Sam Amick reporting to extension for Evans

[ParniValjak]

Not signing Reke to an extension will be yet another in line of many failures of this franchise.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Not signing Reke to an extension will be yet another in line of many failures of this franchise.

I agree, I really don't see what the point of not signing him would equal unless they're completely lost with using him. Do they think by chance if they don't sign him they can find someone better to use that money on when he walks away?

 

[Glenn]

I agree, I really don't see what the point of not signing him would equal unless they're completely lost with using him. Do they think by chance if they don't sign him they can find someone better to use that money on when he walks away?

I doubt it. Tyreke has value in trade more than any cap space gained by just letting him go. I think they are lost in using him but that doesn't mean you don't resign him and then trade.

 

[Amory]

Evans
Hickson
Honeycutt/Whiteside

for

Wall

This could possibly pry Wall from them. I think we could give up a lot less for Rondo considering Boston is looking to trade him.

I think that we could get a straight up Evans for Wall.

That was something I was thinking about being that Wall + Cousins would be awesome. Add a vet SF and we have a really good team.

 

[swisshh]

It's normal for young players to struggle. Think fans in Wisc or Oakland want to ship either out as much as fans here want to ship Reke out, even though he influences the game in many other ways than either, who both suck defensively btw?

I am not sure what you're asking/saying, but Warrior fans are open to Curry and Ellis being traded. The team is going nowhere with either. I doubt Bucks fans are scared to trade away Jennings if they can get something in return. Moving Bogut is probably a first priority for them though.

As for Wall, he's only in his second year and has absolutely crap all around him. The others are in their third year, have tasted the playoffs or had good players around them.

 

[Padrino]

I am not sure what you're asking/saying, but Warrior fans are open to Curry and Ellis being traded. The team is going nowhere with either. I doubt Bucks fans are scared to trade away Jennings if they can get something in return. Moving Bogut is probably a first priority for them though.

As for Wall, he's only in his second year and has absolutely crap all around him. The others are in their third year, have tasted the playoffs or had good players around them.

its wonderfully convenient to excuse wall of his team's poor play when tyreke detractors have refused to do the same when discussing tyreke. wall's play has been as disappointing in his second season as tyreke's play was in his own second season. and washington will likely be a loser in their third year together since drafting john wall, as well. i seriously doubt they're going to improve enough to own a winning record, even in the eastern conference. but i suppose wall will get a free pass then, too, because he's not tyreke, right? wall's court vision and his stunningly bad jump shooting (worse than tyreke's) equates to winning basketball, right? but tyreke's exceptional driving ability, above average rebounding, and excellent defense does not equate to winning basketball, right? it has nothing to do with the kings other players, right? it has nothing to do with their utterly empty SF position, their poor team defense, or their poor rebounding outside of demarcus cousins, right? nah, that couldn't be. points at the rim, defense, and rebounding aren't central to winning basketball. they never have been, have they? basketball history is rather illusory like that, i guess...

 

[Quix]

getting wall is a total pipe dream. getting anything of equal value...borderline pipe dream.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

One thing that nobody seems to be mentioning is that just because Tyreke might not get an extension does not mean that he's gone. He'll still be a restricted free agent and we can match any offer we get for him. It's been apparent for a while now that we probably will be (and well ought to be) reserving our "franchise extension" (or whatever it's technically called) for Cousins. That means that extending Evans only guarantees that he gets a max contract, and while I'm an Evans supporter, I'll admit he has work to do. There's no sense in bidding against ourselves rather than putting that carrot out in front of him. Fix the jumper over the summer, clean up the game a bit, and earn a max contract, or don't and see what you can get on the free market - we'll decide whether to match.

I'm not sure that given the situation this is the wrong move.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Evans is a keeper. End of story.

 

[Section 101]

One thing that nobody seems to be mentioning is that just because Tyreke might not get an extension does not mean that he's gone. He'll still be a restricted free agent and we can match any offer we get for him. It's been apparent for a while now that we probably will be (and well ought to be) reserving our "franchise extension" (or whatever it's technically called) for Cousins. That means that extending Evans only guarantees that he gets a max contract, and while I'm an Evans supporter, I'll admit he has work to do. There's no sense in bidding against ourselves rather than putting that carrot out in front of him. Fix the jumper over the summer, clean up the game a bit, and earn a max contract, or don't and see what you can get on the free market - we'll decide whether to match.

I'm not sure that given the situation this is the wrong move.

Teams are allowed to have 1 player with a 5 year extension from their rookie dead. All others must be 4 years. Then there is the Rose rule. From ESPN http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7372795/kevin-durant-first-benefit-derrick-rose-rule

One of the new rules has come to be known as the Derrick Rose Rule. It allows franchise-level players to receive a higher maximum salary starting in their fifth year in the league. These players now can receive the same maximum salary as a player with seven years in the league. In order to qualify, the player must meet specific eligibility requirements -- he must have been the Most Valuable Player at least once, been named to an All-NBA (first, second or third) team twice, or been voted in as an All-Star starter twice.

