This will remain my fallback hope -- the secondary move made possible by the raw talent acquisition.
My fear, on the other hand, will remain that there is a reason that Geoff Petrie has never won an NBA title in any capacity, and that's because he doesn't really "see" certain traits that he needs to. We went into the offseason with one example, and really only one example of him making a great defensive acquisition that elevated us -- the Christie trade. I was previously mildy pleased with the minor moves he was making in that direction. But there is still an open question now whether that Christie move, flying in the face as it did of the rest of his body of work, wasn't just a happy accident.
My fear, on the other hand, will remain that there is a reason that Geoff Petrie has never won an NBA title in any capacity, and that's because he doesn't really "see" certain traits that he needs to. We went into the offseason with one example, and really only one example of him making a great defensive acquisition that elevated us -- the Christie trade. I was previously mildy pleased with the minor moves he was making in that direction. But there is still an open question now whether that Christie move, flying in the face as it did of the rest of his body of work, wasn't just a happy accident.
The addition of SAR will be a good thing. It's not going to elevate the Kings to title contenders just yet, but who knows. The one thing I do know is that SAR is an extremely talented player who will immediately make this team a much much better team than it was at the end of last year. The front office knows better than any of us that defense is the area where they are lacking the most and I have enough faith to believe that they have been trying to solve that problem this offseason. However, when a player of SAR's caliber is available and you need to fill that position then you take him. The Kings will most definately be a playoff team and most likely IMO be at least a 2nd round playoff team. I'm not saying that I will be satisified with that, but it's a step or two in the right direction. One knee injury to TD and the west is wide open just like when Webb went down. Had he not gone down then the Kings would have taken it all that year. When it's all said and done the team with the most talent usually wins and with SAR in the mix the Kings are one of the more talented teams in the league and they are definately more talented than they were before.
I was actually referring to SAR as "raw talent" as that is really what he is here. Just the acquisition of a talented offensive player on the relative cheap. Not a need thing. Just talent.
And as to the other point -- I've mentioned before that you can either play to win, or play not to lose. We are simply playing not to lose here. No chance of us winning wih this lineup barring a complete meltdown of all the teams playing to win. We're trying to put together a linuep to let us pretend we're an elite team and hang around the edges ala the old Mavericks. Win a lot of regular season games. Ala the old Mavericks. Delude ourselves about how "nobody wants to face us" etc. in the playoffs, ala the old Mavericks. Get dismissed by the first serious team we run into, ala the old Mavericks. UNLESS we can get lucky and have Duncan blow out his knee against us in the playoffs or some such, in which case we can make it one more round and THEN be dismissed. Like the old Mavericks.
This is shallow pretend GMing. Very Cubanesque.
Nonetheless, if this is going to be the team, I will have little choice but to root against Duncan's knee, and Wallace's back, and Shaq's foot and whatever else it would take for our "puncher's chance". I'm just certainl not going to engage in any fo the braggadicio and foolishness some of their fans did, and no doubt some of us will after we start off 20-8 beating up the Atlantas and New Orleanses of the world at home.
And as to the other point -- I've mentioned before that you can either play to win, or play not to lose. We are simply playing not to lose here. No chance of us winning wih this lineup barring a complete meltdown of all the teams playing to win. We're trying to put together a linuep to let us pretend we're an elite team and hang around the edges ala the old Mavericks. Win a lot of regular season games. Ala the old Mavericks. Delude ourselves about how "nobody wants to face us" etc. in the playoffs, ala the old Mavericks. Get dismissed by the first serious team we run into, ala the old Mavericks. UNLESS we can get lucky and have Duncan blow out his knee against us in the playoffs or some such, in which case we can make it one more round and THEN be dismissed. Like the old Mavericks.
This is shallow pretend GMing. Very Cubanesque.
Nonetheless, if this is going to be the team, I will have little choice but to root against Duncan's knee, and Wallace's back, and Shaq's foot and whatever else it would take for our "puncher's chance". I'm just certainl not going to engage in any fo the braggadicio and foolishness some of their fans did, and no doubt some of us will after we start off 20-8 beating up the Atlantas and New Orleanses of the world at home.
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I think I just heard Kozimore say on 1140 AM that the really big Kings' acquisition this year will be an addition for the Royal Court Dancers.
Kozimore was apparently worked up because Brittney Spears has agreed to lead the RCD after the birth of her first child. Rather than focusing on her stellar music, she will retire from show business to focus on NBA cheerleading and raising her new baby here in Sacramento.
This is Koz folks, not Nostradamus.
Kozimore was apparently worked up because Brittney Spears has agreed to lead the RCD after the birth of her first child. Rather than focusing on her stellar music, she will retire from show business to focus on NBA cheerleading and raising her new baby here in Sacramento.
This is Koz folks, not Nostradamus.
Man. Listen to all the {complaining}. We're not going to win a championship this year. This offseason we traded Bobby Jackson for Bonzi Wells and SAF at a decent salary. What more do you want? If a defensive big comes up in Feb, we've now got more talent so we can make a move.
