Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

[twslam07]

With LaVine here now, an interesting target for us would be Jrue Holiday (as BOS would likely be open to moving him due to the massive tax bill coming their way).

Yes, he’s only a year younger than DeRozan, but stylistically, he’s an excellent fit on paper next to LaVine…

• He’s an excellent defender who can take the more difficult matchup at PG or SG (letting LaVine take the lesser offensive player)
• He can space the floor for LaVine and Sabonis when they are in the paint
• He can be another go-to scoring option to help shoulder the load
• He gives us a “real” PG who can run the offense

Looking at salaries, it looks like we could potentially send out both DeRozan and Monk, and take in Jrue Holiday and Cam Johnson. If we resign LaRavia and Lyles, that gives us the following rotation going into next season…

PG - Holiday / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis
SF - Johnson / LaRavia
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

Although that team doesn’t have a superstar talent, it does seem like an incredibly well balanced team that could compete on both ends of the floor.

 

[iowamcnabb]

With LaVine here now, an interesting target for us would be Jrue Holiday (as BOS would likely be open to moving him due to the massive tax bill coming their way).

Yes, he’s only a year younger than DeRozan, but stylistically, he’s an excellent fit on paper next to LaVine…

• He’s an excellent defender who can take the more difficult matchup at PG or SG (letting LaVine take the lesser offensive player)
• He can space the floor for LaVine and Sabonis when they are in the paint
• He can be another go-to scoring option to help shoulder the load
• He gives us a “real” PG who can run the offense

Looking at salaries, it looks like we could potentially send out both DeRozan and Monk, and take in Jrue Holiday and Cam Johnson. If we resign LaRavia and Lyles, that gives us the following rotation going into next season…

PG - Holiday / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis
SF - Johnson / LaRavia
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

Although that team doesn’t have a superstar talent, it does seem like an incredibly well balanced team that could compete on both ends of the floor.

do you think there is enough go to scoring in that lineup? Lavine is a go to scorer but probably best as a second option. That’s the issue with replacing Deebo, he is a number one scorer imo. I do like the idea of a Cam/Keegan/Lavine trio on the wing. That trio could be the best shooting group in the league. I’m really hoping we can see Devin emerge as a candidate for that lead guard spot. Having that type of athleticism, defense and all around tenacity would be awesome. Long way to go for him though.

 

[serbiangoat]

With LaVine here now, an interesting target for us would be Jrue Holiday (as BOS would likely be open to moving him due to the massive tax bill coming their way).

Yes, he’s only a year younger than DeRozan, but stylistically, he’s an excellent fit on paper next to LaVine…

• He’s an excellent defender who can take the more difficult matchup at PG or SG (letting LaVine take the lesser offensive player)
• He can space the floor for LaVine and Sabonis when they are in the paint
• He can be another go-to scoring option to help shoulder the load
• He gives us a “real” PG who can run the offense

Looking at salaries, it looks like we could potentially send out both DeRozan and Monk, and take in Jrue Holiday and Cam Johnson. If we resign LaRavia and Lyles, that gives us the following rotation going into next season…

PG - Holiday / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis
SF - Johnson / LaRavia
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

Although that team doesn’t have a superstar talent, it does seem like an incredibly well balanced team that could compete on both ends of the floor.

I would prefer Brogdan but I like the idea of that type of PG

 

[twslam07]

do you think there is enough go to scoring in that lineup? Lavine is a go to scorer but probably best as a second option. That’s the issue with replacing Deebo, he is a number one scorer imo. I do like the idea of a Cam/Keegan/Lavine trio on the wing. That trio could be the best shooting group in the league. I’m really hoping we can see Devin emerge as a candidate for that lead guard spot. Having that type of athleticism, defense and all around tenacity would be awesome. Long way to go for him though.

I mean I’d say we don’t have the top end, go-to scorer talent today to lift our ceiling as a team to be a contender. And this trade doesn’t resolve that.

What this trade does do is balance our roster and hopefully maximize the talent we do have to hopefully become a consistent playoff threat. What we lack in a true #1, we might makeup for in shooting (Holiday, LaVine, Ellis, Johnson, LaRavia, Murray, Lyles, & Sabonis) and defense (Holiday, Carter, Ellis, Johnson, LaRavia, & Murray), but I’d be kidding myself if I thought this was a contending team.

