Rate Webber Trade on a scale of 1 to 10

[trade Bibby too]

I was just wondering how the rest of you felt about the Webber trade. I for one, a huge Kings Fan all my life, feel confused and feel the organization didn't show this all star player any respect, after he gave to team so much. Please rate from 1 to 10. It was like some back alley shady deal that they didn't want anyone to notice. Since they've given up on the season, why not trade Bibby and peja also, that way they can really revamp the team for youth and strength.

 

[kingsfannPDX]

right now i'd give it about a 1. sure it might help the kings on down the road but i thought we were trying to win a championship and give the guys we had one more chance. i certainly don't like the timing of the trade. either trade webb at the beggining of the season or at the end. not right after the all-star break for god's sake. seems to me that petrie gave up and wants to rebuild when we had a legitimate chance at a run for a title. we'll be lucky to make the playoffs this season. so yeah, i give it a 1.

 

[piksi]

I think the general opinion is that we should give it a year before making any definite conclusion

 

[vj9999]

Welcom to kingsfans.com . I hope your nickname is a joke, because people will not want to take "trade bibby too" seriously.

If you look back at threads from last week, there have been tons of threads on the trade and even some polls.

 

[kingsfannPDX]

I think the general opinion is that we should give it a year before making any definite conclusion

wait another year... story of life for kings fans.

 

[piksi]

Welcom to kingsfans.com . I hope your nickname is a joke, because people will not want to take "trade bibby too" seriously.

we already have a "Kings-Lakers Fan" nick. Nothing surprizes me anymore.

 

[vj9999]

we already have a "Kings-Lakers Fan" nick. Nothing surprizes me anymore.

You still can't get over that one

 

[trade Bibby too]

Timing The Worst Part

Thanks for the the quick responses. I know you guys have been posting all about the webber trade, but it's not something that should be brushed under the rug and forgotten. I know it's going to take me at least the rest of the season to deal with it. So if I'm drudging up bad memories, I think it's important to deal with them.

Do you think Petrie had a meeting with the Maloofs before the trade. I would have loved to bean a fly on that wall. What do you guys think happened? I agree with the reply they the timing of the trade was the worst part about it. Not that Webber had a chance to win the MVP, he's ineligible now, but to go and have to play against your brothers right away was like something out of Hamlet. Do you think Petrie looked at the schedule and did it on purpose or did it have to do with the deadline? How do I change my user name...it was a bad joke, but I'm upset.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

right now i'd give it about a 1. sure it might help the kings on down the road but i thought we were trying to win a championship and give the guys we had one more chance. i certainly don't like the timing of the trade. either trade webb at the beggining of the season or at the end. not right after the all-star break for god's sake. seems to me that petrie gave up and wants to rebuild when we had a legitimate chance at a run for a title. we'll be lucky to make the playoffs this season. so yeah, i give it a 1.

We'll be lucky to make the playoffs? Are you kidding??? The only way the Kings don't even make the playoffs is if other teams get lucky themselves to make it in the top 8. The Kings have 36 wins and I believe that 45 wins will get you in and the Kings should easily get to 50...They just have to go 14-10 the rest of the way to get there, which is by all means doable. So to say that they will be lucky to make the playoffs is ridiculous. Before the trade the Kings had lost 6 of 7 and they were nowhere near a team that was going to compete for a title. I'm not saying that they are there now, but IMO the Kings were not going to win a title this year before the trade, and they probably still won't, but this trade will eventually keep the window for a title open longer than if the trade wasn't made at all.

 

[VF21]

I was just wondering how the rest of you felt about the Webber trade. I for one, a huge Kings Fan all my life, feel confused and feel the organization didn't show this all star player any respect, after he gave to team so much. Please rate from 1 to 10. It was like some back alley shady deal that they didn't want anyone to notice. Since they've given up on the season, why not trade Bibby and peja also, that way they can really revamp the team for youth and strength.

The NBA is a business. The Maloofs own the business and have the right to conduct it in the manner they feel will best suit the needs of the business and the consumers.

Trades are NEVER made public ahead of time so this deal was no different than any other except that Petrie is really, really good about keeping leaks out of the media.

I've pretty much moved on. What's done is done and if Geoff Petrie pulled the trigger on the deal, he had a darned good reason for doing so.

Webber's salary, in excess of $60 million over the next three years, was going to be 35% of the total in its final year. There was always the real consideration that he might physically simply not be able to play or would have to play significantly reduced minutes. That had to have been a major part of the decision process. Now, we still have the salary commitment but it's spread over three different players, much easier to move than one huge contract.

I love what Chris Webber, Vlade Divac and Jason Williams brought to the team but it's time to look forward to a new, different team. We aren't going to win the 2002 WCF and we're never going to get revenge for it. That's just a fact of life.

It's too early to judge the complete ramifications of this trade and we have no way of knowing what else Petrie has in mind but I would be willing to bet every piece of Kings memorabilia I've gathered in the last 20 years that this is just the beginning. This isn't the Kings team of the future. It's a team in transition. We need to just hold on, cheer for the guys that are wearing the uniform now, and watch and see what happens.

