SAR coming to the Kings discussion (merged)

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demeaning comments??? and i also said if you copare them to the best players then you won't love your team. I didn't say that you didn't love your team. And no we aren't at the level of finalists. But we damn sure wasn't with the team we finished with last year.
 
Sam Amick from the Bee was just on Koz's show and he said that in his "OPINION" SAR WILL be on the Kings.

He said they are trying to resolve an issue concerning the number of years of the contact.
 
Be careful opinions are earned around here. Your not entitled to one yet niether am I. Maybe us folks that are just happy not to have the same team we ended with should be separated from the ones that aren't happey unless we get the starting lineup for both Western and Eastern All-Star teams.
 
Can't we all just get along? :(

And can't we all at least give this team the benefit of the doubt? :o Reef or no Reef.

I trust these guys to get what needs to be done, done. If they fail, then look for a more comprehensive rebuilding in the sequel, "Kings, from the ground up part duex".
 
VF21 said:
I hope the whole team can all get front row tickets, so they have a good view.
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Wow... didn't think you would say that....I always thought of you as the "optimist."

I mean, even realistically, I could see the Kings in the WCF this year...
 
Vlade Divac had his best years AS A KING
Chris Webber had his best years AS A KING
Doug Christie had his best years AS A KING
Brad Miller having his best years AS A KING
Mike Bibby having his best years AS A KING

Why O Why is it impossible for Wells and Reef to have their best years AS A KING. Juding by thier previous best years we have alot to look foward to. No player I mean NO player in the last 4 to 6 years has came to the kings and not done greater things then ever expected. Look at KT hell he averaged a double double AS A KING Jim Jackson had no hope of joining a team but, he was awesome AS A KING.
 
Entity said:
Vlade Divac had his best years AS A KING
Chris Webber had his best years AS A KING
Doug Christie had his best years AS A KING
Brad Miller having his best years AS A KING
Mike Bibby having his best years AS A KING

Why O Why is it impossible for Wells and Reef to have their best years AS A KING. Juding by thier previous best years we have alot to look foward to. No player I mean NO player in the last 4 to 6 years has came to the kings and not done greater things then ever expected. Look at KT hell he averaged a double double AS A KING Jim Jackson had no hope of joining a team but, he was awesome AS A KING.
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Unless you just jinxed it. :D
 
WCF?

1.) Spurs

2.) Suns

3.) Nuggets

4.) Houston

5.) Dallas

6.) Sacramento


That's how I think the first six Western seeds will go. They might beat Denver, but WCF? Hmmm.

I'm thinking the Suns will still be pretty good. There's a chance they lose their elite level, though, and if that happens, I guess the Kings have a chance at WCF.
 
Entity said:
Be careful opinions are earned around here. Your not entitled to one yet niether am I. Maybe us folks that are just happy not to have the same team we ended with should be separated from the ones that aren't happey unless we get the starting lineup for both Western and Eastern All-Star teams.
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i dont think this is a fair accusation. the KG talk, etc is all dream, and all in good fun. but there are many of us here who believe acquiring SAR (at the PF) is a lame acquisition in terms of need. its important to reacquire a lot of lost talent, but if the kings organization is serious about shifting its focus, then more needs to happen. obviously, the trade deadline is a long ways off, and lotsa stuff can still go down, so i'm not in any way condemning the SAR acquisition. but i do believe, and i think a lot of people here would agree with me, that SAR, as talented as he may be, cannot be the starting PF if the kings want to further their success beyond the first round of the playoffs. brad miller is no defensive or rebounding machine, but thats not a reason to trade him. so, instead of trading a great piece of the offense, i (and others) say complement him with a more defensive-minded PF.

i, like many, love how the kings run an offense, but that doesnt mean we cant get some guys who play alittle defense, and it dont mean we have to trade away all of our offensive-oriented players. it just means we need to strike a better balance, and all SAR does is shift the balance away from the direction the maloofs and GP claimed they wanted to improve upon. GP has done a great job thus far in revamping the backcourt, but the front court still needs work, and we still own 3 inflated-tweener-contracts that arent doing us much good. i advocate a peja trade because SAR would be a very capable starting SF (especially at his price), and i believe losing peja would hurt the kings the least, despite him being the better defender of our core, and i also believe his trade value is still high enough that we could get a good PF in return. if not a star PF in some sort of peja + w/e package, then maybe a young, yet-to-blossom big man prospect. just an idea. but i think its unfair to categorize those of us who want whats best for the team and who dont approve of SAR as our starting PF, considering how horribly things went at the end of last season with an all-tweener PF rotation.
 
SoupIsGood said:
WCF?

1.) Spurs

2.) Suns

3.) Nuggets

4.) Houston

5.) Dallas

6.) Sacramento


That's how I think the first six Western seeds will go. They might beat Denver, but WCF? Hmmm.

