Sacramento selects Francisco Garcia
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Welp a day later and I can honestly say that while I was less than thrilled about the pick yesterday I'm pretty happy about it now. We got the BPA in my oppinion and more than that we got a player in the draft who isn't flawed. He's probly an NBA 2 who can play solid if unspectacular D, passes well, and shoots well. He has a team first attitude and fills a position we had a need for. Really, in the Kings system it fits best to have a great passing / shooting two, as long as he can not be a defensive liability, it fills a gap and gives us two young guys in Kevin Martin and Garcia that can be solid contributers.
I think my frustration last night was more with waiting / hoping for some bigger offseason changes to occur with our front line, so apologies if I came across as negative about Garcia or his abilities.
I think my frustration last night was more with waiting / hoping for some bigger offseason changes to occur with our front line, so apologies if I came across as negative about Garcia or his abilities.
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First of all, you just drafted the Rookie of the Year. With Miller's passing out of the post, Bibby's ability to penetrate the defense, and Peja's ability to stretch the defense Cisco will thrive. He will be the best passer on your team and create open looks for your big people. Your problem on defense last year was that your guards got beat off the dribble too easy - that's over.
Evans may or may not be resigned. Even if he is, three players doesn't create a log jam with the expanded roster. If the roster is going to be required to be 14-15 players, you would expect on a balanced team to have around three players for each position. The only question is if any of them are ready to be starter material.
Adelman will definitely develop young talent, just not when he has better veteran players in front of the kid. But what NBA coach plays rooks over more talented vets? Adelman groomed Peja, JWill(biggest headache of all time), Bibby, a still young CWebb. Guys like Hedo and Wallace have still not proven themselves to be consistent starters on teams far inferior to the Kings team they were on. And yes, Hedo had a stint in San Antonio, during which he so impressed them that they allowed him to sign elsewhere.
Well the part on his good character is stacking up, other than that hard game he had to play after one of his family members was murdered, and how he is always talking about wanting to move his mom out of her neighborhood, i just heard Grant talk about how he didnt accept the invite for the NBA draft because he was only offered 4 tickets and he decided to stay home with his entire family since he couldnt take everyone...
okay okay I've been gone for quite some time. Haven't really heard any new news as far as the Kings are concerned and now I'm wondering....
What happened with Mobley? Why would this guy start in place of him? Was he traded/going to be traded? I haven't paid attention to the off season at all other than the playoffs a little and I need to catch up
What happened with Mobley? Why would this guy start in place of him? Was he traded/going to be traded? I haven't paid attention to the off season at all other than the playoffs a little and I need to catch up
1) Drazen was pinned behind CLYDE DREXLER!!! Don't know why that's such a difficult point to understand. He was also new to the league and making the transition, which normally takes European players a few years anyway. And I suspose I should mention he was also a crappy defender since once again we are trying to assign blame to Rick for having Bibby/Cat/Peja/Thomas/Miller on the team as defenders..
2) There are real questions about whether Garcia can stay in front of quick NBA players. His footspeed is average, and he's a better off the ball help defender than he is lockdown guy on his own man. We'll see, but he could end up being more helpful giving us a little length and surprise rotation shotblocking than in locking anyboyd up and keeping them out of the paint.
2) There are real questions about whether Garcia can stay in front of quick NBA players. His footspeed is average, and he's a better off the ball help defender than he is lockdown guy on his own man. We'll see, but he could end up being more helpful giving us a little length and surprise rotation shotblocking than in locking anyboyd up and keeping them out of the paint.
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okay okay I've been gone for quite some time. Haven't really heard any new news as far as the Kings are concerned and now I'm wondering....
What happened with Mobley? Why would this guy start in place of him? Was he traded/going to be traded? I haven't paid attention to the off season at all other than the playoffs a little and I need to catch up
What happened with Mobley? Why would this guy start in place of him? Was he traded/going to be traded? I haven't paid attention to the off season at all other than the playoffs a little and I need to catch up
Yeah maybe he can help out Bibby! Thats what this team needs is help defense. I swear, even though I didn't like seeing Kenny Thomas getting on the guys after a blown assignmetn, but the fact was he was right on most occasions. Kenny would do his part and nobody would rotate over. If we just learn to ROTATE we would be drasitcally improved. No rotation shows bad preperation to me.
