Poll: Which player do you think we should pick at #3 if Wall & Turner are gone?

[Vlade4GM]

He looks 6'9" in shoes to me. I guess we'll find out soon.

He definitely looked taller than Lawal and that's Lawal's height.

 

[apollo916]

I'm all for Derrick Favors at #3, 18 and has very very very rare leangth and athletics . Has decent post moves and has gotten bigger. Can dunk on anybody in the NBA and lord knows Arco needs more excitement. nbadraftDOTcom has his wingspan at 9-1

 

[Vlade4GM]

I'm all for Derrick Favors at #3, 18 and has very very very rare leangth and athletics . Has decent post moves and has gotten bigger. Can dunk on anybody in the NBA and lord knows Arco needs more excitement. nbadraftDOTcom has his wingspan at 9-1

I'm sure they mean standing reach, not wingspan.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

He looks 6'9" in shoes to me. I guess we'll find out soon.

this, looks similar to Amare in size..if I had to make a blind guess on what I feel his barefoot height would be...

6'8.5

talking about height, a guys who's going to be made or killed by his measurement is Ed Davis...

he measures under 6'9..He probably will drop to 10-15.. If he measures a solid 6'10 or above he prolly will be 7-10...

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Favors Vs. Cousins. Its hard to pick a side. Cousins has shown us a lot more than Favors has, so normally he would be considered the 'safe' pick .. but he has the off the court issues Favors doesnt. Heres how I break it down

Favors
Better Defensive Potential
Better Athlete
Younger
Seems more mature than Cousins
Not as polished offensively
Didnt have great Numbers

Cousins
Much better offensively
Better overall size
Bad Temper
Decent Athlete
Can be a black whole on offense
Defense, while decent, not as much potential on that end as Favors.

All year I favored Cousins. Partly because Kentucky was on TV alot, and GT wasnt. I saw more of Cousins than Favors, and I liked what I saw. I also saw too much yelling, alot of back and forth stuff with the coach. Just stuff that didnt need to happen. With Favors, all I read all year was how he wasnt getting enough looks because of Lawal, and yet I never read or saw anything that said Favors was upset about it. Im sure he wanted the ball more, wanted more playing time ( especially early in the year ) but he didnt argue or complain. Plus his guards were trash.

I think Cousins could be the next Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson. Favors could be really good or just another athletic guy. They both have question marks. This would be a much easier choice for me if Favors just played better, but he really wasnt all that great for most of the season .. so you just never know. He didnt produce like a #1 ranked prospect should.

I'd be more than happy with either of them. Anyone in the top 4 would be awesome. I almost hope we get the 4th pick, so we dont have to choose .. one of them will just fall to us, so we wont be the team that looks stupid for taking the wrong guy.

If someone had a gun to my head, I would take Favors. Maybe Cousins off the court issues have been blown wayyy out of proportion, but when the players are this close, you use anything as a reason to take the other guy. That and Favors is 18. Always prefer the younger guy.

As far as a fit standpoint with this team .. I think Favors fits in slightly better. Not sure how Landry and Cousins would work out together. Both of them like to do there work in the post, while Favors is a bit better at moving without the ball. And he wont be needed all that much on offense anyways. We'll score points, and he'll help out more on D than Cousins would. JT has proven to be versatile enough to play center when we need him too.


I would LOVE to find a way to pick up Cole Aldrich if he drops, which Im starting to think he might. If you have Aldrich and Favors playing together, its going to be very hard to score on that duo, and both of them can score a little bit too. Aldrich being the stong "keep your guy out of the post" defender while Favors can come from the weak side and block shots. Thats something I would pay to see.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

Favors Vs. Cousins. Its hard to pick a side. Cousins has shown us a lot more than Favors has, so normally he would be considered the 'safe' pick .. but he has the off the court issues Favors doesnt. Heres how I break it down

Favors
Better Defensive Potential
Better Athlete
Younger
Seems more mature than Cousins
Not as polished offensively
Didnt have great Numbers

Cousins
Much better offensively
Better overall size
Bad Temper
Decent Athlete
Can be a black whole on offense
Defense, while decent, not as much potential on that end as Favors.

All year I favored Cousins. Partly because Kentucky was on TV alot, and GT wasnt. I saw more of Cousins than Favors, and I liked what I saw. I also saw too much yelling, alot of back and forth stuff with the coach. Just stuff that didnt need to happen. With Favors, all I read all year was how he wasnt getting enough looks because of Lawal, and yet I never read or saw anything that said Favors was upset about it. Im sure he wanted the ball more, wanted more playing time ( especially early in the year ) but he didnt argue or complain. Plus his guards were trash.

I think Cousins could be the next Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson. Favors could be really good or just another athletic guy. They both have question marks. This would be a much easier choice for me if Favors just played better, but he really wasnt all that great for most of the season .. so you just never know. He didnt produce like a #1 ranked prospect should.

