Jordan and Pippen both had low post games and the first 3 Bulls champs had Horace Grant, but you are basically correct. However, the Bulls played phenomonal defense (I remember a regular season game against the Lakers the 1st season they had Shaq, the Bulls fell behind by double digits by halftime, came out and played full court press for the entire 2nd half and came back to win by double digits).
This current Kings roster (assuming SAR is on it) is similar in that they are also basically a jump shooting team with a small dash of post up players, but that's where the comparison ends, since the Kings play pathetic defense.
This current Kings roster (assuming SAR is on it) is similar in that they are also basically a jump shooting team with a small dash of post up players, but that's where the comparison ends, since the Kings play pathetic defense.
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Haven't been close to the radio. Has Grant said anything on it, or did he take the same stance he did yesterday when they were talking about how they hated Terell Owens? Grant kind of got mad when a caller brought it up, and pointed out how the day before he reported it BEFORE Koz did, and seemed quite upset.
Anyway from the other thread...the PG position has been downgraded (BJ over Hart anyday), so hence why I said what I said. If we get Payton (I know some of you Payton haters love me now), and Evans for the MLE I figure you can call it an awsome summer for Petrie.
Bibby/Payton
SAR/K Thomas
Peja/Corliss
Bonzi/Martin/Garcia
Miller/Evans
Pretty damn good second team IMO
Bibby/Payton
SAR/K Thomas
Peja/Corliss
Bonzi/Martin/Garcia
Miller/Evans
Pretty damn good second team IMO
Jordan was a postup guard by that point. Pippen was a slasher. Rodman was a rebounding nut. And of course they were a magnificent defensive team with three former DPOYs. That's how they won.
The Phil Jackson tradition is to get a core of great players who do everything else BUT shoot, and then fill shooters in around the edges as roleplayers. Calling any of hsi teams "shooting teams" would be entirely missing the point that the core players on all the title teams have always been guys who attack the middle of the defense. The only major player he's ever had who's salient feature was shooting was Glen Rice, and we all know how that went.
The Phil Jackson tradition is to get a core of great players who do everything else BUT shoot, and then fill shooters in around the edges as roleplayers. Calling any of hsi teams "shooting teams" would be entirely missing the point that the core players on all the title teams have always been guys who attack the middle of the defense. The only major player he's ever had who's salient feature was shooting was Glen Rice, and we all know how that went.
Thank you Gary . And you too VF21.But VF21, you should know which post is Trade Peja?, because you closed it your self, because I was new member you wrote, and you thought this was a new topic for me. That made me angry that time.
Im really sorry for my bad english, but this is about Kings , not English poetry class. There are many Kings fans around the globe, and not being able to speak english at all, that doesnt makes you a bad fan.. I know you understand what I mean when I write, so thats the most important thing.
And I didnt said Shareef could pass like Vlade, but of all the options of PF or centers, I think thats the best one. Offcourse the team will be little different, but I think it will be much more similar to that 2 years ago, than that last year.
Im really sorry for my bad english, but this is about Kings , not English poetry class. There are many Kings fans around the globe, and not being able to speak english at all, that doesnt makes you a bad fan.. I know you understand what I mean when I write, so thats the most important thing.
And I didnt said Shareef could pass like Vlade, but of all the options of PF or centers, I think thats the best one. Offcourse the team will be little different, but I think it will be much more similar to that 2 years ago, than that last year.
Just a splash is necessary.
title teams =
San Antonio -- post play and defense
Detroit -- defense
Lakers -- initially post play, slashing, and defense, but defense faded as the dynasty did
Bulls -- post play, slashing, defense
Houston -- post play, guts, shooting, slashing (afte they got clyde for run #2) (this would be the best "shooting example, and yet there is not a shred of doubt the team was built around the magical post ability of Hakeem, and the shooters were roleplayers in support)
Detroit -- defense, had some of everything on offense, including shooting
Lakers -- post play, slashing, passing, fastbreak, more defense than you would think
Boston -- monster frontcourt, defense, inside/outside attack including shooting (Ainge/Bird)
Phily -- post play, slashing, defense
title teams =
San Antonio -- post play and defense
Detroit -- defense
Lakers -- initially post play, slashing, and defense, but defense faded as the dynasty did
Bulls -- post play, slashing, defense
Houston -- post play, guts, shooting, slashing (afte they got clyde for run #2) (this would be the best "shooting example, and yet there is not a shred of doubt the team was built around the magical post ability of Hakeem, and the shooters were roleplayers in support)
Detroit -- defense, had some of everything on offense, including shooting
Lakers -- post play, slashing, passing, fastbreak, more defense than you would think
Boston -- monster frontcourt, defense, inside/outside attack including shooting (Ainge/Bird)
Phily -- post play, slashing, defense
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I think we agree on this, it takes a certain level of defense to win championships, but teams can definitely win with a jumpshooting offense. The Bulls were jumpshooters and really so were the Pistons. Sheed isn't exactly at home on the block. The Kings have the offense, it remains to be seen if they can get the defense together enough to win.