This all depends on whether or not Garcia can play. If he can, we might very well be better off with his versatility. But this is an old (23 yr old) rookie who struggled in his college career against athletic/physical players who smothered him, and now he is entering the most atheltic/physical league in the world. Cat is the proverbial bird in the hand -- the guy who you KNOW can play at this level, and play at a high level as a legit starter. Garcia? Lot of teams didn't think so. Including a numebr that had serious OG issues. We'll have to see for us. If he can go 12 4 and 4 for us, shoot 43%, and not get blown by on defense, I think we may well be better off with his size and versatilty -- good traits to have. Ont he other hand if he ends up struggling to get his shot off and getting consistently beat by quicker players on defense, we may be wishing we had the established pro back pretty quickly.
I was more refering to that fact that Francisco can pass/handle the ball very well. If he passes half as well as he did in college than he still has twice the ability as Cat. He isn't the kind of player that will jack up a ton of shots. He can hit them, but I just think IF he can succeed at all, than with his skill set he may be a better fit.
How do you chant his name in Arco?
Pe-Ja
Bib-by
Jack-son
Mil-ler
Web-ber (old)
Mar-tin
Ev-ans
Now Tags is tricky and you dont usually hear "Os-ter-tag" but if you do there arent many saying it. People need a two syllable name to yell out unless its a 3 letter word like MVP. So, I say we chant MVP instead of Gar-ci-a every time he touches the ball and it will inspire him to have an MVP type performance every time he hears it (home games).
Hey, Its Wednesday night and Im bored and is there anyone out there that thinks my idea is incredible or is there anyone that has another?
Now if we are speaking strickly nicknames then im sure people will come up with some fast. Rook's usually get one. (K-Mart, Special K, etc)
Pe-Ja
Bib-by
Jack-son
Mil-ler
Web-ber (old)
Mar-tin
Ev-ans
Now Tags is tricky and you dont usually hear "Os-ter-tag" but if you do there arent many saying it. People need a two syllable name to yell out unless its a 3 letter word like MVP. So, I say we chant MVP instead of Gar-ci-a every time he touches the ball and it will inspire him to have an MVP type performance every time he hears it (home games).
Hey, Its Wednesday night and Im bored and is there anyone out there that thinks my idea is incredible or is there anyone that has another?
Now if we are speaking strickly nicknames then im sure people will come up with some fast. Rook's usually get one. (K-Mart, Special K, etc)
I don't understand the issue with his age. Evans is 26 and people on here are talking like he's fresh out of college. Furthermore, if Peja can still be lauded for his "potential" at 28, then certainly Garcia might have some at 23(and I know you don't say it Brick, but I'm feeling cheeky). What are you basing the above struggle comment on? The Illinois game and what some mock drafts have said? Alot of elite level OGs struggle against the Bowens and Artests of the world, I don't understand why the possibility of Garcia doing the same is so earth rendering. Deron Williams played him tough, but he played Chris Paul tough too, and no mock drafter/Stephen A. Smith/Bricklayer is saying that Paul will struggle in the league.
Hey, we would all rather have Granger, Graham, Green, or even Hodge. But the draft did not work out that way, and we still got a solid starter. I'm really baffled as to what all the fuss is about.
Hey, we would all rather have Granger, Graham, Green, or even Hodge. But the draft did not work out that way, and we still got a solid starter. I'm really baffled as to what all the fuss is about.
As am I -- what all the jocking fuss is about. The issues I am raising are 100% legit and have been mentioned by nearly every single person who has reviewed or scouted Garcia coming into this draft. They are quite likely why Minnesota passed on him, why Denver passed on him. They are the legitimate doubts that make him a #23 pick you hope will work out rather than a #14 that you expect to work out. And if you are significantly planning your future with him in mind, you have to be damn sure you take into accoutn the legit possibility he struggles on this level.
Does not in anyway mean that he WILL fail, but IF he does, those will be the reasons and brushing them off as irrelevant is pointless. They are there. The good part is that he is coming to the right team to maximize his strengths while not sweating his weaknesses. The bad part is that unless we make some significant supplementary moves, he's not adding much to the party we didn't already have. I'll be watching his defense and passing to see whether we got any better in those areas. Because we've got shooters galore, and he'll be lucky if he can even so much as match that aspect from the man he may be replacing (Cat).