I'd be more than happy with either of them. Anyone in the top 4 would be awesome. I almost hope we get the 4th pick, so we dont have to choose .. one of them will just fall to us, so we wont be the team that looks stupid for taking the wrong guy.

If someone had a gun to my head, I would take Favors. Maybe Cousins off the court issues have been blown wayyy out of proportion, but when the players are this close, you use anything as a reason to take the other guy. That and Favors is 18. Always prefer the younger guy.

As far as a fit standpoint with this team .. I think Favors fits in slightly better. Not sure how Landry and Cousins would work out together. Both of them like to do there work in the post, while Favors is a bit better at moving without the ball. And he wont be needed all that much on offense anyways. We'll score points, and he'll help out more on D than Cousins would. JT has proven to be versatile enough to play center when we need him too.


I would LOVE to find a way to pick up Cole Aldrich if he drops, which Im starting to think he might. If you have Aldrich and Favors playing together, its going to be very hard to score on that duo, and both of them can score a little bit too. Aldrich being the stong "keep your guy out of the post" defender while Favors can come from the weak side and block shots. Thats something I would pay to see.

I like your assessment and completely agree with it..

I have an issue with Cousins/Tyreke playing together...they really can't play TOGETHER in sets while a big like Favors is better suited next to Tyreke as he can play the pick/roll and cut inside much more often (See Nash and Amare)

if Tyreke develops his J..that would be another story..

 

[bajaden]

I like your assessment and completely agree with it..

I have an issue with Cousins/Tyreke playing together...they really can't play TOGETHER in sets while a big like Favors is better suited next to Tyreke as he can play the pick/roll and cut inside much more often (See Nash and Amare)

if Tyreke develops his J..that would be another story..

I have no idea why you would think Evans and Cousins can't play together and Evans and Favors can. Lets be clear about one thing. Favors has no game, and I mean zero game away from the basket. That doesn't mean he won't develop one eventually. But were talking about now and what is. So if you think that Evans can't play with Cousins because Cousins is mostly a post player, then the same analogy would apply to Favors.

In order for Favors to be a good pick and roll player, he has to be able to shoot the ball from the outside, and he would have to be a much better passer than he is. He would need a 15 to 18 foot shot. At present he doesn't have one. Or if he does, he's kept it well hidden. I think I could count how many jumpshots he took all year on both hands.

Both these guys are post players. Each has some advantages over the other in different area's. So I'm not arguing for or against either of them. I'm just pointing out some flaws in the logic here. We can't just invent a player that we want. We have to deal with what he is.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

I have no idea why you would think Evans and Cousins can't play together and Evans and Favors can. Lets be clear about one thing. Favors has no game, and I mean zero game away from the basket. That doesn't mean he won't develop one eventually. But were talking about now and what is. So if you think that Evans can't play with Cousins because Cousins is mostly a post player, then the same analogy would apply to Favors.

In order for Favors to be a good pick and roll player, he has to be able to shoot the ball from the outside, and he would have to be a much better passer than he is. He would need a 15 to 18 foot shot. At present he doesn't have one. Or if he does, he's kept it well hidden. I think I could count how many jumpshots he took all year on both hands.

Both these guys are post players. Each has some advantages over the other in different area's. So I'm not arguing for or against either of them. I'm just pointing out some flaws in the logic here. We can't just invent a player that we want. We have to deal with what he is.

Favors has the ability to develop a face to the basket game and attack(very similar to Amare) because of his insane athleticism... Cousins doesn't have that speed/athleticism..

 

[Vlade4GM]

Favors has the ability to develop a face to the basket game and attack(very similar to Amare) because of his insane athleticism... Cousins doesn't have that speed/athleticism..

I'm not sure what kind of image you have in your head about Favors' athleticism, but it's not "insane." He's a good athlete, but he's not in Amare's league, especially in terms of speed/quickness. He's a much better athlete than Cousins for sure, but lets not get carried away.

 

[bajaden]

Favors has the ability to develop a face to the basket game and attack(very similar to Amare) because of his insane athleticism... Cousins doesn't have that speed/athleticism..

Well I tend to focus on what the player can do right now, and not on what I hope he'll be able to do. Favors has been compared to a future Dwight Howard by some on this fourm, and now he's Amare. Why not Lebron or superman while were at it. If I had to choose someone that I would like him to become, it would be Karl Malone. And to me, thats who he most resembles right now. Malone, coming out of college, was a physical, athletic player that rebounded, scored primarily in the post and ran the floor like a deer. He had virtually no outside game at all and was a terrible freethrow shooter. Of course by year three, most of the that had been remedied.