And the Lakers won the championship with Glen Rice, so I'd say that went pretty well for them.
And the Lakers won the championship with Glen Rice, so I'd say that went pretty well for them.
It *IS* the biggest thing to happen to the Kings since the Webber deal. Aquiring B. Miller would be about the same thing, though we were getting a future starter, not a starter.
Jason for Bibby was a big move too, but Bibby now is greater than the Bibby then.
I personally think this was a big deal. We signed an above MLE player for the MLE. If he breaks down in a year, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. It's not like it's definitely going to happen.
Jason for Bibby was a big move too, but Bibby now is greater than the Bibby then.
I personally think this was a big deal. We signed an above MLE player for the MLE. If he breaks down in a year, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. It's not like it's definitely going to happen.
At this point, I think we have to look at our Kings like a fantasy league. We had players we truly liked but they didn't get the job done. So, new season and we are going to start out with some of the returning players, but we're looking at a whole different attitude...
Role players come and go. It's the core that matters. If Petrie and the Maloofs are, indeed, committed to the core of Bibby, Peja and Brad, then we could see a revolving door policy on anyone who doesn't work into that dynamic.
Role players come and go. It's the core that matters. If Petrie and the Maloofs are, indeed, committed to the core of Bibby, Peja and Brad, then we could see a revolving door policy on anyone who doesn't work into that dynamic.
Sorry. I misspoke. Koz didn't say it was the biggest thing SINCE Webber, which I might or might not agree with. He said it was AS BIG AS the Webber deal.
You can personally think it's a big deal. As a Kings fan, I hope you're right. I just don't believe this is the way back to the top of the Western conference. And, if I'm wrong, I'll say in all caps, stickied to the top of the forum because it will mean my KINGS are better with SAR than I thought possible.
You can personally think it's a big deal. As a Kings fan, I hope you're right. I just don't believe this is the way back to the top of the Western conference. And, if I'm wrong, I'll say in all caps, stickied to the top of the forum because it will mean my KINGS are better with SAR than I thought possible.
It's in no way as big as the Webber deal. I think it's as big as anything since.
Frankly, we've improved by replacing Thomas with SAR. That's good enough for me.
WCF? we'll see. Outside of PHO and SA I'm not scared of the rest of them. I'll take 2nd round. A sorry 1st round exit like this year woudl be a disappointment. A 2nd round exit like the year before this year woudl be fine and about what I expect.
Peja and Bonzi's contract years will affect our team a lot.
Frankly, we've improved by replacing Thomas with SAR. That's good enough for me.
WCF? we'll see. Outside of PHO and SA I'm not scared of the rest of them. I'll take 2nd round. A sorry 1st round exit like this year woudl be a disappointment. A 2nd round exit like the year before this year woudl be fine and about what I expect.
Peja and Bonzi's contract years will affect our team a lot.
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Sorry. I misspoke. Koz didn't say it was the biggest thing SINCE Webber, which I might or might not agree with. He said it was AS BIG AS the Webber deal.
You can personally think it's a big deal. As a Kings fan, I hope you're right. I just don't believe this is the way back to the top of the Western conference. And, if I'm wrong, I'll say in all caps, stickied to the top of the forum because it will mean my KINGS are better with SAR than I thought possible.
You can personally think it's a big deal. As a Kings fan, I hope you're right. I just don't believe this is the way back to the top of the Western conference. And, if I'm wrong, I'll say in all caps, stickied to the top of the forum because it will mean my KINGS are better with SAR than I thought possible.
I like the makeup of this new team. We're going to have a lot of guys out there this season looking to prove themselves. Wells, Rahim, Hart, Sampson, and the returning guys too after that embarrasing post season. If coach can get them focused in the right direction, there's potential here to catch a lot of people by surprise.
What happened to your optimism. Last year down the streatch you were optimistic about us with KT and Mobley and a hurt Miller. Now we have a better defensive 2 guard and a better PF and you are getting all Bricklayer on me. Face it we aren't going to have a lineup of Nash,T-Mac,Artest,KG, and Shaq. Its like some ppl compare each position of ours to the best in the league at that position. If you do that then you will never love your team again. Get back on track and be happy. Would you rather have gone in with KT as our starting PF and Erik Daniels backing him up? SAR is an upgrade no matter how you twist and turn it.
Wow, all I have to say is that if we land Reef, Petrie did his job, and extremely fast might I add. He rebuilt an entire team in half a year. He made a team with no bench, and aging and injured players into a team with a deep bench, unbelievable talent at every position on the court, and none of players completely duplicate one another in regards to their skillset. Looking good to me!
Excuse me? I believe I'm entitled to my opinion. And MY opinion is that the Kings aren't at the level of Western Conference finalists.
I don't love my team? That is TOTALLY uncalled for.
I am expressing my opinion. If you don't agree with it, fine. I would greatly appreciate it, however, if you could keep the insults and demeaning comments out of it.
I don't love my team? That is TOTALLY uncalled for.
I am expressing my opinion. If you don't agree with it, fine. I would greatly appreciate it, however, if you could keep the insults and demeaning comments out of it.