Reason for the Kings Road Woes?

Reason For The Road Woes?

  • Young Guns

    Votes: 9 15.3%
  • Just Lack Of Energy

    Votes: 27 45.8%
  • Home Teams Simply Play Better

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • Arco Is Just That Damn Good

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • Lack Of Ball Movement

    Votes: 13 22.0%

  • Total voters
    59

SacKings384

Starter
As everyone has easily noticed, the Kings are an entirely different team on the road. It has to be one of the widest game difference from home to the road in the NBA (not in terms of record but in performance) So what is the reason for this? I personally think it's the young guns play, they are substantially worse on the road. I can't really expect much being that they are so young, but I think the hole without them being productive is to big to fill with Bibby struggling offensively.
 
The reason the Kings don't win on the road is because they got no one to defend the paint. Brad Miller is a weak defender and is slow in rotations. Shareef is undersized and not a shot blocker. Kenny Thomas is just well... Kenny Thomas. Anways the reason they win at arco is because they are making their jump shots and the crowd gives them the support they need. Other reasons could be lack of talent in bench, injuries, ron artest adjusting to the offense, inconsistency, and the list goes on...
 
Gasol16 said:
The reason the Kings don't win on the road is because they got no one to defend the paint. Brad Miller is a weak defender and is slow in rotations. Shareef is undersized and not a shot blocker. Kenny Thomas is just well... Kenny Thomas. Anways the reason they win at arco is because they are making their jump shots and the crowd gives them the support they need. Other reasons could be lack of talent in bench, injuries, ron artest adjusting to the offense, inconsistency, and the list goes on...

Aye! And I sense that someone's going to mention the word "TRADE".:p
 
I guess it's how the coaches train their guys and the DEFENSE! The best player in the team is always from a trade (Bonzi,Artest).
 
West_Gunslinger16 said:
Aye! And I sense that someone's going to mention the word "TRADE".:p

Well I'm just spelling out the truth to this teams weaknesses. I dont know where I said about a player being traded or not. Not really trying to point out that somene needs to be traded because I believe we're past that point by now. Kings have their weaknesses in that 4th position. Until we have a big that will rotate and help out this team will struggle in this area.
 
I'm going with poorly coached and not that good.

Any coach that admits that they haven't practiced defense in over two weeks is just a poor coach.

Let me add the caveat, before I get torched and burned at the stake, Adelman might have been a great coach and still might be a great coach. I just don't think he is acting like a great coach right now.
 
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They consistently don't come out and give anywhere close to the same effort on the road. At home, they jump on teams and everyone is playing in the passing lanes, they get out in transition. On the road, they show no hustle and move around the floor like the other team is just going to back off. Last night the Lakers were defending the post aggressively and getting right up in the chests of the perimeter guys. Instead of attacking it and forcing fouls or using their quickness to beat the defender the Kings were just giving up, passing it or backing out or forcing a shot.

I don't know how much of it goes on the players heads, but something is not right when you look at how the Kings have played in their last 8 home games and how they've done almost the complete opposite in the last 8 road games. Some of that has to come back to coaching. The Spurs and Pistons can bring a consistent effort, why not the Kings?
 
Kev.in said:
They consistently don't come out and give anywhere close to the same effort on the road. At home, they jump on teams and everyone is playing in the passing lanes, they get out in transition. On the road, they show no hustle and move around the floor like the other team is just going to back off. Last night the Lakers were defending the post aggressively and getting right up in the chests of the perimeter guys. Instead of attacking it and forcing fouls or using their quickness to beat the defender the Kings were just giving up, passing it or backing out or forcing a shot.

I don't know how much of it goes on the players heads, but something is not right when you look at how the Kings have played in their last 8 home games and how they've done almost the complete opposite in the last 8 road games. Some of that has to come back to coaching. The Spurs and Pistons can bring a consistent effort, why not the Kings?

Spurs and Pistons are actually good teams.

We haven't seen this in a while, but this is still fairly clasic bad team stuff, and esepcially bad Kings teams stuff. Play well at home, crappy on the road. Only the worst teams play poorly at home too.
 
I will admit that last night it looked like we couldn't get near the rim and we couldn't keep them away from it.........very frustrating
 
Kev.in said:
They consistently don't come out and give anywhere close to the same effort on the road. At home, they jump on teams and everyone is playing in the passing lanes, they get out in transition. On the road, they show no hustle and move around the floor like the other team is just going to back off. Last night the Lakers were defending the post aggressively and getting right up in the chests of the perimeter guys. Instead of attacking it and forcing fouls or using their quickness to beat the defender the Kings were just giving up, passing it or backing out or forcing a shot.