 

[twslam07]

I mean I’d say we don’t have the top end, go-to scorer talent today to lift our ceiling as a team to be a contender. And this trade doesn’t resolve that.

What this trade does do is balance our roster and hopefully maximize the talent we do have to hopefully become a consistent playoff threat. What we lack in a true #1, we might makeup for in shooting (Holiday, LaVine, Ellis, Johnson, LaRavia, Murray, Lyles, & Sabonis) and defense (Holiday, Carter, Ellis, Johnson, LaRavia, & Murray), but I’d be kidding myself if I thought this was a contending team.

Expanding on this…if we did want to give ourselves a shot at a title (albeit a short run at a title), we could do two trades that would result in this general framework…

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Devin Carter
Pick(s)

for

Kevin Durant
Jrue Holiday

As I mentioned earlier, BOS is going to have a historic tax bill. DeRozan shaves off a fair amount of salary each year while also expiring 1 year before Holiday’s deal. As for PHX, they’re currently sitting outside of the play in with Durant, Booker, Beal, and being above the 2nd apron. I think it would be wise for them to sell off Durant for assets and look to rebuild around Booker.

For us, this trade leaves us with…

PG - Holiday / Monk
SG - Ellis
SF - Murray / LaRavia (resigned)
PF - Durant / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

There’s a ton to like about that roster…

1. We’d have a player who can be a legit #1 option on a contender (Durant) with plenty of other guys who can help contribute as secondary go-to scorers like Holiday, Monk, Murray (if he keeps developing), and Sabonis.
2. We’d have excellent shooting with everyone in the starting lineup being able to knock down the 3 ball. Not to mention Monk, LaRavia, and Lyles give us solid shooting off the bench
3. We’d have great playmaking and passing. Holiday gives us an actual PG who can run the offense while we still have Sabonis as an excellent big man facilitator who can be a connector. Durant is also an underrated passer as well. And on top of all that, we’d still have Monk off the bench to contribute in this department.
4. Our rebounding would be outstanding. A frontcourt of Sabonis, Durant, and Murray will clear the glass routinely. Then you have Valanciunas, Lyles, and LaRavia off the bench who are all solid rebounders for their positions.
5. The bench in general would be very good. Monk would return to his ideal 6th man role and then you’d have LaRavia, Lyles, and Valanciunas to round out your 9 man rotation. That’s a very solid group.
6. The size & length would be terrific. Sabonis has below average length at C, but essentially everyone else in the lineup has above average size/length for their position. And mostly importantly, our starting SF (Murray) and PF (Durant) have excellent size & length for their positions to help out Sabonis.
7. The defense would be very strong as well. Defensively, starting Holiday, Ellis, Murray, and Durant next to Sabonis is basically as good as it gets. Holiday, Ellis, and Murray would be excellent at stopping dribble penetration (helping out Sabonis from needing to constantly help, challenge shots at the rim, and get into foul trouble), and Durant and Murray would help with rim protection when teams do get by our initial defensive line.

The major downside really comes down to Durant and Holiday’s age (and Durant being an expiring after next year) but at least I could see this team making a couple deep playoff runs (with an outside shot at a title) then committing to a rebuild after these guys age out/retire. Vs. continuing to have the pleasure of being a treadmill team year after year after year…

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Expanding on this…if we did want to give ourselves a shot at a title (albeit a short run at a title), we could do two trades that would result in this general framework…

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Devin Carter
Pick(s)

for

Kevin Durant
Jrue Holiday

As I mentioned earlier, BOS is going to have a historic tax bill. DeRozan shaves off a fair amount of salary each year while also expiring 1 year before Holiday’s deal. As for PHX, they’re currently sitting outside of the play in with Durant, Booker, Beal, and being above the 2nd apron. I think it would be wise for them to sell off Durant for assets and look to rebuild around Booker.

