Larry David
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Interesting points Captain, as you pointed out some things I skipped over. I've always assumed they made the bad 76ers trade for bad basketball reasons. I supposed they could have also been cheap as well.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if we, along with the pels and the sixers keep losing, we will more than likely have 2 top 10 picks? I know Chicago only gets ours if it falls outside the top 10. Philly may opt to not swapping this year, which is obvious if they finish worse than us. Are we stuck in this dilemma for years or is there a breaking/expiring point on these pick swaps/pick surrenders??
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if we, along with the pels and the sixers keep losing, we will more than likely have 2 top 10 picks? I know Chicago only gets ours if it falls outside the top 10. Philly may opt to not swapping this year, which is obvious if they finish worse than us. Are we stuck in this dilemma for years or is there a breaking/expiring point on these pick swaps/pick surrenders??
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if we, along with the pels and the sixers keep losing, we will more than likely have 2 top 10 picks? I know Chicago only gets ours if it falls outside the top 10. Philly may opt to not swapping this year, which is obvious if they finish worse than us. Are we stuck in this dilemma for years or is there a breaking/expiring point on these pick swaps/pick surrenders??
So the 4th would be the pels' pick and ours the #2 if philly won the lottery and we jumped into the top 3??I think Carmichael Dave said that we could at best get the 2 and 4 picks.
So the 4th would be the pels' pick and ours the #2 if philly won the lottery and we jumped into the top 3??
I think Carmichael Dave said that we could at best get the 2 and 4 picks.
Given Kings luck and history I can bet this more likely to be the case than us getting pick 2 and 4.Getting the #2, #4 and #35 picks would be so unlike past draft history for the Kings. If it happens and the players are studs everything could change for the Kings.
My understanding is the best case scenario for the Kings now is that the Pelicans come in at fourth, while Kings own pick comes in at fifth (to avoid giving to the Bulls), and the Sixers are somewhere in 1-3. Results of this are 2 top 10 picks 4 and 5
Worst case scenario is the Pelicans tank and get 1-3 while the Kings go 10+ and give their pick away to the Bulls. No 1st round picks but 2 2nd round picks.
When we lose this years NO pick, AND WE WILL, because we are the KANGZ, vlade is gonna be thrown out of here on his friggin ear. I swear there is gonna be some serious kings fans rage when vlades ineptitude really shows itself in this years draft.
Glad I'm on your ignore list.I'll tell you what I find despicable. It's when a fan dislikes someone so much, like Vlade, that he actually hopes for bad things to happen to the team just so he can prove his point. Your wishing for failure, just so Vlade can be fired. You've earned you way onto my ignore list.
I am not sure anyone has mention it or not. Does the pick swap with philly happen before or after the lottery?
They also freed up $18.5M of cash (which, as Yogi Berra says, is just like real money).
The Kings had a choice of paying out $18.5M to players they were going to cut while also taking a cap hit for the next five years, or giving up two pick swaps and a first-round pick. They chose to "sell" that first-round pick (and the swaps, and Stauskas) for $18.5M and some additional cap flexibility. Salary floor rules meant that Philly effectively paid less than that (when all is said and done the Kings actually "stole" that money from Philly's players, which is an interesting trick), but from the Kings' side that's not really a terrible bargain. Now, what they did with that $18.5M and the cap flexibility didn't work, but that doesn't mean they didn't understand the rules. That $18.5M is effectively what they paid Marco Belinelli ($19M/3). Now, Belinelli didn't work out, but they obviously thought he would, and while without the trade they could have used the rules differently to get the cap space to sign him, that wouldn't have helped them have the CASH to sign him, since they would be paying that money to players they had waived instead.
In short, the Kings sold a first round pick for a lot of money. Then they screwed up with what they spent the money on. But these are two separate transactions.
Question: If Philly land the #11 pick (or worse) and we land the #10 pick (or better) in the lottery, and Philly decide to swap, would we still owe Chicago our draft pick because it's outside the top ten...
No. The Chicago portion of our pick is settled first. The Sixers pick swap happens second, if applicable. The Pelicans pick is independent of both of these - it is ours unless it ends up top three, and cannot go to either Chicago or Philly.
This used to be stickied up top, and I don't know what happened to it.
Given Kings luck and history I can bet this more likely to be the case than us getting pick 2 and 4.
We win the lottery but Sixers swap with us so we get pick 7 instead of 1 and NO gets a top 3 pick this year, have a good FA period and their pick has immediate impact and that pick next year is in the mid 20s.
Our own pick can only be the one after the 76ers at best, regardless of us "passing" PHX . It would take both the 76ers and us jumping into top three for us to pick better than PHX.
Both of which are very possible. Would anyone bet the over on 3 total wins for us and Philly the rest of the year?
Each, I would guess.Is that 3 wins each or 3 wins total combined for both teams? This is a serious question, not sarcasm.
Some interesting thoughts, if the Kings happen on two top 10 picks in the draft, ought they trade both up for say a top 3 pick? Or conversely trade 1 of the 2 down for 2 later top 20ish picks (in other words more players)? Or even more conversely trade both down for 4 later prospects? The converse last year is not looking very good this year. Statistics would lean towards having as many prospects as possible (qty over quality) though.
Getting the #2, #4 and #35 picks would be so unlike past draft history for the Kings. If it happens and the players are studs everything could change for the Kings.
Absolutely. I wouldn't trade our two picks for anyone but Fultz and at that, I would have to think about it. It is very possible our picks will both be in top 7. The dream crusher would be if NO gets into the top three and we lose that pick. I see no risk in a swap with Philly as Sacto and Philly may end up in roughly the same spot. I would never trade down, especially this year. With the picks we probably will have, we may get two difference makers even by accident. The way we have drafted recently, this would be like going to heaven. At my age, that sounds good.Even if they have two picks in the top 10 it could change. This is a strong draft. I just want those two picks this year; don't want to take a chance with the NO pick next year. There's no excuse for not drafting two flat out studs if they get two picks in the top 10. Add those guys to Skal and Buddy and you can at least see the glimmer of light just before sunrise.
Absolutely. I wouldn't trade our two picks for anyone but Fultz and at that, I would have to think about it. It is very possible our picks will both be in top 7. The dream crusher would be if NO gets into the top three and we lose that pick. I see no risk in a swap with Philly as Sacto and Philly may end up in roughly the same spot. I would never trade down, especially this year. With the picks we probably will have, we may get two difference makers even by accident. The way we have drafted recently, this would be like going to heaven. At my age, that sounds good.