SAR coming to the Kings discussion (merged)

SoupIsGood

SoupIsGood

Bench
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Chandler would be a great, great fit for you guys, especially if he picked up a post move or two.

I think Bibby is the type of PG that you can win championships with. He isn't a great defender, but there aren't a lot of a great PG defenders in the league today, anyhow. Besides, he more than makes up for his defense. Bibby flat out balls. Not soft.

I still remember that GW he nailed over Tinsley a couple seasons ago. :(
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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nbrans said:
Bricklayer, honestly, this post is beyond extreme. You have to make moves to make the team better. You don't just sit around and wait for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap because buddy, you're going to be waiting for a really, really long time. And meanwhile, while you were sitting around and waiting for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap you'd have nothing to show for it. You'd have nothing to trade for him because you were sitting around on your behind when you could have been acquiring trade pieces and assets and creating his eventual supporting cast.

The fact of the matter is that SAR will make the team a lot better, and you have to take a step in that direction. Of course the Kings are building something -- they're building a better team!!! I can't understand why you'd be against that.

And you know what? I think that if the Kings get SAR they'll compare very favorably to the team that almost won the Western Conference Finals. That team was slightly better defensively, this team could be slightly better offensively. They're going to be extremely, extremely tough. I hope you can see that.
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I was going to say that you're watching the wrong team, so much do you sound like all those sad Mavs fans of the last 5 years with all their misplaced bluster. But I guess you're actually watching the RIGHT team now givne that we are now the sad offensive minded posers, while the Mavs, after years of not getting it, are now starting to look like a serious team with multiple defensive specialists in their starting lineup.

Funny how that worked out.
 
nbrans

nbrans

All-Star
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Bricklayer said:
I was going to say that you're watching the wrong team, so much do you sound like all those sad Mavs fans of the last 5 years with all their misplaced bluster. But I guess you're actually watching the RIGHT team now givne that we are now the sad offensive minded posers, while the Mavs, after years of not getting it, are now starting to look like a serious team with multiple defensive specialists in their starting lineup.

Funny how that worked out.
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Who did the Mavs lose to in the playoffs, Brick? Wasn't it those "defensive stalwarts" the Phoenix Suns??? Those defensive specialists really did the trick...
 
Gary

Gary

All-Star
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Well at least SAR is better than an injured Webber. If anything we wil be better than the record we had last year before Webber was traded.

I like this pickup, and would rather be playoff team with a chance to win it every year, than a team that rebuilds.
 
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thesanityannex

Guest
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nbrans said:
Bricklayer, honestly, this post is beyond extreme. You have to make moves to make the team better. You don't just sit around and wait for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap because buddy, you're going to be waiting for a really, really long time. And meanwhile, while you were sitting around and waiting for Kevin Garnett to fall into your lap you'd have nothing to show for it. You'd have nothing to trade for him because you were sitting around on your behind when you could have been acquiring trade pieces and assets and creating his eventual supporting cast.

The fact of the matter is that SAR will make the team a lot better, and you have to take a step in that direction. Of course the Kings are building something -- they're building a better team!!! I can't understand why you'd be against that.

And you know what? I think that if the Kings get SAR they'll compare very favorably to the team that almost won the Western Conference Finals. That team was slightly better defensively, this team could be slightly better offensively. They're going to be extremely, extremely tough. I hope you can see that.
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I'm with you on that, but I've been told I have blind faith many times. Cheers to blind faith.
 
D-Mass

D-Mass

Starter
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nbrans said:
First off, he's a power forward. Period. Second of all, Bibby never won lickety split before he came to the Kings, so that's not a worthwhile argument.