For us, this trade leaves us with…

PG - Holiday / Monk
SG - Ellis
SF - Murray / LaRavia (resigned)
PF - Durant / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

There’s a ton to like about that roster…

1. We’d have a player who can be a legit #1 option on a contender (Durant) with plenty of other guys who can help contribute as secondary go-to scorers like Holiday, Monk, Murray (if he keeps developing), and Sabonis.
2. We’d have excellent shooting with everyone in the starting lineup being able to knock down the 3 ball. Not to mention Monk, LaRavia, and Lyles give us solid shooting off the bench
3. We’d have great playmaking and passing. Holiday gives us an actual PG who can run the offense while we still have Sabonis as an excellent big man facilitator who can be a connector. Durant is also an underrated passer as well. And on top of all that, we’d still have Monk off the bench to contribute in this department.
4. Our rebounding would be outstanding. A frontcourt of Sabonis, Durant, and Murray will clear the glass routinely. Then you have Valanciunas, Lyles, and LaRavia off the bench who are all solid rebounders for their positions.
5. The bench in general would be very good. Monk would return to his ideal 6th man role and then you’d have LaRavia, Lyles, and Valanciunas to round out your 9 man rotation. That’s a very solid group.
6. The size & length would be terrific. Sabonis has below average length at C, but essentially everyone else in the lineup has above average size/length for their position. And mostly importantly, our starting SF (Murray) and PF (Durant) have excellent size & length for their positions to help out Sabonis.
7. The defense would be very strong as well. Defensively, starting Holiday, Ellis, Murray, and Durant next to Sabonis is basically as good as it gets. Holiday, Ellis, and Murray would be excellent at stopping dribble penetration (helping out Sabonis from needing to constantly help, challenge shots at the rim, and get into foul trouble), and Durant and Murray would help with rim protection when teams do get by our initial defensive line.

The major downside really comes down to Durant and Holiday’s age (and Durant being an expiring after next year) but at least I could see this team making a couple deep playoff runs (with an outside shot at a title) then committing to a rebuild after these guys age out/retire. Vs. continuing to have the pleasure of being a treadmill team year after year after year…

Nobody is trading for Lavine a contract and KD isn’t agreeing to coke here

 

[twslam07]

Nobody is trading for Lavine a contract and KD isn’t agreeing to coke here

Lavine will only have 2 years left on his deal this offseason. We need to stop acting like we’re dealing with a Bradley Beal level contract. Since coming here, he is averaging 23/4/4 with a 66% TS%. He’s not impossible to move.

LaVine, Carter, and 1sts for an expiring Durant seems like a competitive offer to say the least. Both Beal and LaVine expire the same offseason too which gives the Suns a chance to really reset around Booker in a couple years while picking up some long term assets to help their rebuild.

Durant doesn’t have a NTC so it really comes down to what the Suns want to do with Durant, and considering Durant only has 1 year left on his deal, he has the flexibility to leave SAC if things don’t work out that first year.

 

[AaronPDX]

Expanding on this…if we did want to give ourselves a shot at a title (albeit a short run at a title), we could do two trades that would result in this general framework…

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Devin Carter
Pick(s)

for

Kevin Durant
Jrue Holiday

As I mentioned earlier, BOS is going to have a historic tax bill. DeRozan shaves off a fair amount of salary each year while also expiring 1 year before Holiday’s deal. As for PHX, they’re currently sitting outside of the play in with Durant, Booker, Beal, and being above the 2nd apron. I think it would be wise for them to sell off Durant for assets and look to rebuild around Booker.

For us, this trade leaves us with…

PG - Holiday / Monk
SG - Ellis
SF - Murray / LaRavia (resigned)
PF - Durant / Lyles (resigned)
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

