Possible Kenny Thomas Trade ESPN

[Kingster]

that depends... i honestly believe that if kg were healthy that they wouldve beaten the magic and then the cavs.... they played great ball in their 2nd season together. they will play great ball this season in years 3, they have gotten better by signing wallace... not worse. its unfortunate that powe got injured, if he had stayed healthy the celtics couldve beaten the magic. their gamble paid off because it allowed the celtics to be competetive for at least 3-4 years. if they dont win another ring they will have crazy capspace to rebuild the team all over again. by that time rondo will be in his prime and ready to take over that team. who knows what kind of squad they will be able to put together with ray allens expiring contract or kg's expiring contract. the only true celtics will be pierce and rondo(kinda) they can and most likely will trade allen and kg once their usefullness is gone. i cant see why they would hang on to them. they are in a better position to rebuild once their big 3 goes down than we have been in or will ever be in. they are the boston celtics, it will happen again, they will find a way to rebuild and win another ring one day. there is a damn good chance that they will win another ring before the kings do...

Sure bet. Team gets old. Gets injured more. Loses more. But they still are "competitive" (meaning they can get to the playoffs with nil chance of getting another ring). And when they become less "competitive", no problem. You just trade them, get cap space, and then get a superstar or two. I mean, the Kings had Webber, and they traded him and got a superstar. The Celts should get a couple, right? And even better, the Kings are "behind" the Celts because we won't have the cap space that they have. They will find a way, but we won't. Why? Well, just because...That reasoning would make a politician proud.

 

[Kingster]

how does Boston only have a "10%" chance of winning a championship next year?

Age. Injuries. On the downward curve of their "life" cycle. Allen will be 34 years old, Garnett 33, Pierce 32. Pierce looked like he was 42 in last years playoffs. Over the Hill we go....

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Just to see what Vegas thinks I briefly checked the 2010 futures and saw Boston at 4:1 to make the finals and at both 5:1 and 6:1 to win (I visited 3 different sites). Which places them somewhere between 15-20% in the professional's minds. Sounds about right to me, 10% might be a tad low but I wouldn't even touch them at 10:1.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

This thread has gone so off topic I mine as well jump in to defend the Celtics.

Im a homer. I love my Celtics and my Kings, and I dont buy the fact that the Celtics are too old.

Dont forget Rondo was there best player throughout the playoffs, and he is just entering his prime. If/When the Daniels signing becomes official, they get a legit backup for Pierce and Allen that will hopefully keep them fresh for the playoffs. KG will be back, and before this injury he has been extremely durable throughout his career. Plus they add Wallace who is also old, but for what he is expected to do for them he'll be fine. Not to mention they still have one of the best defensive bigs in the league in Perkins. And if they manage to keep Big Baby that team will be very very deep.

I dont expect a big drop off for them in the next few years either, because next year Allen's contract is up, so they can get a new younger SG, the year after that Pierce is up and they can get a new young SF, and then the year after that KG is up, and they'll sign a new PF. Rondo does have to be resigned somewhere in there too, but Im not sure he'll be a Celtic for too much longer anyways.

Every contender has to worry about injuries. If Kobe gets hurt, there done. Ditto for Lebron, Duncan, Howard, or any other star on a championship team. The only differense is the Celtics have the depth to replace these players if the injuries arent season ending.

There not a lock for the finals by any stretch, but If they arent a top 3 seed in the east I'll be surprised.

 

[Kingster]

This thread has gone so off topic I mine as well jump in to defend the Celtics.

Im a homer. I love my Celtics and my Kings, and I dont buy the fact that the Celtics are too old.

Dont forget Rondo was there best player throughout the playoffs, and he is just entering his prime. If/When the Daniels signing becomes official, they get a legit backup for Pierce and Allen that will hopefully keep them fresh for the playoffs. KG will be back, and before this injury he has been extremely durable throughout his career. Plus they add Wallace who is also old, but for what he is expected to do for them he'll be fine. Not to mention they still have one of the best defensive bigs in the league in Perkins. And if they manage to keep Big Baby that team will be very very deep.

I dont expect a big drop off for them in the next few years either, because next year Allen's contract is up, so they can get a new younger SG, the year after that Pierce is up and they can get a new young SF, and then the year after that KG is up, and they'll sign a new PF. Rondo does have to be resigned somewhere in there too, but Im not sure he'll be a Celtic for too much longer anyways.

Every contender has to worry about injuries. If Kobe gets hurt, there done. Ditto for Lebron, Duncan, Howard, or any other star on a championship team. The only differense is the Celtics have the depth to replace these players if the injuries arent season ending.

There not a lock for the finals by any stretch, but If they arent a top 3 seed in the east I'll be surprised.

Just face it. Allen was playing on fumes last year. So was Pierce. The older you get, the more likelihood of injury. Rondo is nice, but doesn't make up for the social security crowd. It was a nice little run, while it lasted.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I like the C's, but they made moves to give them a small window to win it all. They did in year one. Sure it would be nice to win it again in that window, and giving them a 10-20% shot this year is no disrespect at all, in reality it means they are between the 3rd and 5th best team in the league. Depending on their health that is pretty accurate. Percentages have a funny way of looking better/worse than they may actually be.

