Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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That is true. Did this move have to happen first though? I mean, there's probably going to be some waiving going on but regardless I don't think the Kings are at the roster limit size and I'm not sure a min. contract would cause any issues cap wise. The question now is about that MLE and the true space Monte has if useable in trade. Sure is close to someone like PJ Tuckers contract I'd bet.
Here is a bit more info, the main takeaway is we are 5.8 mil below the luxury tax
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article293963619.html
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article293963619.html
McDaniels was making $4.74M, so clearing that cap space gives us a bit of breathing room with regards to the apron, etc. that we didn't have before. If we cut McDaniels as part of a trade, we'd still be responsible for his salary. We're trading for somebody. And I'd suspect it's for somebody making more than about $5M.
For instance: Cam Johnson makes $23.625M this year. We can "salary match" that with Kevin Huerter ($16.83M) and Colby Jones ($2.12M), for a total of $18.95M. That of course, adds $4.675M to our salary. We are hard-capped at the first apron due to the DDR S&T. Prior to dumping McDaniels, we had about $200K in first apron space. Now, we have $4.9M...juuuust enough to squeeze a trade like that in.
Obviously, we'd have to throw in at least one first to make that happen.
Obviously, we'd have to throw in at least one first to make that happen.
I would have assumed his salary was used in trade. If anything, McDaniels would be a benefit via trade since the Kings still have to match salary right? This actually isn't beneficial trade wise since that's one less expiring money to toss in. I mean, if there wasn't a specific reason of course. We'll know soon.
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That's how the numbers are shaking out at Spotrac. They appear to be including cap holds for the two empty roster spots, which could possibly account for the difference. Also, that would suggest that we had about $2M more in space prior to the trade than I wrote above - because one of those cap holds would have been added to fill out the 14th roster spot after McDaniels was traded for nobody. So presumably we gained $2.7M of flexibility, not $4.7M.
It depends on how much the other team in the trade wants to take on salary. The Nets are pushing the apron themselves, so they might be unwilling to add salary.
Another note - it does look like adding Colby to that proposed trade isn't really necessary. Since we can actually bring in +$7.5M when sending out Huerter, Jones is not needed to make the trade happen. And if we send him out, we have to just replace him with another league-minimum salary anyway. So we could really be looking at a Huerter/Cam trade straight up with whatever picks we have to throw in to make it happen.
Another note - it does look like adding Colby to that proposed trade isn't really necessary. Since we can actually bring in +$7.5M when sending out Huerter, Jones is not needed to make the trade happen. And if we send him out, we have to just replace him with another league-minimum salary anyway. So we could really be looking at a Huerter/Cam trade straight up with whatever picks we have to throw in to make it happen.
These are the 6 possibilities from my view in no particular order:
1) got a look at Mcdaniels and decided it’s a no for Monte dawg. Get the money off the books in case a trade or cut signing makes sense between now and the deadline.
2) want to use the money and roster spot on Isaac Jones
3) make a small trade with a team that has a 5 mill dollar forward lying around and they don’t want salary coming back
4) make a big trade for a guy like Cam with a team that doesn’t want salary filler back
5) want to sign a free agent like Jae Crowder
6) Vivek is cheap
which one do you think is the most likely? It’s like trying to solve the JB Ramsey cold case, all options seem kind of suspect.
The first option leaves us incredibly thin at forward with no guarantee we can fill that role.
The second option doesn’t require dumping Mcdaniels.
The third one requires us to have a minor asset to trade like second rounders. Cupboards pretty dry there.
The fourth option seems like it could have been done earlier so we we could have implemented a player line that into camp and free agency. Even if you use Kvons injury as an excuse he still isn’t playing so why now?
The fifth option is interesting but guys like Crowder and TJ Warren are probably get minimum players at this point so those don’t impact the luxury right?
The sixth option is not a thing imo.
1) got a look at Mcdaniels and decided it’s a no for Monte dawg. Get the money off the books in case a trade or cut signing makes sense between now and the deadline.
2) want to use the money and roster spot on Isaac Jones
3) make a small trade with a team that has a 5 mill dollar forward lying around and they don’t want salary coming back
4) make a big trade for a guy like Cam with a team that doesn’t want salary filler back
5) want to sign a free agent like Jae Crowder
6) Vivek is cheap
which one do you think is the most likely? It’s like trying to solve the JB Ramsey cold case, all options seem kind of suspect.