There’s a ton to like about that roster…

1. We’d have a player who can be a legit #1 option on a contender (Durant) with plenty of other guys who can help contribute as secondary go-to scorers like Holiday, Monk, Murray (if he keeps developing), and Sabonis.
2. We’d have excellent shooting with everyone in the starting lineup being able to knock down the 3 ball. Not to mention Monk, LaRavia, and Lyles give us solid shooting off the bench
3. We’d have great playmaking and passing. Holiday gives us an actual PG who can run the offense while we still have Sabonis as an excellent big man facilitator who can be a connector. Durant is also an underrated passer as well. And on top of all that, we’d still have Monk off the bench to contribute in this department.
4. Our rebounding would be outstanding. A frontcourt of Sabonis, Durant, and Murray will clear the glass routinely. Then you have Valanciunas, Lyles, and LaRavia off the bench who are all solid rebounders for their positions.
5. The bench in general would be very good. Monk would return to his ideal 6th man role and then you’d have LaRavia, Lyles, and Valanciunas to round out your 9 man rotation. That’s a very solid group.
6. The size & length would be terrific. Sabonis has below average length at C, but essentially everyone else in the lineup has above average size/length for their position. And mostly importantly, our starting SF (Murray) and PF (Durant) have excellent size & length for their positions to help out Sabonis.
7. The defense would be very strong as well. Defensively, starting Holiday, Ellis, Murray, and Durant next to Sabonis is basically as good as it gets. Holiday, Ellis, and Murray would be excellent at stopping dribble penetration (helping out Sabonis from needing to constantly help, challenge shots at the rim, and get into foul trouble), and Durant and Murray would help with rim protection when teams do get by our initial defensive line.

The major downside really comes down to Durant and Holiday’s age (and Durant being an expiring after next year) but at least I could see this team making a couple deep playoff runs (with an outside shot at a title) then committing to a rebuild after these guys age out/retire. Vs. continuing to have the pleasure of being a treadmill team year after year after year…

This seems a SUREFIRE way to get a GM fired...LOL

 

[twslam07]

This seems a SUREFIRE way to get a GM fired...LOL

Why?

 

[AaronPDX]

Why?

Dumping all future hope (young player/draft picks) for an oft-injured and even older Durant leaves you worse off than the Suns' current predicament of empty cupboards, and bringing Durant to Sac still would not win a championship, IMO.

 

[twslam07]

Dumping all future hope (young player/draft picks) for an oft-injured and even older Durant leaves you worse off than the Suns' current predicament of empty cupboards, and bringing Durant to Sac still would not win a championship, IMO.

All future hope? Who said anything about emptying the cupboards for Durant? You seem to be projecting.

Durant would easily be our best player and gives you that tier of player to give you a shot at a title assuming the rest of the roster fits the bill. And you can’t deny that the roster assembled is incredibly well balanced with very little weaknesses. I’ve always wanted to see Sabonis next to a true #1 while also being surrounded by shooting, defense, and length. This roster does just that.

 

[AaronPDX]

All future hope? Who said anything about emptying the cupboards for Durant? You seem to be projecting.

Durant would easily be our best player and gives you that tier of player to give you a shot at a title assuming the rest of the roster fits the bill. And you can’t deny that the roster assembled is incredibly well balanced with very little weaknesses. I’ve always wanted to see Sabonis next to a true #1 while also being surrounded by shooting, defense, and length. This roster does just that.

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Devin Carter
Pick(s)

I personally wouldn't give that up for old Durant. I'm sure the "pick(s)" part could mean a lot, but the Suns are expecting firsts, and multiple, I'm sure.

Anyone else agree or am I way off here? I think that's nuts.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Lavine will only have 2 years left on his deal this offseason. We need to stop acting like we’re dealing with a Bradley Beal level contract. Since coming here, he is averaging 23/4/4 with a 66% TS%. He’s not impossible to move.

LaVine, Carter, and 1sts for an expiring Durant seems like a competitive offer to say the least. Both Beal and LaVine expire the same offseason too which gives the Suns a chance to really reset around Booker in a couple years while picking up some long term assets to help their rebuild.

Durant doesn’t have a NTC so it really comes down to what the Suns want to do with Durant, and considering Durant only has 1 year left on his deal, he has the flexibility to leave SAC if things don’t work out that first year.

You don’t need a NTC in the nba to have one fox didn’t have one and went where he wanted, GSW wanted KD and didn’t trade for him when he said no. He’s gonna go where he wants and sacred to won’t even come close to that list. He’d be great here but that’s fantasy land talk he’s also a free agent after next season so he’ll have more NTC power then he did at the deadline and Fox had

 

[twslam07]

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan
Devin Carter
Pick(s)

I personally wouldn't give that up for old Durant. I'm sure the "pick(s)" part could mean a lot, but the Suns are expecting firsts, and multiple, I'm sure.

Anyone else agree or am I way off here? I think that's nuts.

Yeah, I think you’re way off here.

