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An "air brushed" John Collins
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An "air brushed" John Collins
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Was wondering where the tats were
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Patrick Williams can be traded now
chief bromden
Starter
Charlotte just traded Nick Richards and 1 2nd rounder to the Suns for Okogie and 3 2nd rounders
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I guess we will get to see if he is a good player on a bad team or just a bad player. Probably worth it to the Suns to find out
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Wouldn't mind seeing Monte land Okogie if he gets waived or something.
twslam07
All-Star
So I was playing around with Spotrac’s trade machine, and it seems I might have found a way to trade for John Collins without giving up Trey Lyles (I don’t really understand how the trade is legal though so I’m cautiously optimistic). Below is the framework of the trade…
John Collins
Patty Mills
for
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
The Jazz would have to cut two players on their roster to make it work but I think they have two good options: Drew Eubanks and Svi Mykhailiuk. Both are 27 years old, don’t have major roles with the team, and have unguaranteed deals next season (meaning if they are waived this season, they don’t owe them anything next year).
That would allow us to have a really solid 9 man rotation of Fox, Monk, Ellis, Carter, DeRozan, Murray, Lyles, Collins, & Sabonis, and leave our depth chart as…
PG - Fox / Monk / Mills
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - DeRozan / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Len
I still don’t think attaching our 2029 2nd to that package is enticing enough for UTA to accept. We’ll probably have to work with ATL to free up our other 2nds by lessening the protection on our 1st round pick due to them. That would allow us to attach our 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, and 2029 SAC 2nd to that package which I think has a good chance at being accepted by UTA.
John Collins
Patty Mills
for
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Jordan McLaughlin
Doug McDermott
The Jazz would have to cut two players on their roster to make it work but I think they have two good options: Drew Eubanks and Svi Mykhailiuk. Both are 27 years old, don’t have major roles with the team, and have unguaranteed deals next season (meaning if they are waived this season, they don’t owe them anything next year).
That would allow us to have a really solid 9 man rotation of Fox, Monk, Ellis, Carter, DeRozan, Murray, Lyles, Collins, & Sabonis, and leave our depth chart as…
PG - Fox / Monk / Mills
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - DeRozan / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Len
I still don’t think attaching our 2029 2nd to that package is enticing enough for UTA to accept. We’ll probably have to work with ATL to free up our other 2nds by lessening the protection on our 1st round pick due to them. That would allow us to attach our 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, and 2029 SAC 2nd to that package which I think has a good chance at being accepted by UTA.
Caccia
Starter
Scratch that. Too late once again.
Joshyjosh31
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Ya that one second wouldn’t be enough and I think we have to add more to entice Utah to add players they’d have to cut. I’m sure Atlanta would love to get our first this year so there’s that. This trade also keeps plus out of the luxury and first apron I believe.
If we can pull it off it would be an amazing deal for us Collins/Lyles frontcourt is very good if monk somehow went back to the bench (not counting on it) we’d have one of the best benches in the league
Too late?? You have intel that Charlotte wanted that deal and we didn't act timely? Otherwise, they probably preferred the picks from Phoenix to Huerter.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Kel’le Ware is about to play himself out of a potential Fox deal what a shame
coolhandluke
Starter
Collins is the better fit among players discussed in trades. Unfortunately, dealing with Ainge is often a waste of time due to his greedy demands.
Also, Collins is effectively an expiring contract as he has a player option for next year that he will opt out of in favour of a longer deal. It may become a few months rental if we have cannot afford to pony up the cash.
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ShastaKingsFan
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He'd be a really good fit for this team though. A really good shooting stretch 4 that can compete on the inside and can also play small 5.
I don't see any way around giving up value and paying a lot for the piece they need
twslam07
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I’m not convinced at all that he’ll opt out. Especially under the current CBA. To put it in perspective, he’ll be making more money than DeRozan next year if he opts in. If he does opt out, my guess would be that he’s looking at a $8-15 mil/year deal for 3-4 years. I think he’s better off opting in and taking the big payday for a year and trying to sign a smaller, multi year deal the following offseason.
Although trading Huerter & Lyles for Collins may keep us under the tax, I’d prefer the trade I mentioned above as it allows us to keep Lyles but still keeps us under the 1st apron.
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Jordan Mclaughlin
Doug McDermott
for
John Collins
Patty Mills
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Since we only have one second rounder isn’t it gonna take a first to get Collins? I would still do it if we are keeping Lyle’s
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If that's all it took, why not. But, no more.
Makaveli
Bench
He would come off the bench for all of the backup PF/C minutes and maybe get extra time as the PF with Keegan at the 3. Actually have a biggish lineup from time to time. He could easily get 24-30 min a game
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I’m not worried about it and I’d send him to Miami for Ware and Herro over Houston’s package. Ware is gonna be an absolute monster LA last night couldn’t score in the paint when he was in and we couldn’t either when we played them. Herro would give us that 20ppg scooter with elite shooting and good passing and defense.
I don’t til think he’d start he would still get 30mpg getting most of the front court bench minutes
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Who are you benching for any good wing/forward that they acquire in trade?
The idea would probably be to earn a starting spot on your new team, for just about any player they get
Well yeah, that's sort of the point. Everyone wants this magical wing who's going to fix all our problems, but who available is actually better than Keegan or DeRozan?