Petrie has been wrong on a few contracts in the past. Going the restricted route may cost more a year later, but thats better than overpaying more over 4 years.

 

[swisshh]

its wonderfully convenient to excuse wall of his team's poor play when tyreke detractors have refused to do the same when discussing tyreke. wall's play has been as disappointing in his second season as tyreke's play was in his own second season. and washington will likely be a loser in their third year together since drafting john wall, as well. i seriously doubt they're going to improve enough to own a winning record, even in the eastern conference. but i suppose wall will get a free pass then, too, because he's not tyreke, right? wall's court vision and his stunningly bad jump shooting (worse than tyreke's) equates to winning basketball, right? but tyreke's exceptional driving ability, above average rebounding, and excellent defense does not equate to winning basketball, right? it has nothing to do with the kings other players, right? it has nothing to do with their utterly empty SF position, their poor team defense, or their poor rebounding outside of demarcus cousins, right? nah, that couldn't be. points at the rim, defense, and rebounding aren't central to winning basketball. they never have been, have they? basketball history is rather illusory like that, i guess...

1. Wall was rated higher than Evans as a prospect and his supposed ceiling is higher. He's more athletic and more able to play PG. Part of the waning excitement over Evans is the revelation that he's not athletic or explosive enough to be a part of the superstar plays that get respect, media attention and special ref treatment. Wall has that ability.
2. This doesn't mean there hasn't been doubt creeping in about Wall. He doesn't use his speed as well as say Rose does.
3. Kevin Martin and Cousins are better than anything Wall has had. Thornton is a better version of Nick Young. My aim is not to make excuses. I leave that for folks who are happy with failure. I'm just stating what the situation is. Who on the Wizards would you rather have over their equivalent on the Kings? Think about it. In his second year, Evans got Cousins as a rookie. DMC was maybe the third best rookie last year (behind Wall). In Wall's second year, his star rookie is Jan Vesely, a very raw hustle guy.
4. Tyreke's defense is not excellent. It really should be. This should be the area that had made the third year jump if his jumper has not, but its not there. He takes plays off, has mental lapses. His defense of Lin in NY was just clueless.

 

[Prince_XY]

One thing that nobody seems to be mentioning is that just because Tyreke might not get an extension does not mean that he's gone. He'll still be a restricted free agent and we can match any offer we get for him. It's been apparent for a while now that we probably will be (and well ought to be) reserving our "franchise extension" (or whatever it's technically called) for Cousins. That means that extending Evans only guarantees that he gets a max contract, and while I'm an Evans supporter, I'll admit he has work to do. There's no sense in bidding against ourselves rather than putting that carrot out in front of him. Fix the jumper over the summer, clean up the game a bit, and earn a max contract, or don't and see what you can get on the free market - we'll decide whether to match.

I'm not sure that given the situation this is the wrong move.

I think this is the right move. Let Evans work for the money and let the market dictate his worth.

 

[Mass]

I'm against trading Tyreke, but if we could get Wall I think I would do it.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I like Tyreke, but I'm giving my 5 year contract to Cousins if I'm the Kings.

 

[Catalyst]

As others have said, getting Wall isn't going to happen. Young as can be, upside through the roof, #1 pick. Trading him makes zero sense on any level for the Wizards.

I am curious who you guys think we have a realistic shot at landing either via a trade or free agency that can make a highly positive impact on this team.

HoopsWorld has a nice breakdown of FAs: http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

 

[UK_King]

Even Rondo is now apparently "off the trade block"

There really isn't anyone out there who is "apparently available" that would make any sense for us.

Especially for someone as good as Evans.

 

[bajaden]

I like Tyreke, but I'm giving my 5 year contract to Cousins if I'm the Kings.

Well, if its an either, or, then I agree. Not sure it has to be, but this is definitely Cousins team, and that may be the rub for Tyreke.

 

[Section 101]

Well, if its an either, or, then I agree. Not sure it has to be, but this is definitely Cousins team, and that may be the rub for Tyreke.

They can only have one 5 year extension of a rookie contract.

 

[bajaden]

As others have said, getting Wall isn't going to happen. Young as can be, upside through the roof, #1 pick. Trading him makes zero sense on any level for the Wizards.

I am curious who you guys think we have a realistic shot at landing either via a trade or free agency that can make a highly positive impact on this team.

HoopsWorld has a nice breakdown of FAs: http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

I listened to a Podcast with Sam Amick on NBA trade deadline rumors. He doesn't think Tyreke is going anywhere in the short term. One player thats available, but comes with a big salary is Okafor, who is due 12.5 mil this year, 13.5 next season and 14.5 mil his last year. Amick reported that the Hornets are willing to throw in one of their lottery picks to any team willing to take on Okafor's contract. So the question is, how much, at age 30 does Okafor have left, and would he be an upgrade next to Cousins. It wasn't that long ago that folks around here wanted the Kings to trade for Okafor. Not endorsing the idea, just curious what everyone thinks.

