Pleasantly surprised by Jimmer.

[Italics]

Bibby was our leader for a long time, on many successful teams. And most importantly we almost won it all with him playing significant minutes. I think if Jimmer can reach Bibby level then alot of us would be happy.


Jimmer has never been a PG and I doubt ever will. I think we would all be very happy if he developed into something like Bibby. But Bibby was a PG in high school and college so his PG skills were already developed by the time he got to the NbA. Jimmer does not have those skills and we all know how hard they are to develop at this level.

Doesn't have PG skills? Numerous scoring records. Third place for assists in all-time MWC history. Averaged a couple steals a game despite being asked by his coach to not play defense. Can score from the outside, off the dribble, or by taking it to the hoop.

What in the hell do you consider to be "PG skills?"

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I don't know why people are calling Jimmer unathletic. Dude is way more athletic than Bibby. The height he gets on his jumper is stellar, the guy can change directions or pull up on a dime and he hits turnarounds. And he makes it look easy. I don't know of a definition of athlete that Jimmer wouldn't fit. I should probably mention, the dude is a pro athlete.


His basketball IQ is also off the charts. He is going to average almost 3 assists/game to Demarcus Cousins alone. But he needs to learn how to play defense, just like 95% of the rookies that come into the NBA.

Peace

Yah true true, I said he was unathletic, but i think your right, hes more athletic then Bibby. I don't know alot of players that can pull up and nail a 3pt jumper off the dribble with almost perfect balance each time.

 

[Tyndel]

Lets be clear you can't just say assists equal point guard. He is a rook we will see where he is in a half season and go from there.

As for the comparisons to bibby. Bibby was a purer point guard but when he came to Sac he was asked in our offense to be more of a shooter. In Van his non rookie seasons were 8.1 and 8.4 assists a game but we didn't need him to do that here. Again it comes down to coaching putting guys in a position to succeed and having clear offensive plans then asking them to play in them. It also involves creating an offense your current roster can do instead of trying to get players to do things they don't have the ability too.

 

[swisshh]

I could see him being like Bibby, but it will take time. Mike wasn't all that much of a PG, but he could set up an offense, run a pick n roll and run a fast break.

If Jimmer can develop his decision making on the break, it would help this team a lot. The Kings screwed up so many fast breaks last year that it was somewhat embaressing. The coaches keep talking about wanting to be fast paced and being a transition team, but you really need a guy who can operate the fast break to do that. If you try to be a fast break team without a fast break guy then you're just sort of a sloppy mess.

 

[jayfly]

Doesn't have PG skills? Numerous scoring records. Third place for assists in all-time MWC history. Averaged a couple steals a game despite being asked by his coach to not play defense. Can score from the outside, off the dribble, or by taking it to the hoop.

Funny you mention PG skills but two of your points are about him scoring. He averaged 1.3 steals per game his senior year and he got a lot of assists because he played virtually every minute for 3 years and had the ball in his hands the majority of the time.

I am in no way bashing the guy. I think he has the skills to be a good combo guard who can score some points in a hurry but just not a true point. Thats all I am saying nothing more nothing less. Also when I say unathletic I mean in comparison to NBA level athleticism. Curry is a nice comparison but Curry has a few inches on him and better handles, at least at this point.

 

[Npliam]

Jimmer will be a point guard in the NBA. He can get into the lane and will be able to finish around the basket if no help comes. He has excellent court vision and a really high basketball IQ. He is a very good passer and looks for the open man.

 

[Warhawk]

LOL, that may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I disagree. One game does not a career make.

Ask Gerald Wallace. Or Kobe. Or just about any other rookie.

Frankly, from the little I have seen, Jimmer will do well in the NBA. I sure as heck hope that he does and helps the Kings do well. But it will take a while for him to settle in and for teams to game plan for his presence. Let's just let this guy simmer for a while and start making declarations about how good or bad he will be when we have a significant sample size of performances to judge, shall we? One preseason game against the Warriors after one week of practice doesn't carry much water with me.

 

[jayfly]

LOL, that may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I was only referring to the part where he said I was whats wrong with america lol. I kind of stopped reading after that.

 

[TheTruth]

Man jayfly could not be more wrong about Jimmer not being a PG.

First off, hes an incredibly underrated passer. You bring up his assist totals (which aren't even that bad) but fail to mention how AWFUL his teammates were at BYU.

But if you actually watch Jimmer play you will see his passing. He almost always finds the open man (if a guy is open that is). His vision is great. His dribbling is also underrated.

You say your PG needs to be pass first. I highly disagree, Derek Rose is not a pass first PG. Lebron James who doesn't officially play PG but plays PG in his offense is not pass first. Yes these guys average more APG than Jimmer however they are still score first mentality and they are 2 top 5 players in the NBA.

Being able to be an elite scorer helps you A TON as a pg. Why? If you are, teams have to pay more attention to you which leaves your teammates open. When this happens JIMMER will find them, he always has and will continue to do so (and did so in the first preseason game).