So I could see Tyreke and Favors running the pick and roll into the ground. It would take a couple of years and require both players to become good jump shooters, but there's no reason to believe it couldn't happen. But its not going to happen in the short term. I'll put it this way. If the Kings FO thinks that Favors can become anything close to resembling Malone, then draft him and never look back.

 

[Sparky6string]

I wish we had the ability to look into the future to see which of these players develop the best. I'll echo the sentiment of wanting Aldrich really badly- damn I wish we could figure out a way to keep our high pick and get a shot at Aldrich too.

I see both comparisons of Malone and Amare to Favors actually. If we're looking for someone to finish the fast break with Tyreke then we should look at Favors, Aminu or Johnson. I'm really wanting a center though which is why I still want Cousins. I realize a guy with the physical tools of Favors is rare but a true center with Cousins' frame, strength and ability is rare also.

I don't mind taking Favors at 3 if we can trade up and get Aldrich later in the draft.

 

[Vlade4GM]

You know what would suck? If we got the 5th or 6th pick.

 

[bajaden]

You know what would suck? If we got the 5th or 6th pick.

Shhhhhhh! I was having a nice day.

 

[Chupacabra]

Dont get me wrong, I like favors. Good as he is, people on this board are going crazy over him and i know full well that almost everyone BARELY saw him play AT ALL. Personally, i think Favors is a prospect that still has alot to learn. Cousins is ready to start from day 1. Alot of people on this board seem to be exaggerating Favors ability and marginalizing Cousins. I see significantly more potential to dominate in Cousins than i see in Favors.

 

[bajaden]

Dont get me wrong, I like favors. Good as he is, people on this board are going crazy over him and i know full well that almost everyone BARELY saw him play AT ALL. Personally, i think Favors is a prospect that still has alot to learn. Cousins is ready to start from day 1. Alot of people on this board seem to be exaggerating Favors ability and marginalizing Cousins. I see significantly more potential to dominate in Cousins than i see in Favors.

Dreams are always easier to believe in than reality is. I think I've made it pretty clear that I favor Cousins when asked to choose. At the same time I don't want to diminish the possibilities that Favors brings to the table. So I'm trying to be fair. After next tuesday we can begin this discussion in earnest. Lets just hope that were discussing the same thing, and not whether we should draft Aldrich, Davis, Monroe, or Udoh. You can blame Vlade for the last sentence.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Favors Vs. Cousins. Its hard to pick a side. Cousins has shown us a lot more than Favors has, so normally he would be considered the 'safe' pick .. but he has the off the court issues Favors doesnt. Heres how I break it down

Favors
Better Defensive Potential
Better Athlete
Younger
Seems more mature than Cousins
Not as polished offensively
Didnt have great Numbers

Cousins
Much better offensively
Better overall size
Bad Temper
Decent Athlete
Can be a black whole on offense
Defense, while decent, not as much potential on that end as Favors.

All year I favored Cousins. Partly because Kentucky was on TV alot, and GT wasnt. I saw more of Cousins than Favors, and I liked what I saw. I also saw too much yelling, alot of back and forth stuff with the coach. Just stuff that didnt need to happen. With Favors, all I read all year was how he wasnt getting enough looks because of Lawal, and yet I never read or saw anything that said Favors was upset about it. Im sure he wanted the ball more, wanted more playing time ( especially early in the year ) but he didnt argue or complain. Plus his guards were trash.

I think Cousins could be the next Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson. Favors could be really good or just another athletic guy. They both have question marks. This would be a much easier choice for me if Favors just played better, but he really wasnt all that great for most of the season .. so you just never know. He didnt produce like a #1 ranked prospect should.

I'd be more than happy with either of them. Anyone in the top 4 would be awesome. I almost hope we get the 4th pick, so we dont have to choose .. one of them will just fall to us, so we wont be the team that looks stupid for taking the wrong guy.

If someone had a gun to my head, I would take Favors. Maybe Cousins off the court issues have been blown wayyy out of proportion, but when the players are this close, you use anything as a reason to take the other guy. That and Favors is 18. Always prefer the younger guy.

As far as a fit standpoint with this team .. I think Favors fits in slightly better. Not sure how Landry and Cousins would work out together. Both of them like to do there work in the post, while Favors is a bit better at moving without the ball. And he wont be needed all that much on offense anyways. We'll score points, and he'll help out more on D than Cousins would. JT has proven to be versatile enough to play center when we need him too.


I would LOVE to find a way to pick up Cole Aldrich if he drops, which Im starting to think he might. If you have Aldrich and Favors playing together, its going to be very hard to score on that duo, and both of them can score a little bit too. Aldrich being the stong "keep your guy out of the post" defender while Favors can come from the weak side and block shots. Thats something I would pay to see.

Good post.

