bigbadred00
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Nene, Swift has serious injury "wussy" problems ala Webber. He breaks a nail, he needs to be put on the IR (I'm a Memphis resident).
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Bricklayer
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Jerryaki said:So of the first two, who would be better for us, Nene or Swift?
Better fit? Nene I think. Better skills, but not the impact shotblocker that Swift can be.
Jerryaki
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Bricklayer said:
and if we do land nene or swift, what would the roatation be? brad back at the 4 or keep him at the 5?
i've heard a lot of fans here talk about these two guys possibly coming, and i'm not sure yet if i'm on board.
nene should get his last name back, and lord help me if i have to see swift do that bird thing with his hands a whole season...
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y2kings
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Are people forgetting that him and mike bibby DONT GET ALONG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? this wouldnt work...i was amazed to see that he's even coming to sac to visit...
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nbrans
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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/1650497p-1726002c.html
Hmm... I seem to remember hearing this before.
And even if they didn't get along, they were in VANCOUVER.
Edited to add story:
Kings Notes: Bibby, Abdur-Rahim deny Vancouver rift
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 5:30 am PST Wednesday, February 20, 2002
The story has it, one of the reasons the Vancouver Grizzlies struggled in British Columbia, especially later on, was the inability of point guard Mike Bibby and small forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim to get along.
That story has been communicated across many lines, but Abdur-Rahim and Bibby consistently have refuted its accuracy.
Abdur-Rahim said during the All-Star break he has never had a problem with Bibby on or off the court.
"I've heard that before, and I don't know where that came from," said Abdur-Rahim, who like Bibby was traded from the Grizzlies during the offseason before the team moved to Memphis. "Mike and I got along fine. He's one of the few guys from that team that I still communicate with, him and Grant Long.
"I think when a team is losing, people are always going to look for reasons, and sometimes they are going to be wrong. That's the case in this situation. I tried to call Mike just a couple of days ago. Tell him I said hello, when you see him."
Bibby also had heard the reports of troubles between himself and Abdur-Rahim.
"Who said that?" Bibby asked. "Me and 'Reef never had any problems. Did you ask him? What did he say?"
When Bibby was told Abdur-Rahim had agreed with him, the Kings guard nodded. "I don't know why anyone would have said that," Bibby said. "It's true we both are competitors and neither one of us could stand losing. But that's about it."
Hmm... I seem to remember hearing this before.
And even if they didn't get along, they were in VANCOUVER.
Edited to add story:
Kings Notes: Bibby, Abdur-Rahim deny Vancouver rift
By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 5:30 am PST Wednesday, February 20, 2002
The story has it, one of the reasons the Vancouver Grizzlies struggled in British Columbia, especially later on, was the inability of point guard Mike Bibby and small forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim to get along.
That story has been communicated across many lines, but Abdur-Rahim and Bibby consistently have refuted its accuracy.
Abdur-Rahim said during the All-Star break he has never had a problem with Bibby on or off the court.
"I've heard that before, and I don't know where that came from," said Abdur-Rahim, who like Bibby was traded from the Grizzlies during the offseason before the team moved to Memphis. "Mike and I got along fine. He's one of the few guys from that team that I still communicate with, him and Grant Long.
"I think when a team is losing, people are always going to look for reasons, and sometimes they are going to be wrong. That's the case in this situation. I tried to call Mike just a couple of days ago. Tell him I said hello, when you see him."
Bibby also had heard the reports of troubles between himself and Abdur-Rahim.
"Who said that?" Bibby asked. "Me and 'Reef never had any problems. Did you ask him? What did he say?"
When Bibby was told Abdur-Rahim had agreed with him, the Kings guard nodded. "I don't know why anyone would have said that," Bibby said. "It's true we both are competitors and neither one of us could stand losing. But that's about it."
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ONEZERO
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nbrans said:
To me, the KINGS were the BEST team in basketball, no matter what happened.
As far as rahim goes, it will just be like many are saying, "not a big upgrade at pf". Were better off with nene, swift or hunter. Maybe gadzuric.
chelle said:
Because some fans seem to have a tendency to make very large mountains out of very small molehills.
Most times, with some very notable and obvious exceptions, those huge feuds are nothing more than "heat of the moment" disagreements that soon blow over and are forgotten - by everyone by fans and sports writers. The players themselves don't - for the most part - take that kind of stuff seriously.