For someone who is concerned about “emptying the cupboards” or “dumping all future hope” you sure seem to be concerned with giving up 30 year old LaVine and 35 year old DeRozan (will be 36 before the start of next season). We’re definitely not selling the farm here. We’re trading our old vets for better, more complementary old vets while surrendering some young assets/picks to make that upgrade.

Look I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again…my first choice would be to rebuild, but I find that highly unrealistic considering who our owner is so it comes down to would you rather 1) take a stab at elevating the team with the expectation that you’ll rebuild in a few year’s time or 2) continue to be a treadmill team and be a consistent play-in threat for the foreseeable future. Personally, I’d prefer #1 but perhaps there are fans out there that would prefer #2?

 

[twslam07]

You don’t need a NTC in the nba to have one fox didn’t have one and went where he wanted, GSW wanted KD and didn’t trade for him when he said no. He’s gonna go where he wants and sacred to won’t even come close to that list. He’d be great here but that’s fantasy land talk he’s also a free agent after next season so he’ll have more NTC power then he did at the deadline and Fox had

Eh it comes down to what a team is willing to give up for him and what PHX is willing to accept for him. Durant technically has no say on where he goes. If the Kings are willing to put a solid deal on the table that PHX likes, why wouldn’t it be accepted?

Unfortunately for us, it doesn’t seem like any other team was willing to take that risk for Fox so we were left trading with Fox’s preferred destination (SAS). However, unlike Fox, Durant is a top tier player and it might make more sense to take that type of risk for a player like that.

It likely boils down to the risk/reward factor on the Kings side. Are the Kings okay trading for Durant knowing he very well could walk the next year? Perhaps considering he gives us a legitimate #1 scorer (27 PPG on 64% TS%) and is that unicorn/near perfect fit at PF next to Sabonis (excellent size/length/athleticism, great shooter, good defender, can help with rim protection). He kills two very important birds with one stone. There’s not many players in this league that you can say that about.

 

[AaronPDX]

Yeah, I think you’re way off here.

For someone who is concerned about “emptying the cupboards” or “dumping all future hope” you sure seem to be concerned with giving up 30 year old LaVine and 35 year old DeRozan (will be 36 before the start of next season). We’re definitely not selling the farm here. We’re trading our old vets for better, more complementary old vets while surrendering some young assets/picks to make that upgrade.

Look I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again…my first choice would be to rebuild, but I find that highly unrealistic considering who our owner is so it comes down to would you rather 1) take a stab at elevating the team with the expectation that you’ll rebuild in a few year’s time or 2) continue to be a treadmill team and be a consistent play-in threat for the foreseeable future. Personally, I’d prefer #1 but perhaps there are fans out there that would prefer #2?

We'll agree to disagree, and not to mention, there's not a prayer Durant would EVER agree to come to Sac, so it's a moot point anyway.

 

[twslam07]

We'll agree to disagree, and not to mention, there's not a prayer Durant would EVER agree to come to Sac, so it's a moot point anyway.

I guess luckily for us he technically has no say in where he gets traded to. It’ll come down to if our offer is better, more attractive than everyone else’s and if the Kings are willing to trade for him knowing he could very well walk next year.

Considering the roster that would be around Durant in this trade idea and how well balanced and complementary it is, I could see us having success next year which gives us a good shot at resigning Durant.

 

[iowamcnabb]

We are obviously going to try and make some trades this summer. My best guess is we move Deebo due to the contract but I went a different route with this one:

Orlando receives Zach Lavine
Kings receive Isaac and KCP

why for Orlando? They desperately need shooting and scoring. A starting lineup of Suggs, Lavine, Wagner, Banchero and whoever at center is a deep playoff team.

why for the Kings? Defense ratings in the 20s has to be a thing of the past. Let’s change it up. Imo, I’d be crossing my fingers and hoping Devin can win the starting point guard spot next year next to Keon, Deebo, Keegan and Sabonis. A bench of Monk, KCP, Laravia, Isaac and Val would be the best defensive unit in the league.

This trade doesn’t have a ton of moving parts so it’s realistic to execute. It doesn’t cost any draft capital. If the team sucks by the deadline you can trade Sabonis, KCP, Deebo and Isaac to contenders and start over with a bunch of future assets. If it does work you still have plenty of ammo to upgrade and add.

 

[Jdbraver137]

Can’t even get the Lins.