believe we have the curse of SARS, or Shareef Abdur Rahim Syndrome. Vancouver=terrible with him, didn't take them long to get good with out him. Atlanta=terrible with him and without him. Portland=perenial playoff team, 21 straight playoff years were SNAPPED when they brought him in, now they are looking not so bad again. Kings=perenial playoff team over the last 7 or so years, we bring in Reef and we are BAD. Reef makes Mike mad because last game Reef was clearly yelling at him on the court and Reef got two technicals which basically put the nail in the coffin. Not only that but he has no desire to win, he says he wants to be a winner but he doesn't take over games or want to carry his team down the stretch. He has the speed of a pf in the body of a SF. His "post game" is just a bunch of gnarly spins like he thinks he's fatoine porker and manu ginobili that either: wind up as travels, a wierd shot going up and sometimes in, a travel, a shot that gets swiped, or a turnover. He isn't big enough to set good picks or anything like that. Please guys, don't be fooled by Shareef! He is bad, come on Petrie trade him!

 

[playmaker0017]

brad miller has soley been the most efficient player on this roster. he should be the team captain.

In what respect?

He's been a virtual no-show for half the games.

I don't know who should be captain....

 

[SCKingsfan]

I do not see why everybody is so in love with shareef, he gave us 6 turnovers against the KNICKS! Before we got shareef and we had kenny thomas, we were still playing better with a better record than this. We didn't lose to the skinkin knicks! I believe we have the curse of SARS, or Shareef Abdur Rahim Syndrome. Vancouver=terrible with him, didn't take them long to get good with out him. Atlanta=terrible with him and without him. Portland=perenial playoff team, 21 straight playoff years were SNAPPED when they brought him in, now they are looking not so bad again. Kings=perenial playoff team over the last 7 or so years, we bring in Reef and we are BAD. Reef makes Mike mad because last game Reef was clearly yelling at him on the court and Reef got two technicals which basically put the nail in the coffin. Not only that but he has no desire to win, he says he wants to be a winner but he doesn't take over games or want to carry his team down the stretch. He has the speed of a pf in the body of a SF. His "post game" is just a bunch of gnarly spins like he thinks he's fatoine porker and manu ginobili that either: wind up as travels, a wierd shot going up and sometimes in, a travel, a shot that gets swiped, or a turnover. He isn't big enough to set good picks or anything like that. Please guys, don't be fooled by Shareef! He is bad, come on Petrie trade him!

I'll just have to assume you haven't watched games this year - or only the Knick's game. He's been strong and consistent for the most part (this is relative of course). He's carried the team in stretches. Reef's appearance is not the reason we suck - we've pretty much sucked (.500 ball) since the webber trade last year. I fear we don't have the right pieces, not that they are eventually going "gel." The reason we "suck" rather than just playing average is the lack of chemistry and effort.

I don't believe anyone actually expected Reef to carry the squad, rather to be a important piece piece to a new "team." This new collection of players have hardly shown themselves to be that, but if we are going to parcel out blame that this point, there's a whole lot of people on the list before reef. better off with KT? Give me a break -won't even touch that one. that guy is, and will always be, a tweener role player, and we've got enough of them.

 

[LPKingsFan]

In what respect?

He's been a virtual no-show for half the games.

I don't know who should be captain....

Statistically, he has. Whether that matters or not, we'll see.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I do not see why everybody is so in love with shareef, he gave us 6 turnovers against the KNICKS! Before we got shareef and we had kenny thomas, we were still playing better with a better record than this. We didn't lose to the skinkin knicks! I believe we have the curse of SARS, or Shareef Abdur Rahim Syndrome. Vancouver=terrible with him, didn't take them long to get good with out him. Atlanta=terrible with him and without him. Portland=perenial playoff team, 21 straight playoff years were SNAPPED when they brought him in, now they are looking not so bad again. Kings=perenial playoff team over the last 7 or so years, we bring in Reef and we are BAD. Reef makes Mike mad because last game Reef was clearly yelling at him on the court and Reef got two technicals which basically put the nail in the coffin. Not only that but he has no desire to win, he says he wants to be a winner but he doesn't take over games or want to carry his team down the stretch. He has the speed of a pf in the body of a SF. His "post game" is just a bunch of gnarly spins like he thinks he's fatoine porker and manu ginobili that either: wind up as travels, a wierd shot going up and sometimes in, a travel, a shot that gets swiped, or a turnover. He isn't big enough to set good picks or anything like that. Please guys, don't be fooled by Shareef! He is bad, come on Petrie trade him!