GO KINGS!!!

 

[VF21]

Thanks for the the quick responses. I know you guys have been posting all about the webber trade, but it's not something that should be brushed under the rug and forgotten. I know it's going to take me at least the rest of the season to deal with it. So if I'm drudging up bad memories, I think it's important to deal with them.

Do you think Petrie had a meeting with the Maloofs before the trade. I would have loved to bean a fly on that wall. What do you guys think happened? I agree with the reply they the timing of the trade was the worst part about it. Not that Webber had a chance to win the MVP, he's ineligible now, but to go and have to play against your brothers right away was like something out of Hamlet. Do you think Petrie looked at the schedule and did it on purpose or did it have to do with the deadline? How do I change my user name...it was a bad joke, but I'm upset.

It may be important for YOU to deal with things, but most of us on this board have already done it. We have tons of threads in the past week that reflect it. You might want to read all of them.

As far as changing your user name goes, send a PM to Jeremy and let him know what you want your new name to be and he'll take care of it for you.

 

[piksi]

You still can't get over that one

I never will.

 

[KKSloga]

right now i'd give it about a 1. sure it might help the kings on down the road but i thought we were trying to win a championship and give the guys we had one more chance. i certainly don't like the timing of the trade. either trade webb at the beggining of the season or at the end. not right after the all-star break for god's sake. seems to me that petrie gave up and wants to rebuild when we had a legitimate chance at a run for a title. we'll be lucky to make the playoffs this season. so yeah, i give it a 1.

At this point you cannot give the trade a 1 or a 10 because it is too early. I think that right now you can grade from anywhere between a 4-6. I would give it a 6 right now only because the pieces we have picked up have shown some potential. Of course it is all still way to early to tell.

Lets Just get back Peja, Brad, Bobby and Darius!!

 

[kingsfannPDX]

At this point you cannot give the trade a 1 or a 10 because it is too early. I think that right now you can grade from anywhere between a 4-6. I would give it a 6 right now only because the pieces we have picked up have shown some potential. Of course it is all still way to early to tell.

Lets Just get back Peja, Brad, Bobby and Darius!!

i can give it whatever rating i want. i think, like i said before, that it might help the kings down the road!! but for now, for this season, i'll give it a 1. the timing stunk, and i thought our chances were better at making a playoff with webb. it's my opinion and i think i'm entitled to it. so if it turns out that in a few seasons everything worked out... great. but for now, my hopes at making a playoff run with the group of guys we have now is slim. so for now the trade gets a 1. if we win a championship this year we can dig this thread back up and i'll give it a 10. the playoffs start in a month and a half. it's going to be tough. what's done is done and i'm still a kings fan and i love this team.

GO KINGS

 

[ReinadelosReys]

::sigh::

Will we ever stop analyzing this trade (I guess its just a testament of what a player Webb is). It happened, its over with, this is what we got now. Lets move on. Whether it was a good/bad trade can not be fully determined now. It is what it is regardless of whatever numberical rating you want to put on it.

Here I'll start: From now on I will refer to the former Sacramento Kings PF who wore #4, as "He who shall not be named." * That era is over, time to start a new one, whether I like it or not.



* of couse with the exception of the March 28 game and all avatars/signatures

 

[10bibby10]

all i gotta say is whoever is "trade bibby too" needs to really change ur nick name cuz i know 90 % of the people on this forum think that he is the "captain" / leader of the team now...so...just think about that before u make that kind ofa nick name

 

[NoBonus]

I give the trade a 10. This trade was absolutely vital to the future of the Kings as a playoff/championship level team. If the Kings did not trade Webber when they did, it is entirely possible they would not have another chance to trade him. Think about it, if he got injured again or if his performance began to decline, no team would take him and his massive contract from the Kings unless he was packaged with some other star player or players. How likely is it that one of these two things will happen? If you have been following Webber's career, highly likely.

What did the Kings get in return for Webber? Some role players, but more importantly, the Kings got rid of the burden of Chris's contract. When the trade was announced, I felt sad; I like Chris Webber a lot. However, I also felt an enormous weight lifted from the future of the Kings. With Webber, the future revolves around him and his health. Without Webber, the future is wide open. And with Geoff Petrie making the deals, a wide open future is a bright future.

 

[Twix]

I give the trade a 10. This trade was absolutely vital to the future of the Kings as a playoff/championship level team. If the Kings did not trade Webber when they did, it is entirely possible they would not have another chance to trade him. Think about it, if he got injured again or if his performance began to decline, no team would take him and his massive contract from the Kings unless he was packaged with some other star player or players. How likely is it that one of these two things will happen? If you have been following Webber's career, highly likely.

What did the Kings get in return for Webber? Some role players, but more importantly, the Kings got rid of the burden of Chris's contract. When the trade was announced, I felt sad; I like Chris Webber a lot. However, I also felt an enormous weight lifted from the future of the Kings. With Webber, the future revolves around him and his health. Without Webber, the future is wide open. And with Geoff Petrie making the deals, a wide open future is a bright future.