In a perfect world without ego's, I'd go:
Fox
Keon
Keegan
DDR
Domas
With
Carter
Monk
Collins
Collins runs all your small-ball 5 and a bunch of time next to Domas too. Basically the super Lyles role.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Looks good to me. So then Collins is not too good to come off the bench? Monk wasn't too good to come off the bench and still should be, for better balance.
Let Collins compete for a starting spot for next season. Maybe they decide to make DeRozan a 6th man later on
I don’t like it when most the rumours I read are just FVV, Sheppard and picks for Fox,
I wouldn’t mind Sheppard at all but Fred, what the hell would we want another over paid guard for when what we need is some of their young wing players.
He is too good. I said in a world without ego's lol.
twslam07
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ATL GETS: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
ATL GIVES: Agrees that SAC no longer owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 SAC 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
WHY FOR ATL? When the Kings traded for Huerter, they gave ATL a protected 1st round pick. It has not conveyed yet and is top 12 protected in 2025 and top 10 protected in 2026. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2026, ATL gets SAC’s 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks as a consolation prize. With the Kings flirting with kissing the play-in/playoffs, it’s possible that ATL could not end up with one of SAC’s 1sts (2025 or 2026). By changing the protection on the 2026 1st from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, it makes it a very high likelihood that ATL will receive a 1st from SAC. In order to improve their odds of having that 1st convey, ATL agrees to forgo their consolation prize of the 2026 & 2027 SAC 2nds.
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UTA GETS: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Jordan McLaughlin, Doug McDermott, 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, & 2029 SAC 2nd
UTA GIVES: John Collins & Patty Mills
WHY FOR UTA? The Jazz cash in on Collins for 3 2nd round picks, Colby Jones, and a potential reclamation project in Huerter. This also opens up plenty of minutes for their young bigs (Hendricks, Filipowski, & Kessler) to continue to to develop. This trade forces UTA to cut 2 players from their roster but Eubanks and Mykahiliuk seem like great candidates considering they are both 27 (not really part of the rebuild), aren’t key contributors in the rotation today, and have unguaranteed contracts next year (meaning if they are cut, they won’t owe them any money next year).
PG - Sexton / Collier / McLaughlin
SG - George / Clarkson / Juzang / Jones
SF - Williams / Huerter / Sensabaugh
PF - Markkanen / Hendricks / McDermott
C - Kessler / Filipowski
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SAC Gets: John Collins, Patty Mills, & the removal of the stipulation that SAC owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Jordan McLaughlin, Doug McDermott, Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, & 2029 SAC 2nd
Why for SAC? With Devin Carter back healthy, the Kings clear out their guard log jam by moving Huerter for some frontcourt. Collins gives the Kings some much needed size who can give them a bit of everything (scoring, shooting, rebounding, shot blocking, lob threat). This gives the Kings a very solid & balanced 9 man rotation of Fox, Monk, Ellis, Carter, DeRozan, Murray, Lyles, Collins, & Sabonis.
PG - Fox / Monk / Mills
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - DeRozan / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Len
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Taking it a step further, I’d probably distribute the minutes to be something like…
PG - Fox (34) / Monk (14)
SG - Ellis (26) / Monk (14) / Carter (8)
SF - DeRozan (30) / Murray (10) / Carter (8)
PF - Murray (20) / Lyles (16) / Collins (12)
C - Sabonis (34) / Collins (14)
Fox = 34 min
Sabonis = 34 min
DeRozan = 30 min
Murray = 30 min
Monk = 28 min
Ellis = 26 min
Collins = 26 min
Carter = 16 min
Lyles = 16 min
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I go back and forth on Collins. He likely opts in but I don’t think it’s out of the question for a team to come in and offer say 3 for 60. If he gets a starting job is that enough for him to opt out? Dunno. Fans want wings/size but Collins is considered an average defender and not a rim protector. I’m not even sure he is better defensively than Lyles, he does have more perimeter defensive ability and is obviously a much better offensive player. If you are giving up a first you probably need to get seconds back and if it’s protected pick you now have your future tied up for a bunch of years. Like if it’s a ‘27 first you basically would not have a first to trade moving forward.
whitechocolate
Bench
The only reason to trade Fox is if you expect to be awful next year, and you fear he'll leave. He's loyal and just has the same thoughts anyone would have. And that's not what we're doing. We have an excellent four man backcourt, and a great starting frontcourt. We should be all in on filling out our frontcourt depth, to see the potential of what has been building come to fruition. Trade for Collins. Find a second frontcourt player, if not by the deadline, in the off season; and we are fully built. In the long run, I trust this team's talent.
This deal doesn't get it done without Smith, Whitmore or Eason. The latter is supposedly "off the table" so that should allow one of the others to come back.
And if Houston doesn't like it, they can pound rocks.
CarlosBob
G-League
If McNair can't reach an agreement with the Hawks to reduce the protection of the '25 pick and we only can offer to the Jazz a future 1st pick we should give Utah the pick we may have to swap with the Spurs in 2031. With Wemby in his prime the Spurs might be a contender by then. And if the Hawks pick convey this year we still can trade '27 and '29 picks for another improvement move if the '31 is traded now.
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