The first option leaves us incredibly thin at forward with no guarantee we can fill that role.
The second option doesn’t require dumping Mcdaniels.
The third one requires us to have a minor asset to trade like second rounders. Cupboards pretty dry there.
The fourth option seems like it could have been done earlier so we we could have implemented a player line that into camp and free agency. Even if you use Kvons injury as an excuse he still isn’t playing so why now?
The fifth option is interesting but guys like Crowder and TJ Warren are probably get minimum players at this point so those don’t impact the luxury right?
The sixth option is not a thing imo.
I said in another thread, that I think the reason is to sign Isaac Jones to roster spot #14, and then use his now free two-way slot to sign Boogie to a two-way spot. Then, we still have the 15th spot open (which seems a Monte priority) to either sign a free agent, pickup someone who gets cut, take back a player in a trade, or stay otherwise roster flexible.
could be but I find that risky. Jones can’t shoot at all yet and he has no NBA experience. I’m a long term believer in him and maybe he can be our version of TJD and help right away but you are one Trey Lyles injury away from having no big forward depth. In my mind it might be better to find more proven vet type and let IJ develop in Stockton and serve as an emergency 4. You could also just fill all 15 spots and if you need to cut at the deadline you can. Very interested to see how this plays out
Yeah, I would be surprised if there was that much foresight unless Monte was indeed waiting on a particular move. I know teams can get under the 14 man limit for rosters, they do it during the season, but does a simple cap hold actually count for that since the player isn't even getting paid? I'm not even sure when they penalize teams for not meeting that limit now.
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I've been looking through the CBA on this and it appears that roster charges only apply if a team is under 12 players. Apron calculations don't take into account roster charges above 12, a team is just SOL if they are bumping up against the apron with only 12 players. But that doesn't really help explain the numbers Spotrac is giving us.
Edit: OK, so I figured out where the Spotrac numbers are coming from. Domas ($1.3M), DDR ($1M), and Lyles ($1.2M) have some "unlikely bonuses" written into their contracts. These unlikely bonuses have to be placed in a team's apron salary because they could potentially be paid out. That's why our apron hit is $3.5M more than our salary cap number.
So as it stands we have $4.9M in apron space. If we were to do the Huerter/Cam trade I've talked about, we would have to add in Colby to stay under the apron, we would have 12 players under contract, and we would be unable to sign any free agents for the #13-15 roster spots, even at minimum salary. That seems pretty unlikely when it's put that way. So it probably is more likely that we cleared the McDaniels space to add two guys on ~min deals to fill our currently vacant #14 and #15 slots.
Edit: OK, so I figured out where the Spotrac numbers are coming from. Domas ($1.3M), DDR ($1M), and Lyles ($1.2M) have some "unlikely bonuses" written into their contracts. These unlikely bonuses have to be placed in a team's apron salary because they could potentially be paid out. That's why our apron hit is $3.5M more than our salary cap number.
So as it stands we have $4.9M in apron space. If we were to do the Huerter/Cam trade I've talked about, we would have to add in Colby to stay under the apron, we would have 12 players under contract, and we would be unable to sign any free agents for the #13-15 roster spots, even at minimum salary. That seems pretty unlikely when it's put that way. So it probably is more likely that we cleared the McDaniels space to add two guys on ~min deals to fill our currently vacant #14 and #15 slots.
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Good explanation, Capt., albeit a disappointing conclusion. Now that we have added Doug McDermott, is there enough cap space to sign one more guy at the veteran minimum? I assume that he also signed at the minimum, since otherwise, he was headed to China or Italy. If I understand correctly, that leaves $2.8 million without going over the cap, and the veteran minimum is $2.09 million.
But I am assuming that this would not close the door on a Huerter for DFS trade, correct? DFS makes slightly less than Huerter and for the same length of years. He would seem a much better fit anyway, would cost less draft capital, and would give you a very balanced bench, with options like McLauglin, Carter, and Monk at the guard spots, Lyles, DFS and McDermott at forward, and Len and Robinson up front.