HereWeBoogie
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i totally agree with that, i was just saying im a fan of his. not necessarily saying i think he should go 7
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i totally agree with that, i was just saying im a fan of his. not necessarily saying i think he should go 7
Hallama
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Reading between the lines, sounds like they brought in Myck Kabongo to pressure CJ McCollum and see if he could handle it. Sounds like Malone was impressed with CJ's ball-handling. Also seems like he was beaming about CJ overall.
I noticed that too. Unless it's a smokescreen the Kings are being pretty transparent with their interest in McCollum and Muhammad. Unless someone slides on draft night I guess we'll see on Thursday.
Bosnian Diehard
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If it came down to McCollum or Muhammad, i'd honestly take CJ at the moment.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Yeah I don't agree with the Jimmer comparison at all. I never thought Jimmer was a PG anyway. Jimmer can't handle the ball well or handle pressure well and his defense is still at a high school level.. Mccollum has the handles to be a pg in the nba. He definatley can score from anywhere. His questions will come as a facilitator. he seems like a very very bright kid and the type of kid that will do what is asked of him. could work good next to Tyreke. He isn't lightning in a bottle like IT. IT would be what he is supposed to be a change of pace guy with high energy. I could see CJ on the kings. If you judge it soley by who will be available and who we need. Nobody else projected in that range impresses me much other than CJ. Unless you trade the pick. If CJ is available you take him no questions asked. After all I am not overly concerned with building through the draft anymore. We have our top 2.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
A KF head scratching moment is the one where a franchise repeatedly burned by this style player, and one already overloaded with offensive players who need the ball, is now deemed to be in need of a guy who's best offensive traits are his ability to shoot off his own dribble, and coming off of screens, both plays which burn up possessions and indicate a featured role.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I only brought up Jimmer in that we clearly drafted Jimmer with the Idea that he and Evans would be able to play together for the next 10 years. We moved Beno in the same deal! It couldn't have been more clear. Jimmer didn't hold up his end of the bargain for very specific reasons, and CJ covers a lot of that up.
Jimmer has a better track record as a shooter, but McCollum can be just as good if not better as a shooter in the NBA because he can do more than that. When shooting is your only tool you're easy to defend. McCollum has a better handle, better speed, and he's better at attacking the rim. And the most important part is that he can defend at a much higher level than Jimmer. He won't get targeted and attacked on every play. Offensive players eye's won't light up when they see McCollum across from them like they do with Jimmer.
Now, Ford reported tonight that the Kings are looking to move Jimmer for a 2nd late first round pick to get Snell or Hardaway. It's also easy to connect the dots that suggest moving Jimmer is a way to help unclog and already clogged guard group particularly when you are leaning towards CJ, which I think the Kings are.
I'd take Snell over Hardaway, personally. We suddenly go from a team with very suspect shooting to surrounding Evans and Cousins with two very good shooters in Snell and McCollum, and guys who should be able to hold their own on defense. That last piece is finding that guy to defend next to Cousins, and we'd still have plenty of assets to try and figure that out. Thomas, Thornton, Patteson, JT ... do whatever it takes to get that defender.
Jimmer has a better track record as a shooter, but McCollum can be just as good if not better as a shooter in the NBA because he can do more than that. When shooting is your only tool you're easy to defend. McCollum has a better handle, better speed, and he's better at attacking the rim. And the most important part is that he can defend at a much higher level than Jimmer. He won't get targeted and attacked on every play. Offensive players eye's won't light up when they see McCollum across from them like they do with Jimmer.
Now, Ford reported tonight that the Kings are looking to move Jimmer for a 2nd late first round pick to get Snell or Hardaway. It's also easy to connect the dots that suggest moving Jimmer is a way to help unclog and already clogged guard group particularly when you are leaning towards CJ, which I think the Kings are.
I'd take Snell over Hardaway, personally. We suddenly go from a team with very suspect shooting to surrounding Evans and Cousins with two very good shooters in Snell and McCollum, and guys who should be able to hold their own on defense. That last piece is finding that guy to defend next to Cousins, and we'd still have plenty of assets to try and figure that out. Thomas, Thornton, Patteson, JT ... do whatever it takes to get that defender.
jcwkings
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I wouldn't mind McCollum tbh. In todays NBA ALL the top pg's need to be able to score(Parker, Westbrook, Paul, Williams, Rose, Irving, Curry, Lawson, Lillard, Holiday, Conley Jr.). I can really only think of Rondo and Rubio as throwback pg's these days(Nash is too old to be considered). McCollum could also potentially be a very good defender, he reads passing lanes extremely well and has lenght at the pg position, as well as high bball IQ. I like Tyreke, but lets be honest, his basektball iq is average at best, he gets extreme tunnel vision when isolated and driving in. For me Tyreke will be best used as an Igoudala type, let him become an elite defender and feed him on the break, only isolate if absolutely necessary.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Sigh Sigh.
It is amazing. I will set aside the numbers here, and just flat out state that Tyreke had the BEST vision on the whole team when driving into the lane with his "tunnel vision". He was the only guy who went in there looking to use his drives to create shots for others. I will also just flat out state that when you are the second most efficient guard in the league (to Wade, who has superior verticality) at scoring in the paint, having tunnel vision is another way of saying you are really really good at scoring and kicking it out would be pointless.
