Our FO/Ownership Has Let The Fans Down

[rainmaker]

I have my disagreements with rainmaker and it's possible that he's including me in his statement regarding fans who think the FO does no wrong.

With that said, all during the lockout he was very vocal about what he was hoping to see from the FO in terms in re-shaping the roster.

Things have not gone well at all, when you look at what we have now, compared to hypothetical scenarios that were bandied around prior to free-agency.

So he's really frustrated, and I can completely understand.
I wanted this to be the off-season where we basically 'finalized' our roster. Where we could sit back and say, "This is the core that we are going to be building around. We might tinker around a little bit, but by and large, this is the group we want to compete with."

We lost Dalembert, who looks to have been the only shot (from an outsider's perspective) to get that elite rebounding/shotblocking big, and I now think that he never was an option, which is dis-heartening.

Perhaps we might be able to get Hayes again, which could help somewhat.

But by and large, even with Hayes, I don't think you can look at the roster and say, "It's finished."

And that's frustrating for me, and I can imagine frustrating for rainmaker.

So when I think about all the conversations prior to free-agency, and then look at what was accomplished, I can see the frustration, and I'm more than willing to give him a pass.

Who knows, perhaps we get Hayes and it works out a lot better than we think.
I'm willing to let things play out for a bit before getting too down on things.

Thank you Uncia.

We might not agree on our opinions, but at the least, you know how I feel and why, as we've discussed yesterday, and prior. I don't mind the disagreements at all. That's what a forum is for. I might not agree with everything you say, but I respect it.

What I won't tolerate however, is people launching personal attacks at me, and questioning what type of a fan I am, because they don't agree with my opinion. I've stated my opinion, and what I'd do, more than once in the last two days. Anyone can disagree with that. But telling me I'm not acting like a Kings fans should, and to find another team to cheer for? Well, that's a different discussion that was opened up, which I will gladly defend.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I said a whole lot more than that. It's in a recent post from yesterday.

I'm wasting your time? What kind of logic is that, when either a) you still haven't read what I wrote, or b) your reading comprehension sucks, which leads me to believe you're doing nothing but wasting my time. It's all there, my explained point of view, if you're clever enough to find it.

I know exactly what I wrote, and could copy and paste it in a minute, but that's not my job. If you think that is what I said, you have do damn clue what you're talking about.

F off with your Laker crap.

Well I guess we should just hand the GM reigns over to you since our FO is so incompetent. The only big move that was made this year was <gasp> CP3 to the Clipps which they had to give up a LOT to do. And you want GP to apologize to the fans for what again? Trying to improve the team by bringing in Hickson and (hopefully) Chuck Hayes and Salmons and Thornton (yes, he brought in Thornton at the trade deadline and resigned him without screwing around about it and that move should be included as it greatly helped the team) and not getting a $15million a year big man? Really? You're being ludicrous.

You act like they have been sitting on their hands doing nothing and they haven't. Marcus Thornton wasn't a 'big splash' move, but it has won us a lot of games and was a hindsight 20/20 smart *** move. I have been high on JJ since he came in and if his second game in a Kings uni was any indication, he's gonna be one helluva useful player. From reports, before his injury Salmons was looking damn good in practice. Fredette/Honeycutt/Thomas all look like solid draft picks.

There have been a lot of moves made by the FO in less than a year that have made this team solid, and given them the ability to compete night in and out. There is a lot of talent on this squad, there is a lot of potential. Young talent. Inexpensive and talented. The recipe of a small market team rebuild. Not Khan style, Petrie style.

 

[Kingsguy881]

OR.....Petrie could go the Isaiah Thomas route and spend a helluva lot of money on garbage talent like you want him to....

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh yeah, Petrie's back suckas!!!

I think Petrie did indeed play both the Rockets and Daly!

mr_jasonjones Jason Jones



Petrie had been in touch with Hayes over the last few days, said "we're really engaged" in talks to re-sign him.


Few days huh? Well, I think we know what really went down with Daly! Took the biggest stumbling block in re-signing Chuck off the market!

 

[Superman]

No I'm not. I have been responded to more than once in the past couple days, or posts implied directly towards me, stating because of my opinions, I should find a new team to root for. One poster said go root for the Lakers.