I'm happy we got a 20/10 guy for 6mil a year. We've got a deep bench. We're a 55win team again. Will we lose to the Spurs?
What do you want? Really, KG? Duncan?
Even Brand isn't that much of an upgrade over SAF. Let's face it. The championships have been won by Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and the Detroit team. That's pretty elite company. A time machine makes the Kings contenders again, unfortunately those aren't real.
We've got great offensive power at every position and our bench consists of K. Thomas, Skinner, Corliss, and two decent rookie type players.
I'm happy we got a 20/10 guy for 6mil a year. We've got a deep bench. We're a 55win team again. Will we lose to the Spurs?
What do you want? Really, KG? Duncan?
Even Brand isn't that much of an upgrade over SAF. Let's face it. The championships have been won by Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and the Detroit team. That's pretty elite company. A time machine makes the Kings contenders again, unfortunately those aren't real.
We've got great offensive power at every position and our bench consists of K. Thomas, Skinner, Corliss, and two decent rookie type players.
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But luckily, unlike many on this board, they also understand that we need talent and when there is an opportunity to improve the team by getting a good player for a reasonable price, you take that.
The feeling I get is people get their hopes up that Kings will get a stud in a totally unrealistic circumstances and when it doesn't happen the sky is falling in
SAR is a good pick up. Not a great pick up but a good pick up. More people would be happy here if we got someone like Evans rather than SAR. I mean seriously, we are talking about a guy who can't walk and talk at the same time
The feeling I get is people get their hopes up that Kings will get a stud in a totally unrealistic circumstances and when it doesn't happen the sky is falling in
SAR is a good pick up. Not a great pick up but a good pick up. More people would be happy here if we got someone like Evans rather than SAR. I mean seriously, we are talking about a guy who can't walk and talk at the same time
Brick, I think you're downplaying how much of a role luck plays in deciding a champion. Was it the genius of Cleveland's GM that landed them Lebron or the genius of Chicago's to get Jordan? And what about injuries like Webber in 2003? Who's to say the Kings wouldn't have won that year otherwise? Or a couple more shots bouncing in against the Lakers in 2002. The GM's job isn't to win a championship. The GMs job is to build the most competitive team they can with their resources and to adequately manage the risks involved to keep the payroll in order and the team finances out of the red zone. Petrie's done as good a job as anyone in that regard. I think the quality of your team gets you about 90% of the way there, and the last 10% is luck. So far the luck hasn't worked in our favor, but you can't worry about that. You worry about the other 90% and just watch to see what happens.
And about the Christie trade being an exception, I think you're over-generalizing a bit. He was a top defensive player in the league. You're not always in a position to obtain one of those guys and sometimes they play a position which you've already got filled or you just don't have the players to trade for them. I'm pleasantly surprised every year by the collection of new faces Petrie finds and signs for near minimum contracts who make solid contributions. That's maximizing your resources, which is a much better indicator of the skill of a GM in my opinion than how many championships they've won. (And I'd say the same about coaches, incidentally).
And about the Christie trade being an exception, I think you're over-generalizing a bit. He was a top defensive player in the league. You're not always in a position to obtain one of those guys and sometimes they play a position which you've already got filled or you just don't have the players to trade for them. I'm pleasantly surprised every year by the collection of new faces Petrie finds and signs for near minimum contracts who make solid contributions. That's maximizing your resources, which is a much better indicator of the skill of a GM in my opinion than how many championships they've won. (And I'd say the same about coaches, incidentally).
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But luckily, unlike many on this board, they also understand that we need talent and when there is an opportunity to improve the team by getting a good player for a reasonable price, you take that.
The feeling I get is people get their hopes up that Kings will get a stud in a totally unrealistic circumstances and when it doesn't happen the sky is falling in
SAR is a good pick up. Not a great pick up but a good pick up. More people would be happy here if we got someone like Evans rather than SAR. I mean seriously, we are talking about a guy who can't walk and talk at the same time
The feeling I get is people get their hopes up that Kings will get a stud in a totally unrealistic circumstances and when it doesn't happen the sky is falling in
SAR is a good pick up. Not a great pick up but a good pick up. More people would be happy here if we got someone like Evans rather than SAR. I mean seriously, we are talking about a guy who can't walk and talk at the same time
And for the record, I'm definitely NOT a Reggie Evans fan.
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'03 was likely the championship year for Rick and for Geoff. Webb's knee ended a lot of things in just one evening. '03 was also, BTW, easily the best defensive team we ever put together bolstered as it was buy the "for free" acquisitions of JJ and Keon.
However, that said, a GM beyond all others MAKES his own luck. There is no "hand that you are dealt" aside from injuries. You are in complete control. Coaches can be victims of poor GMing, GMs, barring the occasional meddling owner, are masters of their own fate. If a team is soft -- that's the GM. If a team lacks defenders -- that's the GM. If a team lacks rebounders -- that's the GM. If it lacks those things year after year after year....you guessed it, that's the GM. He has a very good eye for offensive talent. He'll make you good. But can he get you over the top?