I don't know how much of it goes on the players heads, but something is not right when you look at how the Kings have played in their last 8 home games and how they've done almost the complete opposite in the last 8 road games. Some of that has to come back to coaching. The Spurs and Pistons can bring a consistent effort, why not the Kings?

The Spurs and Pistons have had the same people getting more and more comfortable with eachother for YEARS now.

I hate that we lost to LA....I didn't sleep well. But now everyone is asking why why why. Don't you people understand that winning on the road comes down to knowing your teammates. And the fact of the matter, like Stever Kerr eluded to last night, is simply that we are still trying to incorporate Ron offensively. Defensively we know what we can do, and we are still trying to polish that over, with no help from the coaching staff. But offense takes time. Hopefully not too much time.

Ron was taking some ugly shots last night that kinda ruined the flow of our offense. We never got K-Mart involved. People weren't taking open looks, and we had a plethora of bad passes. We had a bad night, and besides the fact that every LA scrub had a career game, we forgot to pack our hearts for the road trip. Plain and simple.

It seems obvious to me that once we get more comfortable with eachother offensively, we will start winning road games. I just hope it comes sooner than later.
 
There is a good and a bad to all of this:

The bad is that the trading season has ended
The good is that we can still fire Adelman.

nuff sed.
 
PFFFT!! said:
There is a good and a bad to all of this:

The bad is that the trading season has ended
The good is that we can still fire Adelman.

nuff sed.
Great reasoning...dismantle a talented squad and make them mediocre talent wise, then fire the coach because his team is playing mediocre.
 
This whole thread is about the squad not being that good, whats with trying to make it better? If we do have a surreal dream of bringing in KG, Adelman will probably still leave us at the NBA finals door. So thats pointless. :\
 
Yoda said:
Great reasoning...dismantle a talented squad and make them mediocre talent wise, then fire the coach because his team is playing mediocre.

Most analysts didn't think this team was mediocre talentwise.

Reef - anywhere from middle of the pack to a very good PF.
Miller - anywhere from very good to excellent C
Bibby - anywhere from middle of the pack to very good PG
Bonzi - anywhere from middle of the pack to very good SG
Peja - anywhere from very good to excellent SF

He couldn't get the pieces to work well together.

I still blame his overreliance on Princeton Offense. Instead of changing as his talent changed - he stood pat and pushed against the change to our detriment.

That's typically indicative of poor coaching. If a coach can't inspire, motivate or get a team to work well together - it's usually a coaching issue.
 
Yoda said:
Great reasoning...dismantle a talented squad and make them mediocre talent wise, then fire the coach because his team is playing mediocre.

seriously!! Let's see, the roster has changed basiscally top to bottom, losing a lot of talent and putting together a whole new group of players that need to adjust to eachother. The coach, on the other hand, is the same coach that has brought his team to the playoffs how many times?? Clearly the problem is the coach. :rolleyes:
 
playmaker0017 said:
Most analysts didn't think this team was mediocre talentwise.

Reef - anywhere from middle of the pack to a very good PF.
Miller - anywhere from very good to excellent C
Bibby - anywhere from middle of the pack to very good PG
Bonzi - anywhere from middle of the pack to very good SG
Peja - anywhere from very good to excellent SF

He couldn't get the pieces to work well together.

I still blame his overreliance on Princeton Offense. Instead of changing as his talent changed - he stood pat and pushed against the change to our detriment.

That's typically indicative of poor coaching. If a coach can't inspire, motivate or get a team to work well together - it's usually a coaching issue.

How many times has Adelman had the same roster in the last 1 1/2. With injuries and trades, it's no wonder that this team hasn't had time to gell. While the talent may be there on paper, you can't just take players stats, throw them together & expect it to work. Building a team is more complicated than that, and this team is coming together, but is hardly built as a championship team.
 
love_them_kings said:
The coach, on the other hand, is the same coach that has brought his team to the playoffs how many times??

That team was special. They were talented in ways to facilitate the Princeton offense to perfection.

Even without the Princeton, I think that team wins. They had a strong starting unit with clearly defined roles and a deep bench.

The fact that they had defined roles shows that the coach actually did what his name implied. This team is a joke. No one knows what they are doing and where thier supposed to be. We're trying to force something on players that it isn't their strong suit.

That's coaching.