So no, I wasn't boxing people in with their opinions, until I was told because of my opinion, I should find a new time. That's a load of crap. My fandom has never wavered, yet presently I do find plenty to criticize. If people want to disagree with me, as some have, point by point, I'm happy to discuss, as I have. Disagree with me as much as you like. I don't mind. But when you tell me, not you personally, but when others tell me I'm no longer a good fan because of "whining", and my opinions on the FO, they'll get that response.

Fair enough.

 

[swisshh]

Can I just say something here?

That's complete and utter bull****.

Carry on.

It's not BS. There's plenty of what he describes here and it feels like it gets moderator support which strengthens it.

Listen, if fans don't demand things then organizations will sit back and lose and not spend money, because winning costs money. If a fanbase will sit back and just accept awfulthen that is what you'll get. As great as it was that the fanbase kept selling out for bad teams all those years, it also helped allow bad teams to be the status quo. I was a part of that fanbase and I kept telling myself these scrums would somehow magically become something, but then I grew up. I'm no longer a kid that thinks my hope and prayers will make Walt Williams play defense or let Travis Mays have any game to speak of at all.

Fans should be angry. And no, the season hasn't started, but the roster is a mess and the team has looked awful. Even in their win, they looked worse than the Warriors and I don't think the Warriors are a playoff team. You aren't going to win in the league if you try to smallball but have no guard to run your smallball and limit mistakes, push the ball and win on the fastbreak. It's just another year of a half-assed cake.

 

[bajaden]

In a market like this, in a league like this, sometimes you do what you gotta do. I don't think any of those teams will regret those contracts if it helps to create a consistently winning and playoff culture for those franchises. Why did Jordan, Chandler and Nene get those contracts?

First because there are very few big men in this league who are currently difference makers. Who can affect BOTH sides of the ball in a positive way.

Second, windows to actually win a NBA Title stay open very shortly in this league. If you're the Clippers, you have CP3, you have Blake - go out and make sure you keep Jordan. Make your run now. You have the pieces, make CP3 happy and do your all to win NOW, even if it means overpay. The Knicks have Melo and Amare. What's their missing piece? A defensive-minded center who just pushed the Mavs to winning their first title? You BETTER go out and get him and if necessary, overpay. Who gives a rip what happens over the course of the contract if it actually lands NY a title?

When will overpaying ever NOT be necessary in the NBA? We already know that NO ONE wants to come play for Sac. We've seen it for years. That's never going to change unless we spend. Yes yes I know we offered the most for Dally and that's good. But why not spend our money and go get someone like a Gasol. Break the bank for a big man who can change the culture of your team over the next 1/2 decade and see what happens! Would we have had enough? Who knows? But the point is take the gambles and the risks. Because right now I have this awful feeling that next summer we're going to be having this exact same discussion.

Windows are small in the NBA and if we're not careful, we're going to look back and realize that we expected Reke and DMC to develop and succeed with John Salmons and JJ Hickson.

Anyway you cut it, they signed for a lot of money. We'll see if they earn it or not. I would like to point out, that when the Warriors made their bid on Jordan, Jerry West, who I believe is still respected as a good judge of talent by even the naysayers on this fourm, said he had serious reservations about the amount of money, and length of contract the Warriors were offering. He said the although Jordan showed great potential, he really hadn't accomplished much to deserve that kind of money. He didn't totally disagree with making the offer, but thought it was risky. For those unaware, West is working as an adviser to the Warriors front office.

I suspose the Kings could have made an offer of like kind with the same result, it being matched by the Clippers. Maybe if for no other reason than to quiet the critics out there. I doubt that Petrie ever considered it though. He seemed intent on bringing in someone that better fit the system he had in mind, and also had the experience to mentor Cousins. Now you can disagree with his philosophy, but it appears to me that Hayes wasn't a default choice, but he was indeed the player Petrie wanted. He certainly wasn't the player I had in mind, but then, I'm not the GM. Vlade wasn't the player I had in mind either, but that worked out OK.

