Sergio Rodriguez...

[hammystyle]

i saw part of the game when they replayed the game, how many euro players are good defenders? krielenko... dirk has his moments, i guess... all of the spanish players are softies... peja can only defend the mavs. maybe its a cultural thing i guess....

Pietrus, Sefolosha, Ersan Ilyasova, Omri Casspi, Andres Nocioni, Ginobili, Scola, Rudy Fernandez, Pau Gasol, Andris Biedrins, Tony Parker, Andrew Bogut....all stand somewhere between solid and pretty damn good. There's probly some I'm missing.

I think the Euro's get a bad rap overall based off some glaring examples.

 

[bajaden]

That's because of the different rules. In FIBA there's no 3s rule in defense, so D is can be more complex strategicly and less physicall. You don't need to defend your guy as if your life were on it. Not only defense zones (wich are also a world apart without the 3seconds rule): even when playing individual defenses, every defender is aware to jump to the man with the ball if necessary, as you can be in the zone between your man and the man with the ball without worring about the 3s rule, so everyone is always aware to help defending a guy even if is not the guy with you are matched up.

If you see FIBA individual defenses they seem softer, of course, but the fact is that without the 3s rule the overall team defense is more effective. That's why here it's not very frecuent to see match scores higher than 100 and that's why Brandon Jennings didn't score more than 17 points when he was at Italy. People scoring 30 or more points is a exceptional thing.

Another rules, another basketball.

I agree completely. They just camp in the paint. Which make penetration very difficult. Throw in a little artistic flopping and wa la, no one scores there. Just about all the rule changes in the NBA have been to help the offense. Players get blasted for not playing defense. But they've taken away all the tools the defenders used to use. But, people like to see high scoring. So I guess were stuck with it.

 

[bajaden]

Pietrus, Sefolosha, Ersan Ilyasova, Omri Casspi, Andres Nocioni, Ginobili, Scola, Rudy Fernandez, Pau Gasol, Andris Biedrins, Tony Parker, Andrew Bogut....all stand somewhere between solid and pretty damn good. There's probly some I'm missing.

I think the Euro's get a bad rap overall based off some glaring examples.

A few more for you: Leandrinho Barbosa, Arvydas Sabonis, Sarunas Marciulionis, Drazen Petrovic, Mickael Pietrus.

 

[fnordius]

I have a question. If a player somehow gets 0 turnovers in a season or at least up to a certain point of the season, what is his AST to TO ratio

1/Y, where Y is Yinka Dare's A/TO ratio.

Sergio already has 11 TOs this season, though, so no worries.

 

[LookingAround]

You may or may not be right. I watched Rubio play yesterday on NBA TV. The other team had a very quick point guard whose name eludes me. Rubio couldn't guard him to save his life. Rubio may become the cats meow, but until he comes to the NBA and shows us what he can do at this level, night in and night out, I'll reserve judgement.

You mean Shamond Williams?
Did we watch the same game? He scored 7 points, which is more then all the other guards of Malaga.

Speaking about Ricky's defense I uploaded a video yesterday:
[yt=Ricky]-h8FbFW3BAA[/yt]

 

[mac]

1/Y, where Y is Yinka Dare's A/TO ratio.

Sergio already has 11 TOs this season, though, so no worries.

lol... That would be so freaking cool you know. Hey coach! My A/TO ratio is frikin undefined yo!

 

[AriesMar27]

You mean Shamond Williams?
Did we watch the same game? He scored 7 points, which is more then all the other guards of Malaga.

Speaking about Ricky's defense I uploaded a video yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8FbFW3BAA

his defense is pretty weak but that boy can pass the rock with the best of them. he's on some jason kidd level passing skills... man... and he can handle the ball like a and1 player....

 

[drboiffard]

It's a different type of spectacle. Although there are less dunks, there is a lot of strategy. And a lot less marketing, star marketing, and numbers fever so It's more a chess between the coachs than a gladiator battle between franchise players. There's also much ball movement and passes, more court vision and more strategy. Less space=more genius.

I like more NBA than FIBA. It's funnier. And what I like more is the meta-game balance between the teams in terms of money. Here the difference of money to build up rosters between teams is gigantic, and for example this season with the crisis, Barcelona and Real Madrid have broken the league as they have zillions from soccer. But well, I have played in school and high school (and coached school teams while playing in high schol) I have seen so many FIBA basketball (I support estudiantes since 13 years ago) and I also love it, it's the basketball we play and we learn. It's much more deeper strategicly. It's funnier to see many dunks in a game, but see how a team makes an big point overcome in a quarter by changing the schemes it's also enjoyable. It's the better thing, enjoy both. And what I enjoy the most is seeing Spain trying to win a gold medal against the all-star USA until the last minute with courage and brain.