I definitely tend to believe the positive character reputation that Favors has. He was stuck with such a crappy situation and had all the reason in the world to be completely frustrated, but he always (at least when I was watching) kept his cool and stayed aggressive, especially defensively and on the boards.

 

[Gary]

I like your assessment and completely agree with it..

I have an issue with Cousins/Tyreke playing together...they really can't play TOGETHER in sets while a big like Favors is better suited next to Tyreke as he can play the pick/roll and cut inside much more often (See Nash and Amare)

if Tyreke develops his J..that would be another story..

I dunno man.. I like Evans, and Cousins together.. Having players that play mean tough, in your face basketball where both can ram it down your throat on any given play is definitely what I want next year..

Plus I don't think favors will be given any favors in the measurements hehe hahah hoho

 

[Gilles]

Dont get me wrong, I like favors. Good as he is, people on this board are going crazy over him and i know full well that almost everyone BARELY saw him play AT ALL. Personally, i think Favors is a prospect that still has alot to learn. Cousins is ready to start from day 1. Alot of people on this board seem to be exaggerating Favors ability and marginalizing Cousins. I see significantly more potential to dominate in Cousins than i see in Favors.

I have simple response to this: watch games Kentukky vs UNC and UConn, not those where he has 2-3 inches and 50 pounds on his defender.
Favors had a couple of games where Lawal was in foul trouble, guards had to feed him the ball and he was dominating. People need to realize that despite being second in pecking order behind Lawal, despite his team being #309 in NCAA in TO(no rhythm) and #278 in 3pt attempts(zone) he got 12.4p+8.4r in 27.5min. Chris Bosh had 15.9+9 in 31 min. in a much more favorable situation since he's a jumpshooter.

 

[JB_kings]

Landry is probably the better outside shooter for Tyreke to run the pick/roll with. I think if Favors is the guy, he will have to come off the bench behind Landry. If Cousins is the guy, then he easily could start from day one since the center position has weak competition.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I have simple response to this: watch games Kentukky vs UNC and UConn, not those where he has 2-3 inches and 50 pounds on his defender.
Favors had a couple of games where Lawal was in foul trouble, guards had to feed him the ball and he was dominating. People need to realize that despite being second in pecking order behind Lawal, despite his team being #309 in NCAA in TO(no rhythm) and #278 in 3pt attempts(zone) he got 12.4p+8.4r in 27.5min. Chris Bosh had 15.9+9 in 31 min. in a much more favorable situation since he's a jumpshooter.

When you consider how young Favors is, he really isn't as raw offensively as people like to make out.

 

[Kingster]

I said in earlier posts that it would have been nice to see Favors in the Kentucky rotation, just to see how he would have produced. Unfortunately we didn't have that opportunity, so all I can go on is what I saw. Cousins and Favors only have one thing in common, and thats the fact that both players are at the moment, post players. Putting potential aside, because its an untangible that can't be proven of disproven in the now, I would rather deal with what is, and not what could be. Not that its not important for the future. But in the short term I'd rather bet on the now. And right now, if we were willing to say that both are equally talented. Perhaps in different ways, but equal, then I prefer to go to what the Kings need. And the Kings need a presence in the middle. Someone that can score in the post and demand double teams in the post. And hopefully improve our pitiful defense in the post. To my mind, Cousins comes closer to filling that need than Favors.

Now thats just my personal opinion. And unless Cousins measures out at 6'8" at the combine, or Favors suddenly grows to 6'10" or taller and has a 7'4" wingspan, then I'm sticking to that opinion. So I'm not saying I won't change my mind if, lets say the team workouts start showing Favors to be a superior player etc.

As far as Cousins temperment goes, I'm done discussing it. I'll leave that to the Kings. I'm sure they're way ahead of us as far as making judgements in that regard. Most teams have scouted these guys all through highschool. So they probably have a pretty good read on them.

So as Gilles said, we'll just have to agree to disagree. And if you end up being right down the road, I'll gladly admit it. As a matter of fact, if we end up drafting Favors, I damm well hope your right and I'm wrong.

They could both be good players, in which case we're both right. Or, they could both be total busts, in which case we're both wrong. I'll tell you one thing. I'm 95% confident that Turner and Wall will be excellent players. I'm not nearly as confident with either Favors or Cousins. Just to pick a number, I'd say I'm 85% confident Favors will be excellent and 75% confident Cousins will be.

 

[bajaden]

They could both be good players, in which case we're both right. Or, they could both be total busts, in which case we're both wrong. I'll tell you one thing. I'm 95% confident that Turner and Wall will be excellent players. I'm not nearly as confident with either Favors or Cousins. Just to pick a number, I'd say I'm 85% confident Favors will be excellent and 75% confident Cousins will be.

I agree on Wall and Turner. I'd probably reverse the percentages on Favors and Cousins, but it could go either way. So I'd say its fair..