I'm thinking the Suns will still be pretty good. There's a chance they lose their elite level, though, and if that happens, I guess the Kings have a chance at WCF.
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I think its wide open. If the Kings finish 6th again, it obviously would be a huge let down considering the expectations of the team if we sign Shareef. I think there is no question that this team will be improved over last season.
 
did i even mention Mo Evans and Matt Barnes or Daruis all 3 were on the treshold of no NBA career at all. now they are getting offers from various teams. I mean look at our lineup. you know Bibby and Peja but, Wells is a huge defensive upgrade over Mobley and he can get to the basket. Reef alot more capaple than KT at PF. Miller healthy again is upgrade. Jason Hart hell if he just plays 15 games its an upgrade over the last 2 years at backup PG and our bench now our starting PF last year is our backup PF and we got 2 exciting young talents ready to solidify themselves in the NBA.
 
Well since there are a lot of unhappy people here who would you rather go after?

Chandler? Evans?

Chandler is unproven, and still has the "P" (potential) word surrounding him. We would have to give up a core player to get him.

Evans is just a rebounder and that's it. Can't pass, can't shoot, FT% is 50%+/-.
 
I think we all love this team or we would not frequent this board. We are all entitled to our opinions. For example, during the off seaon, I never think we are good enough to win it all. However, once the ball goes up for the first tipoff, I ALWAYS believe we will go all the way. That is just the way I act as a fan. My best friend is the exact opposite in her reactions. It does not mean that either of us is more or less of a fan.

Back on topic: I think getting SAR will help us, but we still have work to do to get back to where we want to be. I do think that GP has another trade in the works that may not happen until the mid season trade deadline. IMO right now, we would get to the second round. We have a LOT to do to be realistic contenders this season. But, as I said, once the season begins I will be singing a different tune.
 
Padrino i won't quote that long statement. But I understand what you are saying. I am not one to just have my opinion and not listen. I see your concern but also I see an organization wanting to keep the 3 core players. That should be a given. So we then have to look at FA and the FA market really sucked this year when trying to get a good PF. Swift was to High so was Brown. Walker is well Walker so Reef is the best possible PF we could have gotten.

I came down hard on us getting Garcia in the draft instead of a PF. And these same ppl that are putting down SAR were saying well we drafted the best player available. So i look at the FA Market the same way. Wells and SAR were the absolute best players available for us to get for MLE or lower. I know Wells was a trade but it feels like we traded nothing with the 2 players that left combined didn't play more than 15 games.

Again i do understand yours and others point and i Appreciate you not getting an attitude but, we have to start somewhere and SAR today is better than the nothing we had yesterday.
 
Also regaurding the Peja + w/e trade that has been discussed so many times and each time its brought up the higher Brass seem to think its stupid and the other team would never do that because the PF is young and has some talent. Soooo what do you do. I would love to send Peja and whoever to toronto for Chris Bosh or to the bobcats for Okafor other than those 2. Young and talented are really few and far between at the PF spot these days.
 
I think there is a chance that if SAR does in fact come to Sacramento there will be another move. I don't see Thomas coming off the bench, so Peja could be moved for a PF and SAR could play SF. That's what makes the most sense to me.

How do you get a team to trade an athletic, rebounding, post defender for Peja or anyone else?

Just my 2cents.
 
G_M said:
I think there is a chance that if SAR does in fact come to Sacramento there will be another move. I don't see Thomas coming off the bench, so Peja could be moved for a PF and SAR could play SF. That's what makes the most sense to me.

How do you get a team to trade an athletic, rebounding, post defender for Peja or anyone else?

Just my 2cents.
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Call up the clips and throw in Bibby.
 
I'm torn here. I am willing to trade one of the core, but I do not know that I would risk 2 of them, even for KG. However, if there was a player that I would give up 2 for, it would be him. I would LOVE to see KG in a King's jersey. My issue is that while I believe you have to have a "superstar" (KG qualifies) to win it all, you have to surround him with a better than average team. Look at his Playoff accomplishments. He has not gotten the job done because of his supporting cast. If we give up our best players (like them or not, our best are Bibby, Miller, and Peja) to get him, we kind of defeat to purpose in trading for him.
 
I do not think there is anyway under the sun we could pry J. O'neal from the Pacers and I would be less willing to give up give up Peja AND Bibby for Brand.
 
Padrino said:
i dont think this is a fair accusation. the KG talk, etc is all dream, and all in good fun. but there are many of us here who believe acquiring SAR (at the PF) is a lame acquisition in terms of need. its important to reacquire a lot of lost talent, but if the kings organization is serious about shifting its focus, then more needs to happen. obviously, the trade deadline is a long ways off, and lotsa stuff can still go down, so i'm not in any way condemning the SAR acquisition. but i do believe, and i think a lot of people here would agree with me, that SAR, as talented as he may be, cannot be the starting PF if the kings want to further their success beyond the first round of the playoffs. brad miller is no defensive or rebounding machine, but thats not a reason to trade him. so, instead of trading a great piece of the offense, i (and others) say complement him with a more defensive-minded PF.
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Word to your mother!

;)
 
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