Peja Stojakovic: King For Life?

Because Mike brings more to the table than Peja does.

Because Peja isn't as young as Mike was when we signed him to 7 years, $80 million, and he'll be making $14.5 million at 31 years old, not somewhere in the neighborhood of $13.5 to $14 million at 35 like Peja would be.

Because Peja isn't as ballsy of a player as Bibby is. For instance, Mike is 6'1", Peja is 6'10", and they averaged the same amount of rebounds a game. Mike played in 80 games, Peja in 66.

Mike is the stronger-willed of the two, the better leader, knows how to make his teammates better, shows up in the playoffs consistently, is ice in the clutch, and has more weapons than Peja in his game. His only drawback is his defense (or lack thereof).

Peja is bigger and more of a scoring threat on most nights, with fewer shots, but does Peja carry the team down the stretch on a consistent basis? He's not THE player on this team, regardless of the tools and ability that he has (which FAR surpass Mike's, which is what is so sad), and he is a superstar talent that takes a backseat when we need him to drive us all the way.

Because Mike didn't demand to be traded 'anywhere else', rather than be a King.

Because Mike shows up, makes you feel his presence while he's there, and makes you remember his presence after he leaves.

I think you get the point.

Don't get me wrong. I like Peja, but my fuse is shorter and shorter after he continually disappoints and fails to live up to our expectations of him.
 
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Yes I would say a deal closer to Bibby is more like it. He won't get over 20 mil. in his final year. He will probably get around 16-17 though. Heres another interesting point. If you don't want Peja to get a max deal, you better hope he plays terrible next season. B/c if he explodes into MVP territory again then say hello to "Kobe north"!
 
SacTownKid said:
Yes I would say a deal closer to Bibby is more like it. He won't get over 20 mil. in his final year. He will probably get around 16-17 though. Heres another interesting point. If you don't want Peja to get a max deal, you better hope he plays terrible next season. B/c if he explodes into MVP territory again then say hello to "Kobe north"!
And what indication do we get that he'll 'explode into MVP territory again'?

And by the way, was he ever there? A 25ppg shooter that gets all his points off clever setups from his teammates, a 6 rebounds per game, sometimey defender is a MVP material? I was never one that belonged to that school of thought.
 
I do not know why people keep on bring up his trade request "that ship sailed long ago" ( using VF21 phrase). That should not factor in what he does now. He said he wants to stay in Sacramento. His request should not factor in on how much he will make later on. What matters is now is his desire to stay with the Kings.
 
AleksandarN said:
I do not know why people keep on bring up his trade request "that ship sailed long ago" ( using VF21 phrase). That should not factor in what he does now. He said he wants to stay in Sacramento. His request should not factor in on how much he will make later on. What matters is now is his desire to stay with the Kings.
Okay, let's go with the other dozen or so reasons...
 

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AleksandarN said:
I do not know why people keep on bring up his trade request "that ship sailed long ago" ( using VF21 phrase). That should not factor in what he does now. He said he wants to stay in Sacramento. His request should not factor in on how much he will make later on. What matters is now is his desire to stay with the Kings.
Why do people keep bringing it up? Because it happened...you (and I strongly suspect Peja and his agent) may want for this all to just disappear but it happened and it had an effect on how a portion of the fan base viewed Peja. IF it's a factor for some people trying to make an honest assessment of how much THEY feel Peja should get for his next contract, why shouldn't they mention it? I'm not trying to convince anyone else they have to feel that way and I don't think anyone else who has mentioned it is either.
 
VF21 said:
Why do people keep bringing it up? Because it happened...you (and I strongly suspect Peja and his agent) may want for this all to just disappear but it happened and it had an effect on how a portion of the fan base viewed Peja. IF it's a factor for some people trying to make an honest assessment of how much THEY feel Peja should get for his next contract, why shouldn't they mention it? I'm not trying to convince anyone else they have to feel that way and I don't think anyone else who has mentioned it is either.
I am not saying that. All I am saying when it comes to his next contract that factor will be least of all of parties involved to be concerned about.
 
