Pre-draft workout videos

[vikinginferno]

You are right. I had full intent on insulting you. I meant to insult your knowledge and the intent of the post. I don't think Tyreke can work as well with no support than IT. They are not the same player. Tyreke could not bring a blast of energy off the bench and IT could. Mimicing my words indicates in my mind that you think Tyreke and IT are equal. That's not very observant or basketball savvy. If you DO know the difference between the two, you were trolling by putting out BS to get a rise out of me. It certainly made little other sense.

Yes, I've been here 12 years. In fact I am the first poster to sign up. That doesn't mean I have to politely take a bunch of nonsense from ANYBODY when it seems clear they are making a nonsensical point and simply trying to make fun of what I said. Yes, trolling.

You clearly do not understand my point at all. I am NOT saying that Tyreke and IT are equal as I have made that clear many times that I do not think that. As I stated multiple times in posts above this, my post was meant as satire to try to disprove your point that saying that when you make the point that "IT should come off the bench to help the team" isn't a knock against him. I posted that to try to get you to understand that if someone said the same thing about Tyreke, it would definitely be a knock against him to tell him he should come off the bench for the team. Once again, I was trying to get you to understand that saying that about Tyreke would be seen as a knock against him and seen as "hate" against Tyreke. When it is said against IT, you tried to say it isn't a knock against him.

Look, it is clear you misunderstood my post and that is okay. I'll try to be a bit clearer in my satire next time. Just cool down with the "trolling", you are way off there, buddy. I'm not making fun of you in the least bit.

 

[Telemachus]

I said the starters. Jimmer is not a starter. Here's the thing. I didn't say that he gets criticized more than Thornton. What I am specifically talking about is that people say if we want to have a good defensive team, we can't start IT. I just don't see that about Thornton. Thornton may get criticized more for his defense, but for some reason, people seem to be fine with the defense if he were to start next to Tyreke at guard defensively. On the other hand, many have said they feel it is simply impossible to be a good defensive team with IT starting at PG for the sole reason he is 5'9". It is these absolutes that I find fault with. I definitely don't see that about DeMarcus and DeMarcus is playing a much more important position defensively.

Let me bring up another player from a while back in history. Calvin Murphy, HOF guard standing 5'9", was a great defensive player in the 70s-80s (while also being an incredible scorer and even averaging 26 points one season). His quickness allowed him to be a "great" defensive guard REGARDLESS of his height. You just can't say absolutely that he cannot be a great defensive PG simply because of his height, because that just ain't true.

The problem is with BOTH IT and MT starting in the backcourt together. You are putting the team at a disadvantage at both guard spots defensively. That is why the Kings need to start Tyreke with either IT or MT to help out the team's overall defense. You just can't have both guard spots be defensive liabilities unless you have a premier shot blocker guarding the basket.

Like I said before, IT can become a good defensive player in many regards. However, his height will always create certain problems on defense. Taller guards will always be able to shoot over him. This means that he has to get right up on players defensively in order to be more effective, but that results in making whoever he is guarding have a quicker first step (making him easier to get around). He also will be a huge mismatch whenever he ends up on a switch.

 

[vikinginferno]

The problem is with BOTH IT and MT starting in the backcourt together. You are putting the team at a disadvantage at both guard spots defensively. That is why the Kings need to start Tyreke with either IT or MT to help out the team's overall defense. You just can't have both guard spots be defensive liabilities unless you have a premier shot blocker guarding the basket.

Like I said before, IT can become a good defensive player in many regards. However, his height will always create certain problems on defense. Taller guards will always be able to shoot over him. This means that he has to get right up on players defensively in order to be more effective, but that results in making whoever he is guarding have a quicker first step (making him easier to get around). He also will be a huge mismatch whenever he ends up on a switch.

I don't think I mentioned anywhere starting IT and MT. I said for IT and Tyreke starting together, not IT and MT.

IT is in no way a "defensive liability". I am not sure exactly how good he is/will be on defense, but he is at least average and can hold his own. Tyreke has better defensive potential, but in terms of defensive play last season, IT was better.

You say all these things, but the stats simply say otherwise. He had the lowest defensive points per possession out of the guards (that includes Tyreke) and had no trouble in post up situations (a large amount on switches) as he gave up .6 points per possession on post-ups, 9th in the entire NBA.

You can say all of these things that he has problems with, but the stats tell me otherwise. Until you give me some data that tells me he is actually not doing well defensively or that he causes problems defensively, I am going to keep following what I see when I actually watch him play defense and when I look at his defense statistically. Go ahead and keep thinking he can't do something because he's 5'9" (he's actually over 5'10" in shoes, which is what is used for NBA heights).