Good post, NoBonus. This is also how I thought of it too when the trade happen.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I give the trade a 10. This trade was absolutely vital to the future of the Kings as a playoff/championship level team. If the Kings did not trade Webber when they did, it is entirely possible they would not have another chance to trade him. Think about it, if he got injured again or if his performance began to decline, no team would take him and his massive contract from the Kings unless he was packaged with some other star player or players. How likely is it that one of these two things will happen? If you have been following Webber's career, highly likely.

What did the Kings get in return for Webber? Some role players, but more importantly, the Kings got rid of the burden of Chris's contract. When the trade was announced, I felt sad; I like Chris Webber a lot. However, I also felt an enormous weight lifted from the future of the Kings. With Webber, the future revolves around him and his health. Without Webber, the future is wide open. And with Geoff Petrie making the deals, a wide open future is a bright future.

I could not have said it betterr!!!!

 

[KP]

Once the Sixers play 15 games and the Kings play 15 games I'll rate it. At this point I'm just observing.

 

[Alacron]

You can't rate a trade after 3 games... not accurately anyway. My feeling is, I probably wouldn't have done it, but I'm not getting paid the big bucks like Petrie.

If the Kings don't make the playoffs again for 10 years, was this a good trade? If our dynasty begins this postseason, was it a good trade? Either way, we'll find out in time.
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[ZEKEDAWG]

8. You can't keep your players forever. Look at Jerry rice. The best of all time at the reciever position and he was traded away by the Niners. Webber is a great player. But he has peaked, and is on the down hill side, still has good years, he willjust be playing them in a different uniform.
I am a kings fan and will always be one. I am not a GM of an NBA team, I will never be one. It isn't my place to second guess Petries decision, that is what he gets paid for. I liked the kings when they stank. I sat upper deck at the first playoff game in history. For me it couldn't get any better, i expect more now and I think we are on our way. THere are going to be some changes come the off season, just wait and see.

We just need to get our team whole before the playoffs.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

You can't rate a trade after 3 games... not accurately anyway. My feeling is, I probably wouldn't have done it, but I'm not getting paid the big bucks like Petrie.

If the Kings don't make the playoffs again for 10 years, was this a good trade? If our dynasty begins this postseason, was it a good trade? Either way, we'll find out in time.
~~

Even without Webb the Kings will continue to make the playoffs for the foreseeable future. Webb was a great player for the Kings but all this talk of how his departure has depleated this team to the point of them not even making the playoffs is a direct slap in the face to Mike, Peja, and Brad first and foremost, the coaching staff, and the other players on the team. If Mike, Brad and Peja all play up to their potential then each of those guys is in the top 5 and maybe top 3 in the league at their respective positions. If that's not good enough to be an upper echelon team then I'm missing something.

 

[NewEraKings05]

I give it a 5 because the Kings are an unfinished product. I know Petrie has more tricks up his sleeve, so ask this again in about 1 to 2 years and the Kings are on the verge of a game 6 in the WCF.

 

[ghost of H.S.T]

ZEKEDAWG your image tag is great! When Doug put the hurt on Fox I was laughing my head off...Tell me who's the "Queen" when you get yer face mashed in!

 

[kingsfannPDX]

What did the Kings get in return for Webber? Some role players, but more importantly, the Kings got rid of the burden of Chris's contract.

and are now burdened with 3 role players contracts. this was no salary dump.

 

[EmKingsFan4]

8. You can't keep your players forever. Look at Jerry rice. The best of all time at the reciever position and he was traded away by the Niners. Webber is a great player. But he has peaked, and is on the down hill side, still has good years, he willjust be playing them in a different uniform.
I am a kings fan and will always be one. I am not a GM of an NBA team, I will never be one. It isn't my place to second guess Petries decision, that is what he gets paid for. I liked the kings when they stank. I sat upper deck at the first playoff game in history. For me it couldn't get any better, i expect more now and I think we are on our way. THere are going to be some changes come the off season, just wait and see.

We just need to get our team whole before the playoffs.

Okay my comment has nothing to do with your post...your avatar totally kicks a**! I am never one to advocate violence against anyone but, and please tell me if you disagree, Rick Fox was being such a jerk I was really happy to see Doug stick up for himself and let him no "I am no pushover!!" Classic Kings Moment!!

 

[ghost of H.S.T]

I couldnt agree more...When Peller elbowed Garnett it destroyed our chances of taking that series, bad move. Pretty gangster of him though.

 

[crutonimo]

I give it a 7...

With room for improvement...IF a BJax + Corliss/Kenny T. for a big happens like i think it will...then i'll give it a 9...
Also am i the only one who likes Skinner? The season he had with the Bucks wasnt a fluke....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3265
...or thats what im hoping

 

[NoBonus]

and are now burdened with 3 role players contracts. this was no salary dump.

No it wasn't but we can make more trades with these three players' smaller contracts than with Webber's giant contract. The key is the flexibility to make trades.