Thats a hurtin post. Shareef has been solid my friend, so what if he had 6 turnovers its one game. He's dishing out 4 dimes a game, 9 rebs, and 16 ppg shooting 52 %. Miller, Bibby, and Bonzi all averge more t/o's then him. Nothings wrong with his game or what he brings to the team, its the rest of the team thats not contributing up to par, if anything Shareef looks better then I expected him to look for us. He deserves the captain as of now.

 

[DocHolliday]

What we need right now is an athletic, strong, big, TRUE center. That's a piece that has not been able to be dealt with yet. Hoefully Petrie is scouting that very thing RIGHT now. That and I"m not sure about Bibby. He's a good player, obviously not the best on defense. I think he's bored. I think he may be tired of being here. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. Maybe we do to?

 

[playmaker0017]

Statistically, he has. Whether that matters or not, we'll see.

Statistically, Brad Miller has outperformed Shareef? Is there a new basketball statistic that I'm unaware of?

PPG: Reef - 16.0 Miller - 12.7 (Edge Reef: +3.3)
RPG: Reef - 9.0 Miller - 6.4 (Edge Reef: +2.6)
APG: Reef - 3.9 Miller - 5.1 (Edge Miller: +1.2)
TOG: Reef - 2.0 Miller - 2.6 (Edge Reef: -.6)
A/TO: Reef - 1.9 Miller - 1.9 (Edge Even)
FG%: Reef - 52.9 Miller - 44.1 (Edge Reef: +8.8)
Blk: Reef - .71 Miller - .43 (Edge Reef: +.28)
Stl: Reef - .57 Miller - 1.29 (Edge Miller: +.72)


Okay, so unless you count 1 extra assist (which accounts for nothing extra on A/TO) and less than 1 steal more per game, I just fail to see where Miller has outperformed Reef.

 

[VF21]

Oh ... my...

ANOTHER thread turned into some kind of debate about Reef's ON THE COURT performance?

This started out about the TEAM'S selection of Reef as captain. My guess is that it was done because they wanted someone to bridge the gap between the old and the new. Reef, while new to the team, is a veteran and it's already being shown that he's playing with heart and drive. He's a lot more outgoing and aggressive than Mike.

It is the team's decision and their's alone on who becomes captain. If the team chose Reef, I'm not going to try and outguess them. It was their decision to make and they made it.

Pretty much a non-issue, especially considering everything else they have to deal with.

 

[playmaker0017]

Oh ... my...

ANOTHER thread turned into some kind of debate about Reef's ON THE COURT performance?

No. Someone made the absurd comment that Brad Miller should have been named captain. I asked why and their response was because statistically he's played the best.

I was trying to see how they came to the conclusion.

Personally, I'm been UNDERWHELMED by Shareef so far this season. He can do a LOT more, but is holding back. It's frustrating to watch.

 

[VF21]

I do not see why everybody is so in love with shareef, he gave us 6 turnovers against the KNICKS! Before we got shareef and we had kenny thomas, we were still playing better with a better record than this. We didn't lose to the skinkin knicks! I believe we have the curse of SARS, or Shareef Abdur Rahim Syndrome. Vancouver=terrible with him, didn't take them long to get good with out him. Atlanta=terrible with him and without him. Portland=perenial playoff team, 21 straight playoff years were SNAPPED when they brought him in, now they are looking not so bad again. Kings=perenial playoff team over the last 7 or so years, we bring in Reef and we are BAD. Reef makes Mike mad because last game Reef was clearly yelling at him on the court and Reef got two technicals which basically put the nail in the coffin. Not only that but he has no desire to win, he says he wants to be a winner but he doesn't take over games or want to carry his team down the stretch. He has the speed of a pf in the body of a SF. His "post game" is just a bunch of gnarly spins like he thinks he's fatoine porker and manu ginobili that either: wind up as travels, a wierd shot going up and sometimes in, a travel, a shot that gets swiped, or a turnover. He isn't big enough to set good picks or anything like that. Please guys, don't be fooled by Shareef! He is bad, come on Petrie trade him!

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[VF21]

No. Someone made the absurd comment that Brad Miller should have been named captain. I asked why and their response was because statistically he's played the best.

I was trying to see how they came to the conclusion.

Personally, I'm been UNDERWHELMED by Shareef so far this season. He can do a LOT more, but is holding back. It's frustrating to watch.

...sigh...

Sometimes the best response to something you think is "absurd" is no response whatsoever.

 

[playmaker0017]

...sigh...

Sometimes the best response to something you think is "absurd" is no response whatsoever.

Well, I edited the post after I wrote it. The "absurd" part changed meanings in the rewrite and I didn't notice. The "absurd" was relating to the "statistical" comment - since it WAS "absurd" and grounded in absurdities.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Reef drew the short straw... it's ABUNDANTLY clear that no one on this team WANTS to be the leader.