I think the Mavericks are a great example for all the "toughness" freaks out there. Everyone said oh, the Mavericks are soft, oh, the Mavericks aren't tough, they're weak. So what did the Mavericks do? They brought in Erick Dampier, a tough player, an inside presence, a shotblocker. He was going to help make them a defensive team. How did that work out for the Mavs, toughness guys? If anything it shows that focusing solely on one player or one position to be a difference-maker on defense is foolhardy. It takes a team.
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But, again, that made the Mavs 1/5 tough...exactly what we are right now. Brick was commenting that we need to be 3/5 to 4/5 tough.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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nbrans said:
First off, he's a power forward. Period. Second of all, Bibby never won lickety split before he came to the Kings, so that's not a worthwhile argument.



I think the Mavericks are a great example for all the "toughness" freaks out there. Everyone said oh, the Mavericks are soft, oh, the Mavericks aren't tough, they're weak. So what did the Mavericks do? They brought in Erick Dampier, a tough player, an inside presence, a shotblocker. He was going to help make them a defensive team. How did that work out for the Mavs, toughness guys? If anything it shows that focusing solely on one player or one position to be a difference-maker on defense is foolhardy. It takes a team.
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Let's see -- how did that work out? It made them a Top 10 defensive team, restored their creidbility after the Antoine Walker debacle -- which no doubt you would have thought was neato because gee, he can score, got them to the second round, and generally put them in the mix of dangerous teams. Now they just need to find a true wingman for Dirk, and they will be DANGEROUS.
 
Yoda

Yoda

Bench
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nbrans said:
First off, he's a power forward. Period. Second of all, Bibby never won lickety split before he came to the Kings, so that's not a worthwhile argument.
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I was proved wrong making the same argument about the pf thing a month ago. Check out his career stats.

SAR, at this point has been in the league much longer then Bibby was when he started winning. You can only be unlucky for so long.

While I like your argument for adding talent, Im just not sure SAR is the right talent to add. If we sign him he will be on a mid-lvl or higher. The end of those mid-lvl contracts are nasty. Just ask Portland and Derek Anderson...or even Kenny Thomas and his robust 2010 contract.
 
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thesanityannex

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Bricklayer said:
Let's see -- how did that work out? It made them a Top 10 defensive team, restored their creidbility after the Antoine Walker debacle -- which no doubt you would have thought was neato because gee, he can score, got them to the second round, and generally put them in the mix of dangerous teams. Now they just need to find a true wingman for Dirk, and they will be DANGEROUS.
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Dirk is no longer as dangerous, everyone and their mom knows how to stop him now, even Peja.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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nbrans said:
Who did the Mavs lose to in the playoffs, Brick? Wasn't it those "defensive stalwarts" the Phoenix Suns??? Those defensive specialists really did the trick...
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Ahem -- Amare Stoudamire, Shawn Marion. Names sound familiar to you? Or maybe a bit too high on the defense/athleticism scale and too long on the jumper scale to make it onto your radar?
 
nbrans

nbrans

All-Star
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Bricklayer said:
Ahem -- Amare Stoudamire, Shawn Marion. Names sound familiar to you? Or maybe a bit too high on the defense/athleticism scale and too long on the jumper scale to make it onto your radar?
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Shawn Marion is a good defender at the 4? Hmmm.... Not sure about that.

Bricklayer, your arguments are all over the board. Now you're telling me that the Kings need to emulate the Dallas Mavericks and the Phoenix Suns are a good defensive team????

Is the apocalypse is upon us???
 
Mad D

Mad D

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thesanityannex said:
Dirk is no longer as dangerous, everyone and their mom knows how to stop him now, even Peja.
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Is that the same Dirk that dropped 53 points last year? Also averaging a career high in points playing without his set up man, Nash for the first time in his career.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Nbrans said:
And boom, out in 6 games to the offensive-minded Phoenix Suns.
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Where quite notably the Mavs did NOT play any defense. Reminds me of our early year strugglesd with the Mavs -- the Mavs were posers, but our guys first instincts were always to run and score too, so they could tempt us into a dumb running game with them. I would say virtually every game we lost to the Mavs from that era was because of that syndrome. Made us forget who we were once we realized how to win. Same thing with the Mavs -- they reverted. One year, and especially a midseason coahcing change, of defensive emphasis went out the window as they just wanted to run run run and score with the Suns.