Clearly the problem is the coach. :rolleyes:

Any coach that says that we haven't worked on defense (our biggest problem) for weeks is really not coaching.
 
playmaker0017 said:
That team was special. They were talented in ways to facilitate the Princeton offense to perfection.


Any coach that says that we haven't worked on defense (our biggest problem) for weeks is really not coaching.

No argument to the first point. That team was special.

And, I doubt that he literally hasn't worked on defense for weeks. Maybe it hasn't been his concentration, but we have a lot of issues right now. For example, not being able to score in the 4th quarter of a road game! :( Working Artest into our system, dealing with injuries, and figuring out why we play so poorly on the road are issues that undoubtedly have created some distractions over the past month or so.
 
love_them_kings said:
No argument to the first point. That team was special.

REAL SPECIAL!

I mean, Webber and Divac was just a combo that really just is impossible to compete with. In my opinion - KG/Miller wouldn't even rival it, but it's the best combination that emulates that combo that exists. KG is like Webber in where he likes to play and how he plays. Miller is no Divac though, but is a similar player.

Reef/Artest/Bonzi - they all are very good players that are left out in the cold with the Princeton. It doesn't let them play their game at all.

For example, not being able to score in the 4th quarter of a road game! :( Working Artest into our system, dealing with injuries, and figuring out why we play so poorly on the road are issues that undoubtedly have created some distractions over the past month or so.

Pretty simple - I've been saying it for a long time, and so have a lot of people, jump shooting looks good on some nights and awful on other nights. Live by the jumper, die by the jumper. What's worse is that when the defense turns it up a notch ... it falters almost every time.

26 points in the paint last night. AWFUL! Packed lane or not. Reef touched the ball twice in the post last night. Artest only a few more times. That's just silly.
 
SacKings384 said:
As everyone has easily noticed, the Kings are an entirely different team on the road. It has to be one of the widest game difference from home to the road in the NBA (not in terms of record but in performance) So what is the reason for this? I personally think it's the young guns play, they are substantially worse on the road. I can't really expect much being that they are so young, but I think the hole without them being productive is to big to fill with Bibby struggling offensively.

lack of talent
 
what im noticing with when the kings play on the road since aquiring artest, is that they place much, much worse defense than they do at home

artest seems to have more energy on D at home, and it brings more energy to the whole team...that was perfectly exampled yesterday with the dunk show the Lakers had in the first half
 
playmaker0017 said:
Any coach that says that we haven't worked on defense (our biggest problem) for weeks is really not coaching.

Perhaps in this case, coaching is assessing need and priority.

The defense, while far from perfect, HAS picked up apparently all on its own. The offense, however, has looked just plain ugly for the last few games. No one knows what to do or where to go, there's no trust whatsoever, still no definied roles, just ugly basketball.

I will not now, nor would I ever, advocate an all offense/no defense philosophy. However, as odd as it may be when considering a Kings team, maybe the offense is what needs a little bit more work right now.

Holding teams to 80 points is great, but not if you go for stretches of over ten minutes without scoring a single point. Repeatedly.
 
GoGoGadget said:
The defense, while far from perfect, HAS picked up apparently all on its own. The offense, however, has looked just plain ugly for the last few games.

I agree.

But, I truly believe that it can be summed up to our points in the paint.

We are trying to win on jump shots. Whether they are from Miller or Artest or Bibby or Thomas ... none of them are really atttacking the basket. Part of the reason the lineup of Garcia, Martin, Reef, Artest, Thomas was working is that Reef, Martin and Garcia ATTACKED the rim. Last game they sat back and popped jumpers.

Holding teams to 80 points is great, but not if you go for stretches of over ten minutes without scoring a single point. Repeatedly.

Again, we do the same thing until we're blue in the face whether we are experiencing success or failure.
 
Inability to execute at crunch time with a myriad of reasons why. But, primarily because of the change in personnel and what they bring to the team. The addition of Artest has given us, finally, (along with Bonzi) an inside option but we havn't effectively use it yet. What I see is the ball going low to Ron/Bonzi and then everyone clearing out to the other side of the floor as if it's a one on one play. Then the double comes and because there's no one in their line of sight they either dribble out of it and start all over with less clock, pass over or through the D (with resulting increase in turnovers) to our guys spaced from the top of the key to the opposite corner. The entry pass person needs to stay in the low post man's sight so he can kick it back out to him when the double comes and they can swing it around outside for a shot, drive or pass to the opposite low post. Also, right now, teams don't mind letting Martin and Cisco shoot so they harrass Mike and force the others to shoot. We have decent enough talent if used properly but we still lack a defensive presence at the rim.
 
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