Pau

[Kingsfan23]

I'm not as enamored.. His numbers have been dropping precipitously, we need interior d with Big Cuz, we are a rebuilding team, and he has just been a lightning rod on Laker fanboards over the last year or two for his supposed deterioration and supposed lack of heart.

 

[Kingster]

No on Pau. He's definitely on the downside and is not complementary with what up to now has been a less than mediocre defensive center. We need a defensive force, not an offensive player on the downside. When Pau was with a mediocre team in Memphis he was mediocre; he didn't raise the level of the team. I would expect nothing differently from him in Sacto. It would be a waste of cap space.

 

[Chupacabra]

I would love to have Pau Gasol. He's one of the most talented bigs we've ever seen and I do believe he's got several good years left in the tank, if he's in the right situation to make full use of his unique skills.

Great thing with him too, is you get true Center height/length, in a guy that plays with forward skills. Not necessarily a shot blocker, but none the less a very long pressence in the paint who can easily guard centers. Defensive versatility with plenty of options at both 4 & 5 matchups, is highly valuable.

I think he's one of the most valuable players in the league

Is this sarcasm?

I would only consider this idea if it meant I could trade away Hayes, landry and LMAM. I want a do over of the offseason.

 

[pshn80]

Intriguing thought but cost is way too much. Many on here won't agree but any way you did this it would cost too much in players off our roster.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Is this sarcasm?

I would only consider this idea if it meant I could trade away Hayes, landry and LMAM. I want a do over of the offseason.

No sarcasm. I've held the opinion that he is one of the most valuable players in the league for many years, for what he brings to a team concept. He still is

 

[ninjabiscuit]

I'm not as enamored.. His numbers have been dropping precipitously, we need interior d with Big Cuz, we are a rebuilding team, and he has just been a lightning rod on Laker fanboards over the last year or two for his supposed deterioration and supposed lack of heart.

Yeah, but you can't put too much stock into the people on those fan boards...some of those people are pretty far out there, you know?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'm not as enamored.. His numbers have been dropping precipitously, we need interior d with Big Cuz, we are a rebuilding team, and he has just been a lightning rod on Laker fanboards over the last year or two for his supposed deterioration and supposed lack of heart.

Remember what many thought of Vlade Divac, before he got in great situation for skillset in Sac?

 

[bajaden]

Unfortuantely, we don't have the contracts to make it work.

I imagine the Lakers would at the very least want IT-JT and Salmons. IT-JT being the talent they like and Salmons being an ender. That's roughly 14.5 mil. Jimmer contract doesn't get us there. Hayes would leave us with 3 bigs on the roster. So You'd have to throw in Thornton into the deal. That would allow us to get some of the Lakers junk back.

That said, would you want to give 3 very good assets away, destroy our depth, for a guy who almost certainly would not resign with us? And would we even want him to resign with us?

I understand the idea of us essentially getting a reset on our cap. But I think you could ship IT, JT, Thornton out individually and actually get assets we can use in the future, like draft pic

If you applying logic to this deal, why are the Lakers willing to make the deal. Its not to acquire enders! They already have one named Gasol. So it has to be to get a return on Gasol. Meaning they would want some talent back that could help the Lakers in the future. If I'm the Lakers, one thing I would have at the top of my list is something we don't have, and personally I wouldn't give up as just a throw in, and thats a first round pick in next years draft. Our first round pick is still in limbo depending on where we finish, making it untradable. Of course you could always do a draft day deal by shipping out the player you draft, but that doesn't help right now.

So If I'm the Lakers I would want Thornton, IT, and either JT or PPat, and then we would have to throw in Salmons to make up the difference in numbers. I would be very leery of giving up both JT and PPat. We would have little or no depth in our frontcourt. Frankly, I wouldn't be in favor of this deal. I like Gasol, but he already has shaky knee's, and he's just one slip away from being damaged goods. I can't see gutting the team to aquire him, and remember, he becomes an unrestricted freeagent at years end. Which as I said, is fine if your looking to clear cap space, but that's an expensive way to do it.

 

[bajaden]

Unfortuantely, we don't have the contracts to make it work.

I imagine the Lakers would at the very least want IT-JT and Salmons. IT-JT being the talent they like and Salmons being an ender. That's roughly 14.5 mil. Jimmer contract doesn't get us there. Hayes would leave us with 3 bigs on the roster. So You'd have to throw in Thornton into the deal. That would allow us to get some of the Lakers junk back.

That said, would you want to give 3 very good assets away, destroy our depth, for a guy who almost certainly would not resign with us? And would we even want him to resign with us?