Entity
Hall of Famer
to be honest there is not a player in this draft that we just really need. got some late 1st round guys that have potential to be the SF down the road. I just think Mccollum is bpa at the #7. Id be ok with trading the pick.
I doubt this team will be overloaded with offensive players for long. D'Alessandro & Malone have only really ever mentioned Tyreke and Cousins. Well Malone said he was familiar with Thornton from his time in NO. Of course he didn't mention that it was also the period where MT was benched (supposedly for not playing D) and then traded.
PDA has said on a few occasions that the Kings have talent but the pieces don't fit.
I think McCollum fits great next to Tyreke and spaces the floor for Cousins.
Everyone else is fungible.
I mean, I like IT as a change of pace PG and JT as the first big off the bench but really I'm on board with moving anyone other than Evans and DeMarcus if it improves the roster.
Kingster
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These are the little snippets that just have me shaking my head. I sure hope they have more to go on than Kabongo when it comes to McCollum's ability to handle pressure. The gushing by the coach in a scripted workout isn't what I want to hear. McCollum is going to be dealing with guys better than Kabongo in the NBA.
Big Cuz 15
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steven adams #7 pick 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDQ9a5w6To&feature=c4-overview&list=UUSgFigczGdNMilV1K23JgUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDQ9a5w6To&feature=c4-overview&list=UUSgFigczGdNMilV1K23JgUQ
upinsmoke
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I wonder what the new management thinks of both JT and Patrick Patterson. Based off what I seen last year Patterson can more than give JT a run for his money, which leads me to my next question. What can a JT/1st rounder package net us?
Entity
Hall of Famer
ppat is a below averge defender and rebounder. JT is at least average at both.
At PF I agree (better offensively and a nice hoops IQ, worse rebounder & defender) but JT's value is enhanced by his ability to play PF and C making him a very solid 3rd big on a very reasonable contract. Patterson on the other hand is in a contract year which complicates the decision.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
"A slightly above average finisher and foul drawer, if McCollum has a true weakness on paper in this limited sample of games, it is that his profile reinforces that the role he filled was more aligned with playing off the ball than those of his peers. He did less creating for his teammates on the pick and roll than any player other than Lorenzo Brown at 2.6 pass outs to possessions per-game, well below the average of 6.1, and used screens without the ball to get open for 12% of his possessions, almost double the next closest player in this group.
Doing what he needed to as a scorer to lead Lehigh to wins, McCollum has acknowledged in interviews that he's prepared to make whatever adjustments he's asked to make as a lead guard at the next level to fit in stylistically."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2XFIEzME1
http://www.draftexpress.com
And this from SI:
"C.J. McCollum, 6-3 guard, Lehigh: "Love the kid. Has intelligence and a little bit of toughness. He's not a true point guard, but he can play a little combo. He gets his own shot a lot for someone who doesn't look like he's blowing by people. His foot injury is no concern."
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...30624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/#ixzz2XFZHg3u3
Doing what he needed to as a scorer to lead Lehigh to wins, McCollum has acknowledged in interviews that he's prepared to make whatever adjustments he's asked to make as a lead guard at the next level to fit in stylistically."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2XFIEzME1
http://www.draftexpress.com
And this from SI:
"C.J. McCollum, 6-3 guard, Lehigh: "Love the kid. Has intelligence and a little bit of toughness. He's not a true point guard, but he can play a little combo. He gets his own shot a lot for someone who doesn't look like he's blowing by people. His foot injury is no concern."
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...30624/2013-nba-draft-prospects/#ixzz2XFZHg3u3
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Kabongo is a flawed prospect but he's a big PG and one of the fastest players in the draft. Very few better options to put against McCollum in a pre-draft workout.
roasthawg
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That's why we drafted Tyreke... his dominance of the other college guards in workouts.
upinsmoke
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Right. However how much Aldrich can be signed for mixed in with Patterson's upside (my opinion) a case can be made that JT/pick is our best trade asset without giving up to much.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Look, if it's a few days before the draft and you don't know if McCollum can handle pressure D, then you've done a pee-poor job of scouting during the season. Same with an evaluation of his pg-like skills. You should have seen every game of his during the season and whatever else he's done during the off-season in playing with major talent. At this point there should be no surprises whatsoever.
So why workout players in person at all?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Because everybody else does.
And because you can interview them in a face to face. If you're basing your talent evaluation on a workout, you're in a world of trouble.
I'd argue that another reason is to see aspects of a players game that their isn't enough film on such as the jumpshot of a post player or in this case McCollum's ability to be the primary ballhandler and offense initiator against NBA level pressure.
I also think they run some "secret" drills to get further information. Seems like we are getting the same light routines from everywhere across the League, but players always talk about tough workouts.
Telemachus
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You do realize that while McCollum played PG in HS and AAU, that he played SG in college (they already had a senior PG)? Not to mention, that I have heard more than one GM mention how there are some things you can see in a workout that you can't see watching game tapes.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
This particular team is/was in a tough spot because of the huge overhaul from top to bottom. Most of the current folks weren't really scouting as heavily as they normally would have been. Malone didn't figure to be a head coach this season. Same goes for Pete, although I suspect he had already done a lot of research. Think of it as an experiment. You gather the data, come up with a hypothesis, and then you go and test that hypothesis. If the hypothesis was that McCollum is the King's guy, it makes perfect sense to put him to the test several times, which is the same as having several trials in an experiment.