What I am more curious about the Sergio being the poor man's Rubio statement now I've been in this forums since the draft is how the marketing can blind people. Rubio is slightly better than Sergio, but not a lot better. Slightly better. Better defense (he ate Tony Parker in euro tournament) and a little bit less court vision. Rubio is a B+ in court vision, Sergio has the spark. The force is with him. He is touched. He doesn't need to see to pass (did you see the pass he did from the ground on that timeout basket turnover?). Rubio is 18, he debuted in ACB with 14, he will be a star, blablabla. But hell, Sergio has 23 and hasn't had a chance in Portland. He came as a first round draft and was buried by Nate McMillan during 3 years. If other team, with a more runing scheme would have drafted him that year, he could be a mid-top level starter PG right now. His last scoring record was 23...two years ago, where he did double digits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqJ1sBLfU8
23 points 10 assists 4 rebounds 3 steals

I know that he can do what he did yesterday last night if he is given minutes and confidence (see the preseason match he played as starter). We wouldn't be world champions without him. Ask Nocioni...

Yes, he hasn't broken the Guiness of the youngest debutant of a FIBA team ever, but he also can be the next Nash. Rubio has more time to come better, but also maybe more time to come stupid and lazy as an hyped all-star-from-the-first-day. Sergio is a silent hard worker, but he needs to play with freedom to run the team. And I hope that, like Nash did, will become an all-star PG silently and patiently, maybe in 3, maybe in 4, maybe in 5 years.

 

[NME]

1/Y, where Y is Yinka Dare's A/TO ratio.

And actually, 1/Y was also his assist rate: 1 assist per year (4 in 4 seasons). RIP, by the way, forgot the poor guy died until just now.

 

[AriesMar27]

and thats why sergio's nickname fits so well for him. he has earned that name, he really is a spanish jason williams, hairline and all... thats about as good as he could ever become. with that said, thats how much better he who shall remain nameless really is. he has the potential to become the john stockton/nash/kidd/pistol pete level of pg. jwill was never that good, he was good but not elite good. he who shall remain nameless can become that good. his passing and ball handling are already there, once that shot becomes a threat its game over. if he has confidence in his shot he could be in the chris paul level of pgs from day one. he just gets it...

he who shall remain nameless is that player, people were serious when they said that he is probably the best european prospect to enter the draft ever... they said ever... i forget who it was but they were implying that he is potentially better than pau, dirk, parker and peja. damn... thats some amazing hype... like damn. he's really that good at what he does and he wont or cant shoot, just like sergio... weird.

but like we all noticed in their last game, the hornets were so focused on sergio's passing that they gave him clear shots at the basket. he who shall remain nameless is even more of a threat than sergio... he's going to freeze up every pg that tries to guard him.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Would you get over yourself and just say Rubio. It makes reading your posts that much more like nails on a chalkboard.

 

[AriesMar27]

Would you get over yourself and just say Rubio. It makes reading your posts that much more like nails on a chalkboard.

i said that i wouldnt say his name until he actually played an nba game. so until he suits up and plays an nba game i will call him he who shall remain nameless... sorry.

 

[SacKings7]

And because talking math is cool...
Well, at least fun (for some)



To bridge the 2 (infinite and undefined when 0 is in the denominator):

Anything divided by 0 is undefined, but...

When the denominator approaches zero, the function (or A/TO ratio in this case) goes to infinity. It looks like this:

lim (A/TO) = infinity
TO→0

while

A/TO when TO = 0 is undefined.

Ah...math.

As for Sergio...nice.

Question: what non-injured King has not received an "any questions" thread yet? (May is the only one I can think of. Maybe Brockman?)

Correct. However, someone said what the ratio would be when turnovers are 0, not when turnovers are approaching 0

And now, to not make this strictly a math-related post....Sergio has already surpassed my expectations of him in the NBA. I'll honestly confess and say that I thought he wouldn't stick around. It sure looks like he belongs in the league now

 

[MoneyMike916]

Just found this, has his highlights from yesterday
[yt=Serg]ZfgfyMHHlVQ[/yt]

 

[LookingAround]

It's a different type of spectacle. Although there are less dunks, there is a lot of strategy. And a lot less marketing, star marketing, and numbers fever so It's more a chess between the coachs than a gladiator battle between franchise players. There's also much ball movement and passes, more court vision and more strategy. Less space=more genius.

