Sacramento selects Francisco Garcia

Bricklayer said:
If you have one or two players unable to create on their own, ok. They can't be your main scorers for precisley the reason we see with Peja -- they get taken away by a tough nasty defender who gets in their shirt. But you can have them on the roster. But you can't have nothing BUT guys dependant on the offense, because EVERY offense, no matter how good, can be diagrammed and diassected, in particular in a 7 game playoff series where teams see it game after game after game. Its going to break down at some point, guaranteed, and you need a player or players who are going to score anyway. Otherwise you are just going to get squeezed and collapse into a pile of ugly forced shots and turnovers.

So, WHO DID YOU WANT??? We get it, Garcia sucks. What was the better pick? What available 4 would have come in and made an impact, or even been a starter 2-3 years from now? Not to mention guys like Nene and Kwame will be on the market. The only guy I would have blinked at would have been Maxiell, who Detroit snagged. But, he undersized and you guys would have carped about him too.
 
on espn.com, they have video feed for selections, here is what they say about francisco garcia ( jay bilas )

"francisco garcia from louisville is 6'7'', over 200 pounds, and a very good long range shooter, although a bit streaky at times. he's a good athlete, with a very good feel for the game. he handles, and passes very well, well he could play a point position. he is excellent defensivley, with long arms, he's a perimeter shot blocker, and gets a lot of deflections. he moves without the ball, he's a hungry player who gets a lot of esteals. he also makes a lot of big time plays, he plays hurt, some question his shooting ablilty, but i think he can be a reggie miller type player in the NBA"

we shall certianly see. i'm hoping this is another petrie gem in the rough :D
 
It was the right pick. Decent defender and can shoot. ESPN compared him to Reggie Miller but with better shooting. Ill take a Reggie. This guy shouldnt have fell to #23 but since he did and since Cutino is leaving we had to pick him up.
 
Yoda said:
He's built differently, just by initial glance.
I was wondering about that too, it's the confidence that he carries himself with. He looks much more powerful at just five pounds heavier.
 
Bricklayer said:
Otherwise you are just going to get squeezed and collapse into a pile of ugly forced shots and turnovers.

I think this happens because guys get impatient, they try to do waht the media glorifies ie 'taking the team on their own shoulders and being that go-to-guy when nothing is working'. Yes, every offense can be defended very well, but if that offense is run to exaustion it will create a good shot more often than not. One guy missing a rotation, one guy missing an assignment and the team defense brakes down. I've seen no team execute defense impecably throught the game. A disciplined offense can produce a good shoot if they keep looking for it and not settling.

Now, it is true that we need versatility. We need size, rebounding, defense. We cannot have 12 Pejas. That is not a team. A team can do everything, 12 Pejas cannot. Admitedly (that has to be misspelled), I am not familiar with this player. I was just commenting on the need for a 'holy grail' kind of player.
 
Venom said:
So, WHO DID YOU WANT??? We get it, Garcia sucks. What was the better pick? What available 4 would have come in and made an impact, or even been a starter 2-3 years from now? Not to mention guys like Nene and Kwame will be on the market. The only guy I would have blinked at would have been Maxiell, who Detroit snagged. But, he undersized and you guys would have carped about him too.

Exactly. Brick, whether you like it or not Offense is our system and we all are complaining about the lack of defensive mindset and defensive players but untill this organization decides to make a change towards defense then this is the best we could get. I dont know what F's were still available that would start next year and produce. I except Garcia to start over Martin but who knows. Most of the F's left are undersized.
 
albeitrue said:
I was wondering about that too, it's the confidence that he carries himself with. He looks much more powerful at just five pounds heavier.
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they could be brothers
 
Mad D said:
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they could be brothers

Kevin to me has always looked considerably sma,ller than 6'7". I've been assured he really is, but if you just asked me without the program sitting in front of me, I would have said 6'5". Garcia though looks the full 6'7". Build and movements remind me of somebody, but can't think who.
 
Evenstar said:
on espn.com, they have video feed for selections, here is what they say about francisco garcia ( jay bilas )

"francisco garcia from louisville is 6'7'', over 200 pounds, and a very good long range shooter, although a bit streaky at times. he's a good athlete, with a very good feel for the game. he handles, and passes very well, well he could play a point position. he is excellent defensivley, with long arms, he's a perimeter shot blocker, and gets a lot of deflections. he moves without the ball, he's a hungry player who gets a lot of esteals. he also makes a lot of big time plays, he plays hurt, some question his shooting ablilty, but i think he can be a reggie miller type player in the NBA"

we shall certianly see. i'm hoping this is another petrie gem in the rough :D

if you want this video, pm me.
 
