SAR coming to the Kings discussion (merged)

[AriesMar27]

this isnt that bad i guess.... we are definitely better than we were at the end of last season....

 

[BonziFan]

We still have a couple months for some more deals and again this is just a step not a final piece.

 

[SoupIsGood]

So, are you guys getting SAR, then?

Bibby/Wells/Peja/SAR/Miller

Pretty solid, you guys are a contender if you can get that bunch to play defense well.

 

[D-Mass]

Pretty solid, you guys are a contender if you can get that bunch to play defense well.

A BIG if...

 

[sono]

the big news turns out to be SAR, wake me up if someone else zzzzzzzzzz...

 

[chelle]

Actually that's not true -- there are a couple of different paths youo can go down -- one leads to greatness but is full of pits and chasms and you can fall down and suck. The other path is much clearer and easier, but deadends at "good". SAR is a clear move down the "good" path. Good like Dallas has been "good" fro most of this decade. Score a ton, win 50-55. make it out of the first round. Get spanked, dismissed, and dissed by the first team on the "great" path we run into. Only way to hop paths after this move will be a major trade. 4/5 of your lineup is soft. That's just sad. What's the percentage on the best teams? Maybe 1/5? Parker for the Spurs. MAYBE Rip for the Pistons, although I'm not sure he's even that soft anymore. Assuming Posey starts, just Jwill for the Heat.

I agree - in theory. However, in reality, who could we really get this year? Sometimes, little steps lead to bigger jumps.

 

[SoupIsGood]

A BIG if...

Maybe.

I think Adelman (sp?) could it, if you've got defensive-oriented guys off the bench.

What is the bench looking like, right now?

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree - in theory. However, in reality, who could we really get this year? Sometimes, little steps lead to bigger jumps.

I added this to that post late:

This is not building toward ANYTHING -- with this move, our starting lineup and at least 75% of ouor minutes are accounted for. And they are all middleaged NBA players. This team, assuming it gets SAR, is at good as its going to get right now. And its not a contender. So its either make another move, or see how long you can pull the wool over everybody's eyes with an all scoring all style no substance squad good at beating up regular season patsies.

 

[John Galt]

Why do you keep saying "it's obviously not as big as the Webber deal?"

SAR has equal "wow factor" compared to Thomas, Skinner and Corliss. I think this is exactly as big as the Webber deal - no more and no less.

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe.

I think Adelman (sp?) could it, if you've got defensive-oriented guys off the bench.

What is the bench looking like, right now?

We've got some decent defenders on the bench -- Hart, Skinner, maybe Sampson now. Will have to see about Cisco and Martin. No real impact guys, but generally solid. Then again, we also still have KT, Corliss, Darius is lurking etc., and they could turn out to be the bigger minute guys.

 

[chelle]

Saw your edit late.

 

[SoupIsGood]

4/5 of the lineup soft?

I don't consider Bibby soft. Weak defensively, yes, but not soft.

I don't think I'd call Wells soft.

Peja is. SAR sounds like he is, I've never paid a lot of attention to him.

I like Brad, I'm not going to call him soft.

 

[love_them_kings]

We would not have to trade for him. We can just sign him outright.

But would we want to? I think we're already over the cap. Could there be a sign and trade in action like the Nets deal?

 

[Bricklayer]

Why do you keep saying "it's obviously not as big as the Webber deal?"

SAR has equal "wow factor" compared to Thomas, Skinner and Corliss. I think this is exactly as big as the Webber deal - no more and no less.

The "wow" factor of the Webber trade was in who we gave up, not in who we got back. There was a player of sstature on the move. Not some guy so esteemed he can be had for the MLE.

 

[chelle]

Why do you keep saying "it's obviously not as big as the Webber deal?"

SAR has equal "wow factor" compared to Thomas, Skinner and Corliss. I think this is exactly as big as the Webber deal - no more and no less.

Getting SAR is not as big as losing Webb. He will not have as big of an impact on the team. I think that is what people mean.

 

[R1LOVER]

So, are you guys getting SAR, then?

Bibby/Wells/Peja/SAR/Miller

Pretty solid, you guys are a contender if you can get that bunch to play defense well.

What was that word you said?? Defense?? Can you explain that one a little more, I'm not too sure what it is??? lol

 

[chelle]

But would we want to? I think we're already over the cap. Could there be a sign and trade in action like the Nets deal?

BUT, we are not at the luxury tax threshold yet, so it is not quite that big a deal yet.

 

[Bricklayer]

4/5 of the lineup soft?

I don't consider Bibby soft. Weak defensively, yes, but not soft.

I don't think I'd call Wells soft.

Peja is. SAR sounds like he is, I've never paid a lot of attention to him.

I like Brad, I'm not going to call him soft.

Bibby's defense is his softness. I like Mike too. But the defense is a huge factor.

Wells is the one "hard".

Peja and SAR are jsut flat out soft.

And the Miller youo are referencing is one we have never met. He can't defend, and wasn't even particularly strong on the boards last year. Also cannto post or paly inside. 4/5 soft.

 

[The Freak]

Radio Update:​

Koz is comfortable saying that Shareef will be a King.​

Apparently, he was told by various sources that SAR will be a King.​

Time Deal Would Be Done Within:​

About 1 week at the most.​

Reminder:​

Still not a done deal. SAR needs to take a comprehensive physical.​

Notes:​

They don't think Mo is going to be a King next year.​

SAR never missed a game because of his knee.​

Kenny Thomas is signed 2009-2010.​

Kenny wants to stay as a starter, or at least in the active rotation.​

Fan's Say (on the radio):​

Most say if SAR gets acquired it's for the better.​

Jamal Sampson can rebound. (Defensive plus)​

​

 

[chelle]

I am hoping that that were embarrassed (for lack of a better term) enough from losing in the first round, that the defense and hardness that I believe them capable of will come out this season. I can still dream before the season starts, right? AND, sometimes -dreams do come true!!