I like more NBA than FIBA. It's funnier. And what I like more is the meta-game balance between the teams in terms of money. Here the difference of money to build up rosters between teams is gigantic, and for example this season with the crisis, Barcelona and Real Madrid have broken the league as they have zillions from soccer. But well, I have played in school and high school (and coached school teams while playing in high schol) I have seen so many FIBA basketball (I support estudiantes since 13 years ago) and I also love it, it's the basketball we play and we learn. It's much more deeper strategicly. It's funnier to see many dunks in a game, but see how a team makes an big point overcome in a quarter by changing the schemes it's also enjoyable. It's the better thing, enjoy both. And what I enjoy the most is seeing Spain trying to win a gold medal against the all-star USA until the last minute with courage and brain.

What I am more curious about the Sergio being the poor man's Rubio statement now I've been in this forums since the draft is how the marketing can blind people. Rubio is slightly better than Sergio, but not a lot better. Slightly better. Better defense (he ate Tony Parker in euro tournament) and a little bit less court vision. Rubio is a B+ in court vision, Sergio has the spark. The force is with him. He is touched. He doesn't need to see to pass (did you see the pass he did from the ground on that timeout basket turnover?). Rubio is 18, he debuted in ACB with 14, he will be a star, blablabla. But hell, Sergio has 23 and hasn't had a chance in Portland. He came as a first round draft and was buried by Nate McMillan during 3 years. If other team, with a more runing scheme would have drafted him that year, he could be a mid-top level starter PG right now. His last scoring record was 23...two years ago, where he did double digits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqJ1sBLfU8
23 points 10 assists 4 rebounds 3 steals

I know that he can do what he did yesterday last night if he is given minutes and confidence (see the preseason match he played as starter). We wouldn't be world champions without him. Ask Nocioni...

Yes, he hasn't broken the Guiness of the youngest debutant of a FIBA team ever, but he also can be the next Nash. Rubio has more time to come better, but also maybe more time to come stupid and lazy as an hyped all-star-from-the-first-day. Sergio is a silent hard worker, but he needs to play with freedom to run the team. And I hope that, like Nash did, will become an all-star PG silently and patiently, maybe in 3, maybe in 4, maybe in 5 years.

First of all believe me that I'm at least as big fan of Sergio as you. Some Israelis here that familiar with me from other forums can confirm that
I'm happy to find Sergio's fans like you, and I can prove you in showing you pics I took at the last Eurobasket at Poland of Spanish fans with Sergio's jerry (the one they have probably from 2006)

But regarding Ricky, I think Ricky is one of the very few players in the world that you cannot say that Sergio has better court vision then him. They both unbelievable.

What Sergio has that Ricky doesn't is touch near the basket. But Ricky is more athletic so he has other advantages in finishing near the rim.

Defensively there is a big gap between them to favor of Ricky so I think overall Ricky is a better player.

Again, I'm saying is as a big fan of them both and but more emotionally "connected" to Sergio as a result of enduring suffering as his fan until these days

 

[LookingAround]

Just found this, has his highlights from yesterday
[yt=Serg]ZfgfyMHHlVQ[/yt]

This user CARAKOLI2 has a lot of videos of Sergio. I'm subscribed to him...

 

[xyrin]

When the denominator approaches zero, the function (or A/TO ratio in this case) goes to infinity. It looks like this:

lim (A/TO) = infinity
TO→0

Actually, that is false. From the right, it approaches infinity, and from the left, it approaches negative infinity. Thus, it does not exist. Sorry to burst your mathematical bubble.

 

[LookingAround]

[yt=Sergio]veX_WuJM1JI[/yt]

This is btw my favorite game of Sergio at Portland. It was when Black was injured.

 

[Aenadin]

Hope we keep him after this season.... his court vision is amazing

 

[LookingAround]

Actually, that is false. From the right, it approaches infinity, and from the left, it approaches negative infinity. Thus, it does not exist. Sorry to burst your mathematical bubble.

You are right.

lim (A/TO) = ∞
TO→0+

lim (A/TO) = -∞
TO→0-

Well, the second one might have a meaning only if you there would be a rule that when you are playing against Ricky Rubio your TO number starts from -2 for example

And if to be more pedantic it should be with units. Like ∞ as/to.