And as an aside, Phoenix was NOT an awful defensive team last year. Not good enough to win it all. But ranked 14th in the league in Opp FG%, had length and athleticsm and shotblocking ont he frontline etc.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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nbrans said:
Shawn Marion is a good defender at the 4? Hmmm.... Not sure about that.

Bricklayer, your arguments are all over the board. Now you're telling me that the Kings need to emulate the Dallas Mavericks and the Phoenix Suns are a good defensive team????

Is the apocalypse is upon us???
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It appears to be -- it is hard to argue with someone who apparently hasn't been watching the league for the last few years.
 
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ONEZERO

Guest
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I aint believing this signing till it happens... Maloofs talk about size, athletism, and defence, but were going after shareef freakin abdur rahim? God help us....

This is the BIG news?.... Hard to believe....

I only believe this signing(if it happens) as a part of a future trade.... It doesn't at all make us better at defense.... At ALL....
 
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thesanityannex

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Mad D said:
Is that the same Dirk that dropped 53 points last year? Also averaging a career high in points playing without his set up man, Nash for the first time in his career.
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Who cares about a career high in the regular season, he dropped like four points lower in the playoffs this year.
 
nbrans

nbrans

All-Star
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Bricklayer said:
It appears to be -- it is hard to argue with someone who apparently hasn't been watching the league for the last few years.
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Yeah, you're probably right, while I wasn't watching basketball I missed out on all that defense and "toughness" the Mavs and Suns were displaying.

Bottom line is that you're not even enjoying the fact that the Kings got a lot better. You're raining on you own parade!!
 
Yoda

Yoda

Bench
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nbrans said:
Bottom line is that you're not even enjoying the fact that the Kings got a lot better. You're raining on you own parade!!
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If this trade/signing goes through we will be mediocre for years to come. That is not better but I guess it is not worse either.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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BonziFan said:
But ranked 14th in the league in Opp FG%

But Ranked last in everything else
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That's barely worth even responding to. The "everything else" would consist of ONE thing -- ppg against. And that is an amateur stat at best, given that it is nearly 100% dependant on the pace you play at.

Were 5th or 6th in the league in blocks. Somewhere in the middle in steals. Their real Achilles heel was their rebounding with all three of their frontcourt players playing out of position. Were in the bottom 5 there.
 
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wow22

G-League
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A lot of opinionated people here, but anyone who thinks we are better off without SAR by "addition by substraction" without even getting SAR is blaspheming
 
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thesanityannex

Guest
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Yoda said:
If this trade/signing goes through we will be mediocre for years to come. That is not better but I guess it is not worse either.
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Since when is making the playoffs mediocre. If that is mediocrity, give it to me every year.
 
BigWaxer

BigWaxer

Starter
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I like this trade, I think we did improve at that position and that is a positive. I don't think it makes us a championship team but I think it makes us better.

This also allows us to somehow dump KT now or during the year for a disgruntled player somewhere (ending contract type player on FA or something), which will improve us overall in the future.

I think unless we were to get one of the superstar PF's or a superstar calibur player in another position we were not going to win a ring this year. This move makes us better then we currently are and it may set up for some action to trade in the future for even better.

GO KINGS!
 
Kev.in

Kev.in

Starter
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BonziFan said:
I don't know why everbody cant look at the fact that we are improving. You cant become great without improving first.
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The law of diminishing returns. He improves us, but not by much and he eats up minutes that could go to a player who does more to address our weaknesses. On the other hand, with Shareef in the fold, we're guaranteed playoff berths and first round exits for the next 5 seasons. That's what it's all about, I guess.

Whatever happened to the plan to add length + athletic ability to the frontcourt?... or was that what the Jamal Sampson signing was all about?
 
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