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Funny you said Sergio at the end, cuz so far haven't heard you say anything negative about him or Rubio.
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Funny you said Sergio at the end, cuz so far haven't heard you say anything negative about him or Rubio.
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Dude come on! You know this guy makes every single dig possible about a player who has THREE FREAKING PRESEASON games under his belt, and yet looks like he COULD be the best two-way player the Sacramento era Kings have ever had. I mean, at some point don't you think that maybe you should let the brigade against him flow. He's bringing it upon himself man. Seriously. How, after 3 preseason games, is it "clearly evident" Evans is not pg material? How can one not be excited or at least interested in what the future could hold for this team? Oh, I see, all I have to do is read one of his posts to know exactly what Laker fans are saying about the Kings. It gets very old and stale.
I'm not one of these rose colored glasses wearing, myopic Kings fans. I know this team is not good, has potential that is unrealized, has holes at almost every position. But with this guy on the team, there is now a solid option at the pg position. I guess I just (along with a lot of others obviously) am fed up with all of the subtle digs after THREE PRESEASON GAMES when not even the coaching staff has fully evaluated the team they are leading.
bajaden
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First things first. I reserve hating for Hitler and such people. So I'm not a hater, and I resent being called one. I've never called you a hater.
Secondly, I personally don't care where Evans plays. But just because you say he can't play the point, and use the fact that he was on the floor with another point guard and therefore not playing the point when he aquired some of his assists, just doesn't make it so.
Lets apply a little logic here. In order to create an assist, you have to get the ball to the right player in the right spot. And last time I checked, the ball had to be passed by the player getting the assist. So are you implying that its harder to get an assist if you playing the point than it is if your playing SG or SF. Isn't the vision requirement the same. Aren't the mechanic's the same. Isn't the degree of difficulty the same.
To my mind, if you have the ability to get assists, then you have the ability to get assists. How does having half your assists coming from the pt guard position and the other half coming from the SG position disqualify you from being a point guard. I simply don't follow the logic. He brought the ball up the court almost every time when he was on the floor with only a few exceptions.
As I said, I don't care where he plays on the floor because I think he's going to be a special player. But if he can play the point, that makes him that much more special. So you can either look for the things he did right, or you can look for flaws that aid you in your vendetta to prove he can't possibly be a point guard. But you'll have to do better than pointing his 9 assists as a reason he can't play the point.
OptimusRhyme
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lol your hilarious, your basketball sense just keeps looking better and better every post.
so we are "grade a haters"? im grading you an A+ hater towards evans right now and i dont understand why it has to be that way because evans is such a promising Guard.
to clarify evans only got blocked twice.. not 4 times like you said multiple times. (theres a stat for that). Evans is our PG now and prolly for the next 10 years + so you better start liking it soon.
Tyreke a 6th man??
haha you dont draft a needed postion in the top 5 and play him off the bench on a loosing team when he IS your future. Tunnel vision or not he got us 9 asts (and should of had more) with only 3 to's. do the math and thats a solid ratio for a rookie who is just learning the way.
I get it. you want a traditional PG. Well we have ourselve a hybrid mix of one that has the size to abuse any guard on the court... and he cant even get into bars yet.
As much as you want to deny it. You ARE hating on Evans and its just stupid. Hes the best thing to come along for the last 10 years. How about you sink your mind into that for a little while and just enjoy that we got ourselves an allstar/possible superstar Guard that will cause matchup problems every game for the other teams PG. Because 99 % of Kingsfans on this board and around the world have been waiting for this player to come for A LONG TIME!! and he finally has, so dont ruin the party dude.. just sit back and watch this kid take over the franchise and bring us back to the top.
cheers
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Showtime
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Ever heard of a guy named Wade? Yeah, he's done pretty well as a SG with primary ball handling responsibly. So has a lot of other "combo" guards who don't have a clearly defined traditional role. If you keep looking for the next John Stockton, you will miss out on some serious talent because today's game has changed and players like Evans can be a difference maker.
Question: do you think Rubio would have been the better choice?
Chupacabra
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The Kings badly needed a player that can do the things Evans does. Im fine with Evans getting blocked as long as he keeps attacking the basket. His style of play pays off. Once he can shoot from long range with consistancy hes going to be a nightmare to defend.
beb0p
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I see. His fault noted, but I think there are plenty of encouraging signs from Evans. Thanks Aries.
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I would be estatic if Evans turned into a Wade type of player, I actually think that Evans will end up as a sg. I would love for that to happen. Wade came into the league in the same position a combo guard being asked to be a pg... Wade couldn't even do and neither could lebron. I think that Evans will become a good player but it wont be at pg.