 

[ElRey]

I listened to a Podcast with Sam Amick on NBA trade deadline rumors. He doesn't think Tyreke is going anywhere in the short term. One player thats available, but comes with a big salary is Okafor, who is due 12.5 mil this year, 13.5 next season and 14.5 mil his last year. Amick reported that the Hornets are willing to throw in one of their lottery picks to any team willing to take on Okafor's contract. So the question is, how much, at age 30 does Okafor have left, and would he be an upgrade next to Cousins. It wasn't that long ago that folks around here wanted the Kings to trade for Okafor. Not endorsing the idea, just curious what everyone thinks.

With the addition of a lottery pick from Charlottte, I would do it. You put Okafor, a shotblocker, at PF next to Cousins to complement him. You then hopefully add another quality player in the draft. The real question is if the Maloofs will do it because it's a lot of salary on Okafor's contract.

 

[Section 101]

With the addition of a lottery pick from Charlottte, I would do it. You put Okafor, a shotblocker, at PF next to Cousins to complement him. You then hopefully add another quality player in the draft. The real question is if the Maloofs will do it because it's a lot of salary on Okafor's contract.

Hickson and Whiteside for Okafor and the Hornets lotto pick would be a dream deal.

 

[ElRey]

Hickson and Whiteside for Okafor and the Hornets lotto pick would be a dream deal.

Heck we have plenty of SFs, just throw in some of them as well to match the salary.

 

[Section 101]

Heck we have plenty of SFs, just throw in some of them as well to match the salary.

The Hornets don't want salary. That's the whole point of getting rid of Okafor.

 

[whozit]

Hickson and Whiteside for Okafor and the Hornets lotto pick would be a dream deal.

Hickson and Donte works also.

 

[swisshh]

I listened to a Podcast with Sam Amick on NBA trade deadline rumors. He doesn't think Tyreke is going anywhere in the short term. One player thats available, but comes with a big salary is Okafor, who is due 12.5 mil this year, 13.5 next season and 14.5 mil his last year. Amick reported that the Hornets are willing to throw in one of their lottery picks to any team willing to take on Okafor's contract. So the question is, how much, at age 30 does Okafor have left, and would he be an upgrade next to Cousins. It wasn't that long ago that folks around here wanted the Kings to trade for Okafor. Not endorsing the idea, just curious what everyone thinks.

Are Hornets looking to trade him for nothing purely for salary relief?

What they would take back and what the Kings seek to become are the issues. Okafer and Cousins frontcourt isn't exactly a running frontcourt. If you luck out in the lottery and get a 1-3, you're probably looking at a young big as well. If that happens, you have a logjam. Though a lot of bigs and a lot of PGs is where you want your logjams.

 

[Bricklayer]

Are Hornets looking to trade him for nothing purely for salary relief?

What they would take back and what the Kings seek to become are the issues. Okafer and Cousins frontcourt isn't exactly a running frontcourt. If you luck out in the lottery and get a 1-3, you're probably looking at a young big as well. If that happens, you have a logjam. Though a lot of bigs and a lot of PGs is where you want your logjams.

Not being a running frontcourt is hardly relevant if you've got a good one. Besides, this is Magic Cousins you are talking about.

Never been an enormous Okafor fan for what its worth, but if you could pick up a rebounding/shotblocking big for free? AND get a lottery pick out of it? Are you kidding me? Makes you wonder why really... maybe for the sale fo the team? New Orelans can't be much more confident than us in their ability too sign a big free agent on the open market.

Oh, and if the rumor is actually right, that they would give a lottery pick to get rid of Okafor, then sounds like they can't be asking for much in return. Its like the Baron Davis deal last year for the Clips. The one that bit them in the *** BTW.

 

[Mass]

If the Hornets are willing to add a 1st round pick, I would do it. Even if Okafor has a big contract, we would get a defensive big who can guard PFs and block shots.
The point is, we saw that cap space is useless for this team. We are not going to sign big FAs, so this trade makes a lot of sense and if it's on the table we should do it.

 

[MANoICE]

If the Hornets are willing to add a 1st round pick, I would do it. Even if Okafor has a big contract, we would get a defensive big who can guard PFs and block shots.
The point is, we saw that cap space is useless for this team. We are not going to sign big FAs, so this trade makes a lot of sense and if it's on the table we should do it.

Could not have said it better myself. Love this deal as reported.

Already thinking about getting H. Barnes and K. Marshall to tag along.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

One would guess that they would be throwing in Minnesota's pick, or in the event that Minnesota's pick hits the lotto, the lower pick. So I'd count on the pick they would send being in the 10-15 range, but even so, if we can swallow the Okafor salary (maybe unload Salmons...maybe?) it's certainly worth the chance to get some more defense down low.

Cousins/JT
Okafor/Hayes

That seems like quite an upgrade in the frontcourt rotation. And it would allow Donte to "move back" to the 3. The salary might hurt, but I'm on board with the idea.

 

[Mass]

It's fine even if the pick it's in the 10-15 range. You can get very nice players in that range, especially in this upcoming draft. Then we all know that Petrie is maybe the best drafter among GMs, so the pick would be very valuable.