The age is significant only in that it makes it less likely that he is going to take a great leap forward to overcome those things, and even less likely that he will be able to signficantly buff up his body. Possible, but like Kevin this is more than just a question of a skinny teenager who has yet to grow into his adult male body. Just who/what he is. You have much more of a finished product than you would if he was 18 or something (and watching him play you get the idea the game is already "mature" as opposed to watching Kevin and saying "if he just did this or just did that, or was just a little less rough things could be much different". And so its even more critical that Garcia be ready from the opening bell, because if he's not good enough now you aren't going to expect him to get nearly as much better over the next 4 years as a 18 yr old would be by 22. If a 23 yr old isn't ready, you may just be screwed rather than being able to sit and wait for him to grow up and into his body as you might with a kid.
Does not in anyway mean that he WILL fail, but IF he does, those will be the reasons and brushing them off as irrelevant is pointless. They are there. The good part is that he is coming to the right team to maximize his strengths while not sweating his weaknesses. The bad part is that unless we make some significant supplementary moves, he's not adding much to the party we didn't already have. I'll be watching his defense and passing to see whether we got any better in those areas. Because we've got shooters galore, and he'll be lucky if he can even so much as match that aspect from the man he may be replacing (Cat).
The age is significant only in that it makes it less likely that he is going to take a great leap forward to overcome those things, and even less likely that he will be able to signficantly buff up his body. Possible, but like Kevin this is more than just a question of a skinny teenager who has yet to grow into his adult male body. Just who/what he is. You have much more of a finished product than you would if he was 18 or something (and watching him play you get the idea the game is already "mature" as opposed to watching Kevin and saying "if he just did this or just did that, or was just a little less rough things could be much different". And so its even more critical that Garcia be ready from the opening bell, because if he's not good enough now you aren't going to expect him to get nearly as much better over the next 4 years as a 18 yr old would be by 22. If a 23 yr old isn't ready, you may just be screwed rather than being able to sit and wait for him to grow up and into his body as you might with a kid.
Brick, I understand what you're saying, I just think it's overly pessimistic. As for Minnesota, I would rather have Garcia than McCants. I do not like McCants, absolutely overrated, and Felton bailed him out more times than I can count.
But seriously, this is a team rebuilding on the fly, and they landed a starter at #23. Sure, it's a job he gets by default, but so what. I am just overjoyed that for once Petrie went BPA instead of trying to pull some razzle-dazzle garbage. That's an extremely positive sign to me. It means he finally gets it, and is starting to take a page out of Joe Dumars' book. It seems you are reading this pick the opposite way, because it duplicates an existing talent. I don't know how to convince you, or even if I can, but this pick is very encouraging to me in regards to Petrie and his basketball philosophy. I don't think Garcia was picked for the Princeton O. That offense is dead, and Garcia is a guy who's talents can be applied in any base set you may wish to run. Garcia slipped a little on draft day because you have guys like John Nash and Isaih Thomas involved. Why would they make a rational pick? If Garcia is gone, we probably go after Petro, in which case everybody would be wondering who the heck this French guy was. There are always question marks, but Garcia is a baller.
But seriously, this is a team rebuilding on the fly, and they landed a starter at #23. Sure, it's a job he gets by default, but so what. I am just overjoyed that for once Petrie went BPA instead of trying to pull some razzle-dazzle garbage. That's an extremely positive sign to me. It means he finally gets it, and is starting to take a page out of Joe Dumars' book. It seems you are reading this pick the opposite way, because it duplicates an existing talent. I don't know how to convince you, or even if I can, but this pick is very encouraging to me in regards to Petrie and his basketball philosophy. I don't think Garcia was picked for the Princeton O. That offense is dead, and Garcia is a guy who's talents can be applied in any base set you may wish to run. Garcia slipped a little on draft day because you have guys like John Nash and Isaih Thomas involved. Why would they make a rational pick? If Garcia is gone, we probably go after Petro, in which case everybody would be wondering who the heck this French guy was. There are always question marks, but Garcia is a baller.
And in the second Year Portland brought in Danny Ainge - a exceptional defender .
Drexler might have been better player but Porter was not. Would be nice if RA could just say what was going on in practices during those 2 years. Drazen was killing them in scrimmage. When he went to Nets he did not need to adjust. He just needed a chance to PLAY.
.Drexler might have been better player but Porter was not. Would be nice if RA could just say what was going on in practices during those 2 years. Drazen was killing them in scrimmage. When he went to Nets he did not need to adjust. He just needed a chance to PLAY.