When it comes to Peja getting a deal, everyone can have their opinion but all that matters is what the Maloofs want to do. In the end they can do what they want with THEIR money. If that means bathing Peja in a tub full of $$$ twice a day then so be it.


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I view it like this. Its apparent that he stated those comments because of Chris Webber. Now that Chis is gone he doesn't feel that way. OK so what if we trade for a guy tha Peja doesn't like or draft a guy that peja doesn't feel comforatble around. Is it back on again? I like Peja as a shooter, sure i wish he would add something to his game besides that but he has to put this Baby whinning behind him and grow up and be a man. Step up a prove yourself as a player and as a person.
 
SacTownKid said:
When it comes to Peja getting a deal, everyone can have their opinion but all that matters is what the Maloofs want to do. In the end they can do what they want with THEIR money. If that means bathing Peja in a tub full of $$$ twice a day then so be it.


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They'd have to fire Geoff Petrie first. I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.
 
Entity said:
I view it like this. Its apparent that he stated those comments because of Chris Webber. Now that Chis is gone he doesn't feel that way. OK so what if we trade for a guy tha Peja doesn't like or draft a guy that peja doesn't feel comforatble around. Is it back on again? I like Peja as a shooter, sure i wish he would add something to his game besides that but he has to put this Baby whinning behind him and grow up and be a man. Step up a prove yourself as a player and as a person.
Exactly. And that's why you consider ridiculous trade demands made to the team that took a chance on you, worked you through rehab and made you the player you've become, when you you're even considering paying him max money. What if things don't go his way down the line, he isn't living up to the amount of money that we paid him, and we can't do anything to get out from under his albatross contract?

Whether it's water under the bridge or not, it matters that he acted the way he did last season. It's very much relevant when you think about it.
 

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Entity and Superman - Thank you both. You've said pretty succinctly what I think some of us are still concerned about. And I suspect we may all be talking about this until Peja either signs a new deal with us or is traded elsewhere. He has now fully taken Webber's place on the team in one respect - he is the player you get fans feeling the strongest emotions about on both sides of the issue.
 
Superman said:
Exactly. And that's why you consider ridiculous trade demands made to the team that took a chance on you, worked you through rehab and made you the player you've become, when you you're even considering paying him max money. What if things don't go his way down the line, he isn't living up to the amount of money that we paid him, and we can't do anything to get out from under his albatross contract?

Whether it's water under the bridge or not, it matters that he acted the way he did last season. It's very much relevant when you think about it.
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Obviousily their was a chemistry problem on the team last year. His trade request was the result of that. What he did was wrong in that he aired it public. That was the problem is that we had a team that would air thier problems in public instead of dealing with it in the locker room. But I doubt the team views Pedja as a trouble maker enough that it would effect signing a new contract.
 
VF21 said:
Entity and Superman - Thank you both. You've said pretty succinctly what I think some of us are still concerned about. And I suspect we may all be talking about this until Peja either signs a new deal with us or is traded elsewhere. He has now fully taken Webber's place on the team in one respect - he is the player you get fans feeling the strongest emotions about on both sides of the issue.
That is what I like about this board, team and fans is that no matter what we are passionate about our team.
 

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AleksandarN said:
That is what I like about this board, team and fans is that no matter what we are passionate about our team.
Yep. And we manage, for the most part, to talk, discuss, argue, etc. while still maintaining respect for each other.

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piksi said:
just an opinion
Well, of course it's just his opinion. Isn't that pretty much understood?
 
Everytime I read one of these "reports" from Serbia, i feel like some pissant liberal forced to listen to some harangue by Karl Rove. And I'm tired of all the peja love. If the Kings can't sign this guy to a reasonable contract this year, then I say dump him. Move 'em to someplace like Chicago, and maybe get Chandler. I like that Nocioni guy too.
 
Entity said:
I view it like this. Its apparent that he stated those comments because of Chris Webber. Now that Chis is gone he doesn't feel that way. OK so what if we trade for a guy tha Peja doesn't like or draft a guy that peja doesn't feel comforatble around. Is it back on again? I like Peja as a shooter, sure i wish he would add something to his game besides that but he has to put this Baby whinning behind him and grow up and be a man. Step up a prove yourself as a player and as a person.
Questioning Peja as a person is rich coming from someone who would sell the farm for a player of very questionable character.