How can anyone take this as a bad sign!!! The Kings need to get better on defense but I think Petrie has the right attitude about how.

Not even Ron Artest could save our defensive problem with the lack of effort shown last season. Our only choice is to improve as a team. Bottom line: Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic, and Mike Bibby have to improve and at least show some consistency (besides sucking).

We drafted the BEST player available. Joe Kleine anyone! Its always the best idea to select the best player available near the bottom of the 1st round.

The offseason will begin soon and I am not going to give up on this team because we didn't draft a useless big.
 
if the kings wanted to take someone with more of a defensive mindset, luther head would have been the guy. the guy is a workhorse, has a very good shot, and always plays 110% no matter what game it is. he steps up big and is a very good defender. the only problem is that he has no set role, he was part of a 3 headed monster at Illinois, and while deron ran the show and dee was the energy guy, luther was the scorer and the ballhandler when deron was running off picks. i still think garcia is a hell of a pickup at 23 though
 
Lifetime Louisville Cardinal fan here, I could go on and on about Garcia, but I thought I'd show you guys this exert from the U of L media guide. Check out the bottom right corner where Garcia lists his favorites:


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Bricklayer- It appears you have stirred up quite a debate and I both agree and disagree with you. I understand exactly what you are trying to say. Offense doesnt win, Petrie just made a note of that at his press conferece and then we go out and draft a so/so defender (not a good 1v1 defender, better team defense with deflections, steals, blocks not always created by him) and a possible streaky shooter. This pick does not help the Kings convert to a defensive team like GP said needed to be done. Now its obvious that with Adelman remaining as the coach and this draft pick that the Kings are going to see if offense can win a championship (which it cant) or that the Maloofs are satisfied with a 2nd - 3rd round Playoff exit every year and possible sneak in to the Finals only to lose to a defensive team.

I agree that they needed and still need to become an deffensive team which takes time and this could have been a good start but I really dont see anyone else that could help us more right now.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
It was either Garcia or Julius Hodge that I wanted from the start, this is what we needed,
Garcia has the total package, Experience, Shooting, Passing, Defence, Athleticism, and don't tell me he's not athletic he averaged 1.5 blocks a game on a team that made it to the final four, the kid makes all the right descisions when he plays he has a very very High basketball IQ , He reminds of Doug Christie with a much better shot.

Doug Christie and Garcia are different types of players. Christie is/was an athlete who had a feel for the flow of a basketball game, but didn't have the polished skills to truly succeed from a scoring standpoint at the NBA level. Garcia has polished skills and a feel for the game, but he's not an athlete relative to the majority of NBA SGs. This lack of superior athleticism may cause some problems for him on the defensive end in trying to emulate the success Doug Christie had over the years.
 
Andriod_KiNg said:
http://mb6.scout.com/flouisvillefrm2.showMessage?topicID=34725.topic , they use to watch tapes of the Kings ... hes gonna know what to do with the ball right away..

Yup, Pitino had the team watch tapes of the Kings, our center Ellis Myles had double diget assist games late in the year. Garcia made the offense work, sacrificing his own scoring and shooting percentages to create for others. If we had a true PG who could have created and got Garcia some open looks his percentages would have been much higher. Most of his 3 point shots came w/ defenders draped on him.
 
jboCARDfan76 said:
Lifetime Louisville Cardinal fan here, I could go on and on about Garcia, but I thought I'd show you guys this exert from the U of L media guide. Check out the bottom right corner where Garcia lists his favorites:


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We were his favorite team. Bet hes happy we got him.
 
jboCARDfan76 said:
Yup, Pitino had the team watch tapes of the Kings, our center Ellis Myles had double diget assist games late in the year. Garcia made the offense work, sacrificing his own scoring and shooting percentages to create for others. If we had a true PG who could have created and got Garcia some open looks his percentages would have been much higher. Most of his 3 point shots came w/ defenders draped on him.
Thanks for your input bro, i expect him to have great number working with a PG like Bibby..
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
We were his favorite team. Bet hes happy we got him.

You think he means the team from this last season, or the teams from the previous four or five seasons before last?
 
Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
We were his favorite team. Bet hes happy we got him.

I will say this -- I think he has a better chance to succeed with us than he would have with any other team.
 
Brick, one question.. How do you know so much about this guy? You watch a lot of Louisville games? I catch a lot of College BBall, and have never seen this guy actually play. (probally have, but was not watching him as a future member of the Kings).

I personally like this pick, and think we are not going to get a great defender from the draft, and if we did, he would not be a good offensive player. FA market or via trade is where we can improve defensively.
 
I just feel like we drafted Kevin Martin all over again. Kinda like ok lets give this one more chance.
 
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