I'm a celtics fan and a guy like Rondo is vastly overrated because HE CANT SCORE (well can't shoot that is). Great teams just play off him and expose him a ton, hes a massive liability vs great teams who do this.

 

[Rookie]

What in the hell do you consider to be "PG skills?"

Didn't he mentioned Nash, CP3 and Deron Williams...duh. Unless you're a proven PG..oops I mean star PG in the NBA, you don't have PG skills.

Basically for some people, unless you're comparable to a star player, you're not qualified. 4/1 assist to TO isn't good enough for a rookie on his first game to show sign that he can be a PG.

I'm not saying he will be a great PG or anything like that but 4/1 is a good sign that he can dish the ball safely to the right man. And in order to do that, IMO, you need to make good decision and passing ability. 7-11 shooting also shows sign that the guy know when to shoot, another good sign of a smart player. The thing is can he repeat this?

 

[Hallama]

I'll tell you the main thing that surprised me in that game. He missed a couple of freethrows in a row. Remember it, because you probably won't see again for a long time. He shot 90% from the freethrow line in college.

I had the exact same thought when he missed two in a row. I was thinking he may never do that again in his career. And a guy like Jimmer likes his points, and I'm sure he's been kicking himself that he should've had 24 points, not 21. I've always told teammates/players that FTs is a time to be greedy, a good mentality to have at the line imo.

 

[Warhawk]

I was only referring to the part where he said I was whats wrong with america lol. I kind of stopped reading after that.

Then maybe you need to say that? Because otherwise we don't know what you are referring to.

 

[lancewarchibald]

How was Jimmer's defense?

I didn't get to see the game, and I have been really curious to see how Jimmer would fair defensively in the league. The biggest thing for me is that he hussles, because I think as long as he hussles he'll eventually get the hang of it and not be a defensive liability.

 

[TheTruth]

I didn't get to see the game, and I have been really curious to see how Jimmer would fair defensively in the league. The biggest thing for me is that he hussles, because I think as long as he hussles he'll eventually get the hang of it and not be a defensive liability.

his man to man defense was far better than I expected (ie. not brutal, was below average but nothing lol worthy). he made some dumb decisions like over helping which lead to leaving his man open but this can easily be corrected via coaching.

 

[Bricklayer]

I didn't get to see the game, and I have been really curious to see how Jimmer would fair defensively in the league. The biggest thing for me is that he hussles, because I think as long as he hussles he'll eventually get the hang of it and not be a defensive liability.

Got killed early. Settled in and got more competitive as the game went along.

 

[bajaden]

I didn't get to see the game, and I have been really curious to see how Jimmer would fair defensively in the league. The biggest thing for me is that he hussles, because I think as long as he hussles he'll eventually get the hang of it and not be a defensive liability.

Early on, especially in the first quarter he was absolutlely lost on some of the rotations. He was the cause of an illegal defense call at one point, simply because he was guarding no one. When he came back into the game toward the end of the 2nd quarter, he was better. In the second half he was good enough that he didn't stand out like a sore thumb. When he's directly on his man, he's OK. But when he has to rotate, he's getting lost out there at times. Some of that is to be expected. It'll take some time, but he's a hard worker, and has very good basketball IQ. There's no reason he can't bring his defensive level up to acceptable standards.

I'd also like to point out something about assists for a PG. The PG is like a quarterback on a football team. first you need talent, and second, you need familiarity. To expect any PG to come in to a team with players he hasn't really played with, and dazzle you with his creativity, is ridiculous. This is going to take a while. Once a PG knows where everyone is going to be on the floor. Where everyone likes to shoot from. Then you'll start to see the assist levels go up.

 

[TehSwimGuy]

I was only referring to the part where he said I was whats wrong with america lol. I kind of stopped reading after that.

Well, that was at the end of my discussion about what was wrong about what you said, so I don't know how you managed to miss the main part of my argument. Learn to read from the top down, and then we can talk. I had a more than valid point that you chose to ignore.

Either you somehow missed what I said, or it was such a valid point that you're just trolling.

 

[Italics]

Funny you mention PG skills but two of your points are about him scoring. He averaged 1.3 steals per game his senior year and he got a lot of assists because he played virtually every minute for 3 years and had the ball in his hands the majority of the time.

I am in no way bashing the guy. I think he has the skills to be a good combo guard who can score some points in a hurry but just not a true point. Thats all I am saying nothing more nothing less. Also when I say unathletic I mean in comparison to NBA level athleticism. Curry is a nice comparison but Curry has a few inches on him and better handles, at least at this point.