However, that said, a GM beyond all others MAKES his own luck. There is no "hand that you are dealt" aside from injuries. You are in complete control. Coaches can be victims of poor GMing, GMs, barring the occasional meddling owner, are masters of their own fate. If a team is soft -- that's the GM. If a team lacks defenders -- that's the GM. If a team lacks rebounders -- that's the GM. If it lacks those things year after year after year....you guessed it, that's the GM. He has a very good eye for offensive talent. He'll make you good. But can he get you over the top?
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It seems to me that some of you dont think that Geoff Petrie is doing the best job that he can. He is doing a masterful job IMHO given the resources he has. He has made this team a contender before and I believe that he will make this team a contender again. At least he isnt just breaking it up and starting all over. He believes he has something to work with and he is doing his job.
Well, this is the Princeton system, where a premium is placed on basketball "skills" and things like toughness, rebounding, intensity, and competitive desire are eschewed. I've had personal experience with this system, and its smoke and mirrors. GREAT regular season system. You KILL teams that don't have time to properly prepare for your offensive sets. Give a decent coach a couple off-days and some game film though, and he'll burn you.
Getting SAR is just. . .ridiculous. I hope this is a preliminary move to trading one or more of the "core" for a true superstar, otherwise this is just a horrible joke that the Maloofs and Petrie are playing on the good people of Sacramento. They have really been abusing the lack of basketball savvy and the good faith of the Sacramento people the last couple years. I mean that. I get the feeling that Sacramento is rapidly turning into nothing more than a cash cow for the Maloofs from which they will either depart with a golden parachute, landing in some other city, or misle into a sweetheart arena deal. It's their right to view Sacramento that way, but I take offense as a native. These kind of moves would not fly in New York, Boston, or Philly. It took Isaiah about two months to get on NY's craplist. The Maloofs, and by extension Petrie, have ceased being honest brokers with the people of Sacramento. Funny though, once Peja signs his max deal, the Kings will be the West Coast Knicks: perennial contenders for the 7th and 8th seeds.
I would rather rebuild. You suffer through some lean years, but if you draft well you emerge stronger than just limping along with mediocre talent. The draft in 07 is going to be sick, maybe one of the most loaded drafts of all time. It could rival 03. There is nothing wrong with loading up on young players and draft picks for the next couple years. Time means nothing to me. I will be a Kings fan long after this current group has retired, and I only want to see at least one championship parade down J Street (or wherever) before I die. I don't care what players bring that trophy home, or when. I could not care less if any of them are "hot" or from a particular country. I just want one championship, and this crew won't be doing that.
Getting SAR is just. . .ridiculous. I hope this is a preliminary move to trading one or more of the "core" for a true superstar, otherwise this is just a horrible joke that the Maloofs and Petrie are playing on the good people of Sacramento. They have really been abusing the lack of basketball savvy and the good faith of the Sacramento people the last couple years. I mean that. I get the feeling that Sacramento is rapidly turning into nothing more than a cash cow for the Maloofs from which they will either depart with a golden parachute, landing in some other city, or misle into a sweetheart arena deal. It's their right to view Sacramento that way, but I take offense as a native. These kind of moves would not fly in New York, Boston, or Philly. It took Isaiah about two months to get on NY's craplist. The Maloofs, and by extension Petrie, have ceased being honest brokers with the people of Sacramento. Funny though, once Peja signs his max deal, the Kings will be the West Coast Knicks: perennial contenders for the 7th and 8th seeds.
I would rather rebuild. You suffer through some lean years, but if you draft well you emerge stronger than just limping along with mediocre talent. The draft in 07 is going to be sick, maybe one of the most loaded drafts of all time. It could rival 03. There is nothing wrong with loading up on young players and draft picks for the next couple years. Time means nothing to me. I will be a Kings fan long after this current group has retired, and I only want to see at least one championship parade down J Street (or wherever) before I die. I don't care what players bring that trophy home, or when. I could not care less if any of them are "hot" or from a particular country. I just want one championship, and this crew won't be doing that.
It doesn't really matter if the Maloofs ARE cynical people or not, because the vast majority of us do not know them personally.
What's being expressed by venom - and a sizeable number of other members of our forum - is our perception of the Maloofs. If it's not true, they need to work on it and work on it right away to correct the misperceptions.
And, for the record? Venom isn't saying the Maloofs are cynical. He's making a cynical comment about the true motives of the Maloofs. Big difference.
What's being expressed by venom - and a sizeable number of other members of our forum - is our perception of the Maloofs. If it's not true, they need to work on it and work on it right away to correct the misperceptions.
And, for the record? Venom isn't saying the Maloofs are cynical. He's making a cynical comment about the true motives of the Maloofs. Big difference.
Well no matter what(unless we have to give up something major to do this) we just got better. If SAR isn't that much of an upgrade from KT, then having both of them should make us that much better. You cant go wrong if you have a starter type talent coming off the bench. I think its a good start, but i dont think petries done dealing.