 

[Uk kings fan]

Hi guys.... if you find any workout vidios of the ""top 6" at a team can you let me know please and highlight vidios of them too

thanks

 

[Glenn]

I don't think I mentioned anywhere starting IT and MT. I said for IT and Tyreke starting together, not IT and MT.

IT is in no way a "defensive liability". I am not sure exactly how good he is/will be on defense, but he is at least average and can hold his own. Tyreke has better defensive potential, but in terms of defensive play last season, IT was better.

You say all these things, but the stats simply say otherwise. He had the lowest defensive points per possession out of the guards (that includes Tyreke) and had no trouble in post up situations (a large amount on switches) as he gave up .6 points per possession on post-ups, 9th in the entire NBA.

You can say all of these things that he has problems with, but the stats tell me otherwise. Until you give me some data that tells me he is actually not doing well defensively or that he causes problems defensively, I am going to keep following what I see when I actually watch him play defense and when I look at his defense statistically. Go ahead and keep thinking he can't do something because he's 5'9" (he's actually over 5'10" in shoes, which is what is used for NBA heights).

Don't mean to start the same old argument but what if we sarted TWill and Tyreke and brought IT and MT off the bench? IT and MT would rip a new orifice in the opposing team's body and defensively might be a little vulnerable but this is against the other team's bench, for cripe's sake. It also satisfies my desire to see a giant lineup on the court also. (Oh, Adelman, where are you?)

We CAN have a flexible team with TWill on the team and that may allow for this. Remember last year when we all held our breath when the starters came out? No more. The bench would kick it into a different gear.

I still think trading MT for a starter at SF or PF, depending on the draft, is the best way to go but this at least deserves a rational discussion.

 

[Uncia03]

Don't mean to start the same old argument but what if we sarted TWill and Tyreke and brought IT and MT off the bench? IT and MT would rip a new orifice in the opposing team's body and defensively might be a little vulnerable but this is against the other team's bench, for cripe's sake. It also satisfies my desire to see a giant lineup on the court also. (Oh, Adelman, where are you?)

We CAN have a flexible team with TWill on the team and that may allow for this. Remember last year when we all held our breath when the starters came out? No more. The bench would kick it into a different gear.

I still think trading MT for a starter at SF or PF, depending on the draft, is the best way to go but this at least deserves a rational discussion.

If we end up drafting a top SF or even trading for a good veteran SF, my preference would be a Tyreke/TWill/new SF starting combination.

If Tyreke and TWill are able to come into this new year with even a little bit better shooting, then I think the defense and athleticism of that line-up would balance out the lack of shooting.

So with-out question, that is how I'd like to start the year. Now if we're 10 games in and the lack of shooting is killing the team, then I'd be fine switching TWill for IT/MT, but I'd like to try out the defensive line-up first, because as you mentioned, it makes the bench incredibly potent.

 

[upinsmoke]

If we end up drafting a top SF or even trading for a good veteran SF, my preference would be a Tyreke/TWill/new SF starting combination.

If Tyreke and TWill are able to come into this new year with even a little bit better shooting, then I think the defense and athleticism of that line-up would balance out the lack of shooting.

So with-out question, that is how I'd like to start the year. Now if we're 10 games in and the lack of shooting is killing the team, then I'd be fine switching TWill for IT/MT, but I'd like to try out the defensive line-up first, because as you mentioned, it makes the bench incredibly potent.

I have thought the same thing along with the idea of bringing in Lowry but if Evans improves it would make Lowry a moot point. Now if Somehow we can re-sign JT & T-Will then sign Batum then we have a winning formula thats why I have suggested using our pick as a salary dump for Salmons in many post's.

1. Evans / IT
2. T-Will / MT / Jimmer/ Garcia (expiring)
3. Batum / Outlaw / Honeycutt or another 2nd to pinch even more pennies
4. JT / Whiteside
5. Cuz / Hayes

 

[Glenn]

.... because as you mentioned, it makes the bench incredibly potent.

Those weren't my words.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Kyle O'Quinn workout. I'd be very happy with him in the second round, especially if we get a SF in the first. He showed some impressive passing in the workout. Also is very big, defends and blocks shots. Could be a good fit next to Cousins. Also high character - would not be surprised to see us take him in the second if he's there for us.

 

[Uncia03]

Kyle O'Quinn workout. I'd be very happy with him in the second round, especially if we get a SF in the first. He showed some impressive passing in the workout. Also is very big, defends and blocks shots. Could be a good fit next to Cousins. Also high character - would not be surprised to see us take him in the second if he's there for us.

I know that Bajaden really likes him as a 2nd round pick.