If you're going to chalk up his high assists to "he played a lot," then you also need to consider another factor - the fact that Jimmer had to virtually carry the team on his own. If you watched every single BYU game the last 3-4 seasons (like I have), you've known that Jimmer's teammates - particularly his "bigs" - weren't the greatest, and blew opportunity after opportunity. It wasn't rare to see Jimmer make a beautiful pass to a wide open big under the hoop and then have that big miss an easy lay-in 2 or 3 times a game. Now that he's in the NBA, it should be refreshing for Jimmer to have teammates who can finish... at least I hope they can. In Jimmer's one game so far he had to carry the team offensively, so maybe Sacramento will just be a repeat of Provo...

 

[jayfly]

Sheesh. People like you are what's wrong with America. Instant results/gratification/progress. You're not going to know how he fairs in the NBA until the season is partway through, or even already over. Your're not going to know from one, or two, or three games. So just cool your jets and wait before you determine what sort of player he is.

That is the quote taken directly from your post. Clearly not at the end of your post but right at the beginning. Maybe you should practice what you preach before popping off to someone else.

 

[jayfly]

If you're going to chalk up his high assists to "he played a lot," then you also need to consider another factor - the fact that Jimmer had to virtually carry the team on his own. If you watched every single BYU game the last 3-4 seasons (like I have), you've known that Jimmer's teammates - particularly his "bigs" - weren't the greatest, and blew opportunity after opportunity. It wasn't rare to see Jimmer make a beautiful pass to a wide open big under the hoop and then have that big miss an easy lay-in 2 or 3 times a game. Now that he's in the NBA, it should be refreshing for Jimmer to have teammates who can finish... at least I hope they can. In Jimmer's one game so far he had to carry the team offensively, so maybe Sacramento will just be a repeat of Provo...

I dont doubt what you are saying but Davies, Hartsock and Collinsworth all shot right around 50% last year. That tells me they can finish. Just think what their % would have been had they not blown all those easy ones.

 

[whozit]

That is the quote taken directly from your post. Clearly not at the end of your post but right at the beginning. Maybe you should practice what you preach before popping off to someone else.

If you go back to post #23 of this thread, his original post, you might find yourself mistaken.

 

[jayfly]

wow how funny. that post was changed. i pulled that quote directly from the start of the post and went back and checked it again after his post. But whatever.

 

[Entity]

Oh did we get that Jimmer Freddette kid from BYU?

 

[TehSwimGuy]

wow how funny. that post was changed. i pulled that quote directly from the start of the post and went back and checked it again after his post. But whatever.

There was no editing in that post. Are you really that stupid? There would be an "edited by" and a date of edit. What was in that post was what you saw when you wrote that post.

Good try, though. Just admit you made a mistake.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

jay you soo fly!

 

[Kingsguy881]

Who let this character in the door?

 

[Boogie-havoc]

I still have major major doubts over his defence.

I mean what we got to see in college and this pre-season game, this kid is a beyond horrible defender who doesn't really knows what he's doing at all.

Now, granted he needs time to adjust and I will surely wait till the season ends to see how\if he improoves - but the level of defence he has shown against the Warriors was flat out horrible in a major major way (although he gave an effort at times).

Again, i'm not having any final judgment or anything, just saying what we saw so far - he will need to be ALOT better just to reach an average defender level in the NBA that could justify keeping him on the floor playing for a long period of time.

One thing for sure is it'll be interesting to find out, and I sure hope he pulls it off.

 

[Kingster]

Jimmer looked good. He's in shape, he's trying to run the offense like it should be run, he's doing his best to defend, and his shooting was as advertised. The problem is, he looked to me like the only one on the floor who played well.

 

[bajaden]

I dont doubt what you are saying but Davies, Hartsock and Collinsworth all shot right around 50% last year. That tells me they can finish. Just think what their % would have been had they not blown all those easy ones.

I watched just about every game Fredette played in the last two year on the mtn channel, and on the BYU channel. Sorry, but you have no freaking idea what your talking about. Your arguing against the very player that at the beginning you said you were surprised by. What Italics said was fact. Do you honestly want to compare the players on BYU to Ohio St. or Kentucky. Your nothing but a troll, and I'm done with you. Sorry dude, but your going on my ignore list.

 

[AL/kfan]

Okay, one preseason game does not a season make. But, Da Jimmers shooting touch sure got my attention. Ain't no doubt about it, some Warrior vets zipped right by him like he was standing still. But in the second half he did show some improvement. Yeah I know he had terrific college stats but I didn't want to get caught into that like I did a couple years back when I poured all over college game videos of Quincy Douby, who displayed unbelievable long-range talent but unfortunately for us, he lost that touch when he came into the NBA. Most NBA articles I read always seem to finish their first sentence with something like " he can't play defense”. I like to think that Freddette knows he's got his work cut out for him to improve his defense and he has to do it quickly. And, I also think that the Kings coaches are going to work extra hard to bring Jimmer’s defense up to an acceptable level. Too bad he missed out on the NBA's Summer league and a standard Kings pre-camp. But all the rookies are in the same boat. We're all in his corner. People, I think we got ourselves a Gem, rough-cut to be sure. He's got a long ways to go and the short time to get there.