I would have loved to have Chandler or Nene, but they both would have cost a lot, and I have serious doubts that any amount of money we could have offered would have attracted them. Especially after seeing what Chandler got. So here's my question. If your the GM, and lets be honest here, as GM you have inside information that we as fans don't have. You can talk to the agents and find out who your bidding against, and where the bidding starts. So in Chandler's case, even that you know your chances of landing him are slim and none, do you make a bid anyway just to show your fans your trying?

I'll admit, that personality wise, I wish we had a GM somewhere between Kahn and Petrie. With Petrie, you get little or no information, which of course leave it open to all kinds of speculation, both good and bad. With Kahn, you know every damm thing he does, trys to do, and thinks. As a result, he's percieved by some as an idiot at worse, and a loose canon at best. Of course overlooked is the fact that he has amassed some pretty good talent. Doesn't hurt to be lucky.

 

[bajaden]

Some on here simply don't criticize anything in our organization, or are uncomfortable doing so, because apparently it's not how a fan should behave, and if we criticize, we mind as well go root for another team, since a true Kings fan only see's good in the decisions his team makes.

All hail Petrie. All hail the Maloofs. Any decision they make shall not be criticized.

This post seems to be pointed at me, and if not, then I'm sorry. But let me be clear about what I said. I was not referring to you. Yes, your critical at times, but your also praise at times. In other words, I believe you to be fair, even if I don't always agree with you. There are others however, that seldom, if ever, say anything good about anything that has to do with the Kings. Those are the posters I'm referring to. I don't like generalizations, and I don't like the sky is falling posts. There's nothing wrong with being critical of a player, a trade, or a draft pick. But can we please not make it the end of the world.

If Hayes is resigned and the Kings go on a winning streak, and even possibly make the playoffs, I guarantee those same people will find something to ***** about. I don't like negative people, and I have no friends that are negative. And thats by choice. And don't confuse negative with being critical at times. One is honest, and the other comes from emotion. Its easy to say I wanted this or that player, and reality be dammed, if Petrie was a good general manager, he would have gotten it done. Really! Does a GM come with a magic wand? Or should he hire a couple of guys with baseball bats and have them visit that player to straighten him out.

So far, lets look at where the big freeagents signed. Chandler, New York. Nene, resigned with his own team. Paul went to LA, and Jordan resigned with LA. Melo went to, Yep, New York. Lebron and Bosh went to Miami. Stoudemire went to, wow, another surprise, New York. I'm still looking for that small market team that landed one of the big freeagents. But hey, it doesn't matter. If Petrie was any good, he would have found a way. Right!

 

[sdballer]

Oh yeah, Petrie's back suckas!!!

I think Petrie did indeed play both the Rockets and Daly!

mr_jasonjones Jason Jones



Petrie had been in touch with Hayes over the last few days, said "we're really engaged" in talks to re-sign him.


Few days huh? Well, I think we know what really went down with Daly! Took the biggest stumbling block in re-signing Chuck off the market!

How do you figure this means petries back. Becuase we paid more than originally agreed to after voiding someones deal

 

[SacTownKid]

How do you figure this means petries back. Becuase we paid more than originally agreed to after voiding someones deal

NO, because I think it's pretty clear that he may very well have been the one "playing" Houston and Daly the whole time. Even Houston reached out to Hayes before they signed Daly. If Sac hadn't re-entered the picture on Daly they would most certainly would have waited.

 

[KingsCitizen]

NO, because I think it's pretty clear that he may very well have been the one "playing" Houston and Daly the whole time. Even Houston reached out to Hayes before they signed Daly. If Sac hadn't re-entered the picture on Daly they would most certainly would have waited.

Accidental or not. This drama showed the true color of Dalembert that in my observation made several posters here jump off the Dally wagon and to the Chuckwagon.

 

[Glenn]

I want to make it absolutely clear that I am of the same opinion as rainmaker. His original post expressed my opinions. How the team turns out is not the issue that is disturbing. It is the promise or implied promise that finally the bank books would be open and they would get a great free agent and certainly resign their own free agents. They failed on both fronts whether that is good or bad. It is the deception that angers me.

I have followed the team since 1985 and have seen a lot of mediocre teams. I can survive another. I thought we had done all the right things in the draft and to complete the plan, need one super FA signing to add to what we have.

They didn't promise to try. I am tired of trying. For example, will people be unhappy if the arena is not built or simply content that we all tried?