I didn't see him enough to be able to make any sort of prediction, but with the 2nd round you are just looking for someone who can make the rotation, and he'd probably be as good a choice as anyone else unless someone of great value really slips.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I won't be surprised if we trade down for Harkless even if MKG is available at 5. This kid got length is also a defensive stud. The James Posey/Ariza comparison the sort of player that could fill nicely to our roster.

Demarcus was there too, btw. DMC was also there during Henson's workout. Not sure if this is some sort of indicator of who the players Demarcus endorses and if he has a say to the decision of who we will draft.

 

[upinsmoke]

I won't be surprised if we trade down for Harkless even if MKG is available at 5. This kid got length is also a defensive stud. The James Posey/Ariza comparison the sort of player that could fill nicely to our roster.

This board would self implode and cease to exist if that happens!

 

[Dime Dropper]

Unfortunately, Cousins looks like he has put on quite a few lbs. Hope I'm wrong, but I thought the same thing when I seen him at the last workout but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looks the same here. Hope he trims down before the season starts and doesn't come into camp out of shape.

I still like Harkless, but it's clear whatever team takes him is going to have to wait a couple years before he can really contribute.

 

[hrdboild]

I won't be surprised if we trade down for Harkless even if MKG is available at 5. This kid got length is also a defensive stud. The James Posey/Ariza comparison the sort of player that could fill nicely to our roster.

Demarcus was there too, btw. DMC was also there during Henson's workout. Not sure if this is some sort of indicator of who the players Demarcus endorses and if he has a say to the decision of who we will draft.

I would love MKG on this team. His attitude alone would be a breath of fresh air and he does a little bit of everything on the court -- whatever it takes to win. And while I would be very upset if we passed on him for just about anyone else in this draft, if we traded down for Lowry and drafted Moe Harkless I would be apprehensive but optimistic even if MKG is still on the board. I'm a believer in Moe Harkless. What makes me nervous about that trade rumor though is that Lowry has to be included and we have to wait through 9 picks to see if Harkless is still on the board. If we pass on MKG for Henson or Zeller or Leonard I would not be happy, with or without Lowry included.

Course if we then signed Batum I would be happy again. Bottom line is, we need to cut the c*** and find our SF of the future and we need to do it now. There's too many great options out there right now for us to come up empty.

 

[Fear the Putin]

Unfortunately, Cousins looks like he has put on quite a few lbs. Hope I'm wrong, but I thought the same thing when I seen him at the last workout but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looks the same here. Hope he trims down before the season starts and doesn't come into camp out of shape.

I still like Harkless, but it's clear whatever team takes him is going to have to wait a couple years before he can really contribute.

wait what?

How did you come to that conclusion? He's got a loose shirt on and still looks slim in it.

 

[KingsCitizen]

This board would self implode and cease to exist if that happens!

I don't think so. This draft is so deep that even now draft boards can only single out Anthony Davis at a clear spot. I trust Petrie so much in finding gems (esp. if the Maloofs *cough *cough *Jimmer just let him do his thing). I can just sense that this draft is like Petrie's playground. If we flip our 5th pick for 2 mid picks, I know those are quality picks.

If we go home with Harkless, T. Jones and Lowry. I'm a happy camper, esp. we don't lose any of our core.

 

[rainmaker]

Unfortunately, Cousins looks like he has put on quite a few lbs. Hope I'm wrong, but I thought the same thing when I seen him at the last workout but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. Looks the same here. Hope he trims down before the season starts and doesn't come into camp out of shape.

I still like Harkless, but it's clear whatever team takes him is going to have to wait a couple years before he can really contribute.

To me he doesn't look any bigger. Actually look thin around the waste. Think it might be the shirt which makes him look a little softer.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I could easily be wrong. I just thought he looked a little bulky and soft, moreso than at the end of last year. It's no biggie unless he turns up to camp out of shape. Here are the angles I was referring to (still difficult to tell either way):



Probably nothing at all. And it's still great to see him coming in and taking an interest in the off-season.

 

[UK_King]

surely he wouldn't go to the team USA training camp out of shape, he came in a month early apparently to start working out for that very reason.

 

[Dime Dropper]

surely he wouldn't go to the team USA training camp out of shape, he came in a month early apparently to start working out for that very reason.

Probably right. No need to make an issue out of this, was just pointing out where I was coming from. It's more than likely a non-issue.

 

[Gilles]

Doron Lamb seems to have quite unimpressive set of workouts and in the latest mock DX put him at #36. He is also falling in ND.net mock. Did Kings worked him out because I can't recall his name among those who scheduled a workout? Probably too many guards on the roster.

 

[UK_King]

For anyone who's interested there's a rack of interviews up on youtube with the big prospects discussing sac.

http://www.youtube.com/user/kingsflix/videos