 

[BonziFan]

But would we want to? I think we're already over the cap. Could there be a sign and trade in action like the Nets deal?

I dont think so because Portland has already said that they do not want salary in return.

 

[M10Bibby]

Radio Update:
Koz is comfortable saying that Shareef will be a King.
Apparently, he was told by various sources that SAR will be a King.​

Time Deal Would Be Done Within:
About 1 week at the most.​

Reminder:
Still not a done deal. SAR needs to take a comprehensive physical.​

Notes:
They don't think Mo is going to be a King next year.
SAR never missed a game because of his knee.
Kenny Thomas is signed 2009-2010.
Kenny wants to stay as a starter, or at least in the active rotation.​

Fan's Say (on the radio):
Most say if SAR gets acquired it's for the better.
Jamal Sampson can rebound. (Defensive plus)
​

i want evans back...

 

[nbrans]

Actually that's not true -- there are a couple of different paths youo can go down -- one leads to greatness but is full of pits and chasms and you can fall down and suck. The other path is much clearer and easier, but deadends at "good". SAR is a clear move down the "good" path. Good like Dallas has been "good" fro most of this decade. Score a ton, win 50-55. make it out of the first round. Get spanked, dismissed, and dissed by the first team on the "great" path we run into. Only way to hop paths after this move will be a major trade. 4/5 of your lineup is soft. That's just sad. What's the percentage on the best teams? Maybe 1/5? Parker for the Spurs. MAYBE Rip for the Pistons, although I'm not sure he's even that soft anymore. Assuming Posey starts, just Jwill for the Heat.

This is not building toward ANYTHING -- with this move, our starting lineup and at least 75% of ouor minutes are accounted for. And they are all middleaged NBA players. This team, assuming it gets SAR, is at good as its going to get right now. And its not a contender. So its either make another move, or see how long you can pull the wool over everybody's eyes with an all scoring all style no substance squad good at beating up regular season patsies.

Bricklayer, honestly, this post is beyond extreme. You have to make moves to make the team better. You don't just sit around and wait for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap because buddy, you're going to be waiting for a really, really long time. And meanwhile, while you were sitting around and waiting for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap you'd have nothing to show for it. You'd have nothing to trade for him because you were sitting around on your behind when you could have been acquiring trade pieces and assets and creating his eventual supporting cast.

The fact of the matter is that SAR will make the team a lot better, and you have to take a step in that direction. Of course the Kings are building something -- they're building a better team!!! I can't understand why you'd be against that.

And you know what? I think that if the Kings get SAR they'll compare very favorably to the team that almost won the Western Conference Finals. That team was slightly better defensively, this team could be slightly better offensively. They're going to be extremely, extremely tough. I hope you can see that.

 

[BonziFan]

I am hoping that that were embarrassed (for lack of a better term) enough from losing in the first round, that the defense and hardness that I believe them capable of will come out this season. I can still dream before the season starts, right? AND, sometimes -dreams do come true!!

Defense is an attitude. If you really want to you can.

 

[sauce-26]

So, are you guys getting SAR, then?

Bibby/Wells/Peja/SAR/Miller

Pretty solid, you guys are a contender if you can get that bunch to play defense well.

Were doomed.

 

[Kings113]

Maybe it's getting Boozer or Chandler...

SAR I wouldn't really mind if we got, but doesn't quite fill most needs from the PF spot (he's a pretty good rebounder, has a good post-game, and the passing is a plus). I think, the toughness, rebounding, and not sure on his defense. He helps with the rebounding some though.

Just shall have to see how things go if he is who we get.

I think our bench will be versatile and well put together, so that'll help with things if we get SAR also.

 

[PixelPusher]

Were doomed.

2002-2004 Dallas Mavericks Redux

 

[Yoda]

And you know what? I think that if the Kings get SAR they'll compare very favorably to the team that almost won the Western Conference Finals. That team was slightly better defensively, this team could be slightly better offensively. They're going to be extremely, extremely tough. I hope you can see that.

A guy who has never, ever won and plaing out of position will make us a WCF team. That, to me, seems beyond extreme.

 

[thesanityannex]

Improving, yes, but I think a lot of people are frustrated that the higher-ups don't seem to recognize that this team needs SIZE, TOUGHNESS, and DEFENSE. SAR doesn't seem to fit that bill. We got some toughness in Bonzi, but we're still lacking in the other two.

Do you really think the higher-ups don't recognize this team needs size, toughness, and defense? I feel up to this point, that is what they have addressed ie: Wells, Hart, Garcia. SAR may not fit that to a "T", but he doesn't suck. If they can get their hands on that much wanted "star" PF, they will.

 

[nbrans]

A guy who has never, ever won and plaing out of position will make us a WCF team. That, to me, seems beyond extreme.

First off, he's a power forward. Period. Second of all, Bibby never won lickety split before he came to the Kings, so that's not a worthwhile argument.

2002-2004 Dallas Mavericks Redux

I think the Mavericks are a great example for all the "toughness" freaks out there. Everyone said oh, the Mavericks are soft, oh, the Mavericks aren't tough, they're weak. So what did the Mavericks do? They brought in Erick Dampier, a tough player, an inside presence, a shotblocker. He was going to help make them a defensive team. How did that work out for the Mavs, toughness guys? If anything it shows that focusing solely on one player or one position to be a difference-maker on defense is foolhardy. It takes a team.