Sure question his game, question his desire, question his willingness to put the body on the line when its his turn but for the life of me I cannot see how anyone can question Peja as a person.
 
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Oh, how ironic.

You want to prevent someone from attacking the character of your favorite player so you choose to attack the character of another player?

Entity made a valid comment. Peja asked for a trade and most people feel it was due, at least in part, to his unhappiness with Chris Webber. Now, Webber is gone and everything is fine. Entity asked a valid question, IMHO. WHAT IF another player comes along that Peja is unhappy with? Will he resort to the same type of attitude?

You may disagree with the question but I don't think you can deny that it's a valid concern. Perhaps not a major concern. It is not questioning Peja as a person. Far from it. It is questioning Peja and his dedication as an employee of the Sacramento Kings.
 

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nebojsa, the original author of the article that started this thread, and I have exchanged several emails. He did, in fact, have a conversation with Joe Maloof and I owe him an apology.

nebojsa - I'm sorry.

You're welcome around here any time!

Napred Kraljevi!!!
 
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piksi

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Superman said:
An opinion supported by facts, which I outlined in the same post. I noticed that you didn't comment on any of those. I'd love to hear your thoughts about the rest of that post.

I did not want to comment them because I tried to avoid Mike Bibby in the thread which is about Pedja.

Bibby is neither better not more valuable player for the Kings. Sacramento Kings will NEVER win anything as long as it's guards play defense as awful as they do at the moment. Let's face it, all of 4 semi finalists ( Spurs, Pistons, Suns and Heat) have guards that are unguardable by Bibby standards. All of them have also other "stars" which makes double teaming of the guards impossible. Basically a classical checkmate.
Additionally, we will see how good Mike is next season with no Webber.
 
I think that Pedja will not get the maximum as a King. And i als think that will be to huge for him, but 75mio for 6 years will be OK I thin. And I am sure that he will play the next season like he does in 2003-04.
 

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Montenegros-Finest said:
I think that Pedja will not get the maximum as a King. And i als think that will be to huge for him, but 75mio for 6 years will be OK I thin. And I am sure that he will play the next season like he does in 2003-04.
I certainly hope you are right on on all counts.

BTW - welcome to KingsFans.com!!
 
piksi said:
I did not want to comment them because I tried to avoid Mike Bibby in the thread which is about Pedja.

Bibby is neither better not more valuable player for the Kings. Sacramento Kings will NEVER win anything as long as it's guards play defense as awful as they do at the moment. Let's face it, all of 4 semi finalists ( Spurs, Pistons, Suns and Heat) have guards that are unguardable by Bibby standards. All of them have also other "stars" which makes double teaming of the guards impossible. Basically a classical checkmate.
Additionally, we will see how good Mike is next season with no Webber.
Actually, if I remember correctly Bibby went on a tear when Webber got traded, his assists numbers, points, reboundsall went up. Save for the fact that towards end of the season, he didn't have any legs left, I think he did quite an admirable job. It's Peja who seems to be out of sorts without Vlade Daddy by his side.
 

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KingKong said:
Actually, if I remember correctly Bibby went on a tear when Webber got traded, his assists numbers, points, reboundsall went up. Save for the fact that towards end of the season, he didn't have any legs left, I think he did quite an admirable job. It's Peja who seems to be out of sorts without Vlade Daddy by his side.
No actually he went o the big tear starting at the end of January when Webber was still there, and lasting all the way through the first few days of March, a couple of games after Webb was traded. But it was only a couple of games (Dallas, Washington as I recall). Didn't even make it through the road trip before it all came crashing down in that Charlotte game and was a struggle after that. Not a surprise either -- Bibby is a pick and roll two man game PG. He's also not the most creative PG in the league, nor the quickest, so it was really to his advantage to have Webb run the offense a lot while he played off the ball and took advantage of his superior shooting ability. Its why Brad is so critical to his sucess now and I'd be careful about trading the big oaf. Not so much because I am sold that Brad is the man, but because his trade would diminish Mike as well as losing a good center.