 

[LWP777]

and thats why sergio's nickname fits so well for him. he has earned that name, he really is a spanish jason williams, hairline and all... thats about as good as he could ever become. with that said, thats how much better he who shall remain nameless really is. he has the potential to become the john stockton/nash/kidd/pistol pete level of pg. jwill was never that good, he was good but not elite good. he who shall remain nameless can become that good. his passing and ball handling are already there, once that shot becomes a threat its game over. if he has confidence in his shot he could be in the chris paul level of pgs from day one. he just gets it...

he who shall remain nameless is that player, people were serious when they said that he is probably the best european prospect to enter the draft ever... they said ever... i forget who it was but they were implying that he is potentially better than pau, dirk, parker and peja. damn... thats some amazing hype... like damn. he's really that good at what he does and he wont or cant shoot, just like sergio... weird.

but like we all noticed in their last game, the hornets were so focused on sergio's passing that they gave him clear shots at the basket. he who shall remain nameless is even more of a threat than sergio... he's going to freeze up every pg that tries to guard him.

Very annoying. Not funny. Childish. Please just stop.

 

[Prince_XY]

Very annoying. Not funny. Childish. Please just stop.

Not so damn cold please.

Have you been in-love before? If you have, then you'll understand that post much better?

It is actually very funny.

 

[LWP777]

Not so damn cold please.

Have you been in-love before? If you have, then you'll understand that post much better?

It is actually very funny.

I'm to the boards here but I am starting to see that he has a man-crush on Rubio.

 

[Prince_XY]

I'm to the boards here but I am starting to see that he has a man-crush on Rubio.

I think it is getting more apparent that it could be more than just a man-crush thing. Usually, it is easy to just forget and let go if it's just a crush.

 

[AriesMar27]

you guys are hilarious... if anyone has a man crush on he who shall remain nameless its kingsguy881... i havent even said the mans name. nor do i bring him up in conversations. everyone else does...

but i dont see what the big deal is about me saying he who shall remain nameless instead of saying he who shall remain nameless, i couldnt say it. sorry. lol.... whats annoying is when posters say that evans is a pg, not to start an arguement but it is annoying. how is he the pg playing nesxt to a pg? beno and sergio are not sg's.... i'll leave it at that. i'll stop saying he who shall remain nameless when he either plays an nba game or people around here stop calling evans a pg. maybe that can end the never ending debate.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Not so damn cold please.

Have you been in-love before? If you have, then you'll understand that post much better?

It is actually very funny.

WOW!!! Very funny. Lmao, at work, with people looking at me.

 

[Kingsguy881]

you guys are hilarious... if anyone has a man crush on he who shall remain nameless its kingsguy881... i havent even said the mans name. nor do i bring him up in conversations. everyone else does...

but i dont see what the big deal is about me saying he who shall remain nameless instead of saying he who shall remain nameless, i couldnt say it. sorry. lol.... whats annoying is when posters say that evans is a pg, not to start an arguement but it is annoying. how is he the pg playing nesxt to a pg? beno and sergio are not sg's.... i'll leave it at that. i'll stop saying he who shall remain nameless when he either plays an nba game or people around here stop calling evans a pg. maybe that can end the never ending debate.

No, I just call people by their names, instead of annoying the board while trying to prove a childish point. Evans IS the pg, get over it. THIS IS THE SACRAMENTO KINGS TEAM, deal with it or find some other team to root for instead of arguing with people over what YOU would do to make this team better in your condescending tone. You don't see people picking on ME, yet you end up being the target of not only myself but a LOT of other posters.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So as long as you continue to talk negatively about the Kings and their players, the more people are going to pick on you. So if you like it, then expect it. And it seems like you like it.

I'm not going to get into another pissing match with you dude. You bring all of this on yourself with your posts. So get ready because until you change it isn't going to stop.

 

[Emma]

(SNIP)he who shall remain nameless really (SNIP)
he who shall remain nameless (snip) he who shall remain nameless is even (snip)

Ever consider the use of acronyms? You must get hand cramps from all of that unnecessary typing:

HWSRN.

Ooh! Ooh! How about: Pick #5? That would be way more awesome .

 

[CBO]

Actually, that is false. From the right, it approaches infinity, and from the left, it approaches negative infinity. Thus, it does not exist. Sorry to burst your mathematical bubble.

You're absolutely right...but I assumed that (based on the situation) that you could not approach 0 from the left. I think someone else mentioned the impossibility of negative turnovers. Either way...MATH!

Also, thanks to MoneyMike. Living in LA, I don't get to watch the Kings too much and it's great to be able to see Sergio's game instead of just read about it.

 

[AriesMar27]

I voted for Rubio.

he who shall remain nameless isnt even a king and he is your favorite.... i dont bring him up, you do. thats part of the reason why i dont say his name. so no one here can say that im the one bring him into the conversation.

evans... pg? im not going any further than that....