Yeah I wouldve choosen rubio, I do think that he wouldve helped the team progress as much if not more in the end than Evans. That doesn't mean that I won't enjoy watching Evans play as a king. I look forward to it. I'm just at odds with a handful if posters that think that Evans will be the pg of the future for this team and I don't agree. Then there are those who don't care what position that he plays but still get on my case when I say that the position that he will play is sg. For some reason everyone here seems to think that I dislike Evans because I don't think he can play pg. Which isn't true....
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Isn't this all kind of a moot point? Coach said he'd be playing what amounts to a shared point, between nominal PGs, SGs, and SFs, and he has been doing that. You can call any of them the point, or none of them, and it doesn't really matter.
Just for the record, here are our cumulative assist and TO figures so far.
D Mason: 4 asst, 0 TO, A/TO ratio: infinity asst/48: 11.3
B Udrih: 8 asst, 3 TO, A/TO ratio: 2.67 asst/48: 6.0
A Nocioni: 2 asst, 1 TO, A/TO ratio: 2.0 asst/48: 1.6
T Evans: 15 asst, 10 TO, A/TO ratio: 1.5 asst/48: 7.1
J Brockman: 1 asst, 1 TO, A/TO ratio: 1.0 asst/48: 1.2
K Martin: 3 asst, 4 TO, A/TO ratio: 0.75 asst/48: 1.8
J Thompson: 4 asst, 6 TO, A/TO ratio: 0.67 asst/48: 2.4
S Rodriguez: 3 asst, 5 TO, A/TO ratio: 0.60 asst/48: 4.3
S Hawes: 2 asst, 4 TO, A/TO ratio: 0.5 asst/48: 1.5
O Casspi: 0 asst, 2 TO, A/TO ratio: 0.0 asst/48: 0.0
bajaden
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Dude, your getting caught up in semantic's. Its not important! Your worshiping at the altar of labels. What was Oscar Robertson? Was he a point guard or a SG? He averaged double digit assists for his career. But he was as good playing off the ball as he was with the ball. Who handles the ball most of the time for the Heat? Who handles the ball most of the time for Cleveland? Would you call Magic a point guard today? There were times when he played off the ball. When Pearl Monroe and Walt Frazier played together, who was the point guard? They were one of the best guard combinations in NBA history, but both were considered point guards until they played together.
As I've stated before, when I started watching basketball back in the stone age, there wasn't anything called a point guard. There were two guards, two forwards and a center. And you know what, basketball was still pretty good then. The trend of late has been going back in that direction. Your starting to see more and more ambiguity where positions are concerned. Some would say thats because there's a lack of talent to properly fill those positions. I think its some of that. I also think its because teams want to put the best five players on the floor together, and labels be dammed.
In the Kings case that means putting Martin and Evans on the floor together. To you, that means Evans is the point guard, and for some reason that rubs you the wrong way. Not sure why, unless your really that stuck on Rubio. I would hope not. So try to forget the labels and just think of both of them as guards. If it works and they can develop a good chemistry it could become a potent backcourt. If it doesn't work, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But if you go in predisposed to thinking it can't work, then thats all your going to see. Its just human nature dude.
Anyway, we can discuss this at the game in Feb. The beer is on me. Figuretively of course.
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Kingsguy881
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Dude, your getting caught up in semantic's. Its not important! Your worshiping at the altar of labels. What was Oscar Robertson? Was he a point guard or a SG? He averaged double digit assists for his career. But he was as good playing off the ball as he was with the ball. Who handles the ball most of the time for the Heat? Who handles the ball most of the time for Cleveland? Would you call Magic a point guard today? There were times when he played off the ball. When Pearl Monroe and Walt Frazier played together, who was the point guard? They were one of the best guard combinations in NBA history, but both were considered point guards until they played together.
As I've stated before, when I started watching basketball back in the stone age, there wasn't anything called a point guard. There were two guards, two forwards and a center. And you know what, basketball was still pretty good then. The trend of late has been going back in that direction. Your starting to see more and more ambiguity where positions are concerned. Some would say thats because there's a lack of talent to properly fill those positions. I think its some of that. I also think its because teams want to put the best five players on the floor together, and labels be dammed.
In the Kings case that means putting Martin and Evans on the floor together. To you, that means Evans is the point guard, and for some reason that rubs you the wrong way. Not sure why, unless your really that stuck on Rubio. I would hope not. So try to forget the labels and just think of both of them as guards. If it works and they can develop a good chemistry it could become a potent backcourt. If it doesn't work, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But if you go in predisposed to thinking it can't work, then thats all your going to see. Its just human nature dude.
Anyway, we can discuss this at the game in Feb. The beer is on me. Figuretively of course.
Wow. And you put it so eloquently. Great post.
You couldn't convince me that an experienced Evans and Martin and Thompson trio would be weaker than a Rubio/Martin/Thompson trio either.
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