I understand the idea of us essentially getting a reset on our cap. But I think you could ship IT, JT, Thornton out individually and actually get assets we can use in the future, like draft pic

If you applying logic to this deal, why are the Lakers willing to make the deal. Its not to acquire enders! They already have one named Gasol. So it has to be to get a return on Gasol. Meaning they would want some talent back that could help the Lakers in the future. If I'm the Lakers, one thing I would have at the top of my list is something we don't have, and personally I wouldn't give up as just a throw in, and thats a first round pick in next years draft. Our first round pick is still in limbo depending on where we finish, making it untradable. Of course you could always do a draft day deal by shipping out the player you draft, but that doesn't help right now.

So If I'm the Lakers I would want Thornton, IT, and either JT or PPat, and then we would have to throw in Salmons to make up the difference in numbers. I would be very leery of giving up both JT and PPat. We would have little or no depth in our frontcourt. Frankly, I wouldn't be in favor of this deal. I like Gasol, but he already has shaky knee's, and he's just one slip away from being damaged goods. I can't see gutting the team to aquire him, and remember, he becomes an unrestricted freeagent at years end. Which as I said, is fine if your looking to clear cap space, but that's an expensive way to do it.

 

[The_Jamal]

If you applying logic to this deal, why are the Lakers willing to make the deal. Its not to acquire enders! They already have one named Gasol. So it has to be to get a return on Gasol. Meaning they would want some talent back that could help the Lakers in the future. If I'm the Lakers, one thing I would have at the top of my list is something we don't have, and personally I wouldn't give up as just a throw in, and thats a first round pick in next years draft. Our first round pick is still in limbo depending on where we finish, making it untradable. Of course you could always do a draft day deal by shipping out the player you draft, but that doesn't help right now.

So If I'm the Lakers I would want Thornton, IT, and either JT or PPat, and then we would have to throw in Salmons to make up the difference in numbers. I would be very leery of giving up both JT and PPat. We would have little or no depth in our frontcourt. Frankly, I wouldn't be in favor of this deal. I like Gasol, but he already has shaky knee's, and he's just one slip away from being damaged goods. I can't see gutting the team to aquire him, and remember, he becomes an unrestricted freeagent at years end. Which as I said, is fine if your looking to clear cap space, but that's an expensive way to do it.

Uh right. Which is why my proposed deal was pretty much the same as yours IT, JT, Salmons, Thornton for Pau+Laker junk. That's what it would take, but as it's been said, I don't think it's worth it

 

[Kingsfan23]

Thornton is still our starting shooting guard heading into this season, I don't see how he's totally expendable. I'm both an IT and JT fan, really am not down with the deals I'm seeing for Pau.

 

[pshn80]

Thornton is still our starting shooting guard heading into this season, I don't see how he's totally expendable. I'm both an IT and JT fan, really am not down with the deals I'm seeing for Pau.

Not "totally expendable" but in my book expendable because starting the better of McLemore or Salmons would not hurt our chances. The non-starter or F Redette or Lockett could back up. That leads me to be comfortable with using Thornton in a trade though not for Pau.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I'd do most of these proposed deals for Gasol, even if he bolts in free agency. This team still needs a reset, and most of these scenarios would leave us with massive capspace this offseason allowing us to build the team we need to build, with free agents that fit our system and complement Cousins.

Truthfully, I'd give them any asset for Gasol outside of Couins, McLemore, and our draft picks because those guys are the future here.

For the folks worried about depth this year ... why? I don't want to say this season doesn't matter, because it does - but not having the ideal 4th and 5th big does not out way the potential gain of Gasol, who would be our second best player + the fact that we would be dumping long term contracts. Even if we theoretically give up Patterson, Thompson, and Hayes - We'd still have Landry when he comes back, and I doubt the Lakers would take all 3 bigs.

Jason Collins is out there for the veteran minimum if your looking to replace what Chuck Hayes gives us. Cole Aldrich is no lock to make the Knicks. Chris Wilcox, Diop, Tyrus Thomas, Drew Gooden, Lou Amundson, etc.

This is one example of the type of deal we NEED to make. We need to lose our depth before those guys completely lose their value. It's already happening to Thornton, and the same will happen to Thompson if he loses his starter role (and starter minutes) to Patterson, just like Thomas value will go down if he loses the starting job to Vasquez.

 

[jalfa]

Jason Collins is out there for the veteran minimum if your looking to replace what Chuck Hayes gives us. Cole Aldrich is no lock to make the Knicks. Chris Wilcox, Diop, Tyrus Thomas, Drew Gooden, Lou Amundson, etc.

if N'Diaye flames out, Jason Collins is actually someone I wouldn't mind one bit. tough role player guy, noted for his great work ethic and has been mentioned as a good mentor in previous stops. the publicity that'd come with signing him might be a bit of a distraction, but whatever, it'd be over after two weeks tops anyway and it would be good press, too. I might be biased, being very sympathetic to his cause, though.