Alacron
Bench
I think it's a little unfair to characterize Petrie as only valuing offense and not defense... in the past we've had a fair mix of both. Now, in rebuilding mode, we have most of our offensive pieces in place and we just have to hope Petrie is working on the defensive side of things.
The Christie acquisition was almost exclusively for defense. He became part of our core, despite a distinct scoring disability.
Bobby Jackson has always played great defense, though he's slipping lately.
In 2001, Williams-for-Bibby was considered a defensive upgrade, though it's hard to believe now.
Keon Clark in 2002 was primarily a shotblocker.
Webber could hang with any of the top PFs before the injuries started piling up. Holding Brand to 3 points, frustrating Duncan, blocking consecutive Garnett gamewinners. And Malone was vastly overmatched in the playoffs.
Vlade defended Shaq better than anyone in the league, which was all that mattered at the time.
If you consider that either Garcia or Evans can become a very good defender, all we really need is a tough big man (not Rahim, unless he's playing SF or coming off the bench), and we'll have a fairly balanced team.
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The Christie acquisition was almost exclusively for defense. He became part of our core, despite a distinct scoring disability.
Bobby Jackson has always played great defense, though he's slipping lately.
In 2001, Williams-for-Bibby was considered a defensive upgrade, though it's hard to believe now.
Keon Clark in 2002 was primarily a shotblocker.
Webber could hang with any of the top PFs before the injuries started piling up. Holding Brand to 3 points, frustrating Duncan, blocking consecutive Garnett gamewinners. And Malone was vastly overmatched in the playoffs.
Vlade defended Shaq better than anyone in the league, which was all that mattered at the time.
If you consider that either Garcia or Evans can become a very good defender, all we really need is a tough big man (not Rahim, unless he's playing SF or coming off the bench), and we'll have a fairly balanced team.
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AleksandarN
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sloter said:
You are not serious are you?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Shareef may not be the idea of what I want out of the summer but....
you also have to have TALENT to win. Shareef is a talented player, without stating his flaws or strengths, he is simply a talented basketball player. If he was in a Kings uniform, which may or may not happen, I wouldn't bag the next decade.
Mike, Brad, Peja, and whoever else is on this team next year needs to work harder and play more as a team on defense. Bringing in one guy with the intention of solving our defensive woes would be sending the wrong message. In reality whoever becomes a King this offseason isn't going to bring us any closer to a championship unless the core is leading the way. Sure I would rather put some defensive minded "role" players with the core but the reality is that without greater effort from the Kings "new leaders" the situation is hopeless. What ever success this team has or is going to have begins and ends with these three individuals.
you also have to have TALENT to win. Shareef is a talented player, without stating his flaws or strengths, he is simply a talented basketball player. If he was in a Kings uniform, which may or may not happen, I wouldn't bag the next decade.
Mike, Brad, Peja, and whoever else is on this team next year needs to work harder and play more as a team on defense. Bringing in one guy with the intention of solving our defensive woes would be sending the wrong message. In reality whoever becomes a King this offseason isn't going to bring us any closer to a championship unless the core is leading the way. Sure I would rather put some defensive minded "role" players with the core but the reality is that without greater effort from the Kings "new leaders" the situation is hopeless. What ever success this team has or is going to have begins and ends with these three individuals.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
VF21 said:
NICE!!!
jay dubb
G-League
Hey he is at the top of the PF free agents list so if he signed with the Kings that would be great, and hey he did have his best seasons when he played with bibby. About the whole defense issue one guy isn't going to make us a great defensive team everybody on that Kings roster once training camp rolls around has to come in with the mindset that they are going to play better defense thats the only way I see them getting any better at it.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
zeke04 said:
Gotta love it!
At the point I can predict all of our offseason moves just on the softy/shooter GM/owner profile I have been developing, is there any need to be paying Geoff big $$ anymore? Peja for the max anyone?
Now let's assume it happens. Depends a little on who/what got sent in the sign and trade, but that frontcourt is going to be AWFULLY crowded.
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Yoda
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While I doo not like Rahim in a long contract situation, trading Williamson would be ok for us. Trading Thomas means we are severely overpaying.Bricklayer said:Gotta love it!
At the point I can predict all of our offseason moves just on the softy/shooter GM/owner profile I have been developing, is there any need to be paying Geoff big $$ anymore? Peja for the max anyone?
Now let's assume it happens. Depends a little on who/what got sent in the sign and trade, but that frontcourt is going to be AWFULLY crowded.
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