 

[AriesMar27]

with some real backups or impact players to take the pressure off them, allen and pierce will be fine. allen played his *** off against chicago, he can still play at a high level next season. they have wallace, who can score when kg is off the court and can spread the floor and make threes which will make it easier for allen, pierce and rondo. by the end of the season wallace might be starting over perkins.

 

[bajaden]

with some real backups or impact players to take the pressure off them, allen and pierce will be fine. allen played his *** off against chicago, he can still play at a high level next season. they have wallace, who can score when kg is off the court and can spread the floor and make threes which will make it easier for allen, pierce and rondo. by the end of the season wallace might be starting over perkins.

They definitely have a good shot at it this year, but they are an old team. The thought process that Celtic fans are having right now is the same thought process that got the Kings in trouble. The taste and smell of a championship is still lingering in Celtic land and its hard to let go of. But they have three aging stars, and Wallace, who they just aquired is no spring chicken. Their window is closing, so its go for the brass ring now.

As an aside to Massy, who's opinion I don't always agree with, but certainly respect. I'm sorry! You take Garnet, Pierce, Allen, and Wallace off that team, and they won't even be close enough to sniff the playoffs. No offense to Rhondo, but the dude can't do it alone. I'm not as high on Perkins as you are. And its starting to look like Davis isn't going to return.

 

[kingsnation]

I'm sorry! You take Garnet, Pierce, Allen, and Wallace off that team, and they won't even be close enough to sniff the playoffs. ...

Well, yeah. You take 4 of the best 5 players off of ANY team and they won't come close to sniffing the playoffs either.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

As an aside to Massy, who's opinion I don't always agree with, but certainly respect. I'm sorry! You take Garnet, Pierce, Allen, and Wallace off that team, and they won't even be close enough to sniff the playoffs. No offense to Rhondo, but the dude can't do it alone. I'm not as high on Perkins as you are. And its starting to look like Davis isn't going to return.

No arguments there.

That really wasnt what I was saying though, I just think there team is deep enough where if they lose one or two of them for half a season or so they have the depth to fill in. Once the playoffs come around, though, they better be healthy.

Looking at the EC, if they lose pierce or Allen for a few months, Daniels can step in and with the rest of the roster healthy, that team will win some games. Ditto with KG, if he goes down Sheed will be able to step in and they should be alright for a while. I just think they have the best depth out of the contenders and that will help with there old-ness.

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Remember, Im not saying there in perfect shape or are even the favorites this year, I just think they'll be one of the top teams now and in the future with the way there contracts are set to expire.

Kingster
Just face it. Allen was playing on fumes last year. So was Pierce. The older you get, the more likelihood of injury. Rondo is nice, but doesn't make up for the social security crowd. It was a nice little run, while it lasted.

Im sorry, but I dont see how you can say this team's run is over.

 

[bajaden]

No arguments there.

That really wasnt what I was saying though, I just think there team is deep enough where if they lose one or two of them for half a season or so they have the depth to fill in. Once the playoffs come around, though, they better be healthy.

Looking at the EC, if they lose pierce or Allen for a few months, Daniels can step in and with the rest of the roster healthy, that team will win some games. Ditto with KG, if he goes down Sheed will be able to step in and they should be alright for a while. I just think they have the best depth out of the contenders and that will help with there old-ness.

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Remember, Im not saying there in perfect shape or are even the favorites this year, I just think they'll be one of the top teams now and in the future with the way there contracts are set to expire.



Im sorry, but I dont see how you can say this team's run is over.

Actually, what I was addressing was the fact that their window for winning is closing and the day isn't that far off when they'll slide back into the rest of the pack. But, as for this coming season, I think they have to be considered one of the favorites. I certainly wouldn't bet my house against them. If they stay healthy, they'll be hard to beat. So I wasn't saying that they're run was over. I was simply saying that they better run fast, because the end is in sight.

Going back to my 1000 game theory, where history shows that most NBA players never get to the 1000 game mark and those that do, with rare exceptions, aren't the players they once were.

Garnett: Is only 32 years old, but he's already played in 1055 games.
Wallace: 34 years old and he's played in 1009 games.
Allen: 33 years old and he's played in 942 games.
Pierce: The youngest. 31 years old, and he's played in 813 games.

As you can see, all four are in that area where things start to break. Garnett has always kept himself in great condition, so I can see him being effective for a couple of more seasons. My gut tells me that he's one of those rare ones. The rest I'm not so sure about. Pierce is the youngest and has played the fewest games, but at times appears to be the oldest on the court. I think their fine for this year, and probably, maybe the next. After that, I don't think so.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think this rumor popped up in the context of a midseason trade, but I do find it interesting that rumors continue to swirl that the Knicks are trying to make a trade to free up caproom to get Sessions without sacrificing their free agent dreams next year. The rumored trade would do exactly that for the Knicks -- allowing them to sign Sessions without adding anything more to their cap (since we would have absorbed it).