I'm not up to debating this as it is a personal opinion. I just didn't want people to think rainmaker was on an island alone.

 

[mac]

This post seems to be pointed at me, and if not, then I'm sorry. But let me be clear about what I said. I was not referring to you. Yes, your critical at times, but your also praise at times. In other words, I believe you to be fair, even if I don't always agree with you. There are others however, that seldom, if ever, say anything good about anything that has to do with the Kings. Those are the posters I'm referring to. I don't like generalizations, and I don't like the sky is falling posts. There's nothing wrong with being critical of a player, a trade, or a draft pick. But can we please not make it the end of the world.

If Hayes is resigned and the Kings go on a winning streak, and even possibly make the playoffs, I guarantee those same people will find something to ***** about. I don't like negative people, and I have no friends that are negative. And thats by choice. And don't confuse negative with being critical at times. One is honest, and the other comes from emotion. Its easy to say I wanted this or that player, and reality be dammed, if Petrie was a good general manager, he would have gotten it done. Really! Does a GM come with a magic wand? Or should he hire a couple of guys with baseball bats and have them visit that player to straighten him out.

So far, lets look at where the big freeagents signed. Chandler, New York. Nene, resigned with his own team. Paul went to LA, and Jordan resigned with LA. Melo went to, Yep, New York. Lebron and Bosh went to Miami. Stoudemire went to, wow, another surprise, New York. I'm still looking for that small market team that landed one of the big freeagents. But hey, it doesn't matter. If Petrie was any good, he would have found a way. Right!

I'm with you here. Certain posters don't ever have anything good to say. I know for a fact that Rainmaker is pretty objective, and prior to this FA period I would even place him amongst the more positive members of the forum. What annoys me are irritating posters who's sole intentions seem to be to criticize (and not in a constructive manner) the players on the team, the FO, the owners etc. It annoys me even more that most of these criticisms are complete BS and demonstrate a clear lack of understanding of basketball and the NBA.

Several posters have brought up the issue of overpaying for a key "piece of the puzzle". I've said many times that we are NOT in the position to make a serious run for the next year at very least. In my opinion it's really not a good decision to overpay now when we're still going to be mediocre at best for a while. I'm not a hardcore offseason/personnel moves tracker, so I don't know what big or useful high quality FAs will be available for us a few years down the road, but I do think that it's best to overpay when you've actually got that system and clear direction/plan in place that many fans wish we had now. I don't think many fans would be happy even if we got Dalembert but trotted out a small 3 guard line up with Dalembert and Cousins.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I want to make it absolutely clear that I am of the same opinion as rainmaker. His original post expressed my opinions. How the team turns out is not the issue that is disturbing. It is the promise or implied promise that finally the bank books would be open and they would get a great free agent and certainly resign their own free agents. They failed on both fronts whether that is good or bad. It is the deception that angers me.

I have followed the team since 1985 and have seen a lot of mediocre teams. I can survive another. I thought we had done all the right things in the draft and to complete the plan, need one super FA signing to add to what we have.

They didn't promise to try. I am tired of trying. For example, will people be unhappy if the arena is not built or simply content that we all tried?

I'm not up to debating this as it is a personal opinion. I just didn't want people to think rainmaker was on an island alone.

It's not deception when they actually tried to do what they said they were going to do. If you took them saying they were going to get a great free agent as some sort of guarantee, that was naive on your part. You should have known that there are no such guarantees in signing free agents. All any team can do is make offers, no one can guarantee they'll be accepted. We know for a fact that they made competitive offers to Kerilenko, Dalembert, and Crawford. Not to mention re-signing Thornton and picking up Hayes. If you had your heart set on Gasol or Nene and are disappointed, that's understandable, but you weren't deceived, you just had unrealistic expectations.

 

[Glenn]

It's not deception when they actually tried to do what they said they were going to do. If you took them saying they were going to get a great free agent as some sort of guarantee, that was naive on your part. You should have known that there are no such guarantees in signing free agents. All any team can do is make offers, no one can guarantee they'll be accepted. We know for a fact that they made competitive offers to Kerilenko, Dalembert, and Crawford. Not to mention re-signing Thornton and picking up Hayes. If you had your heart set of Gasol or Nene and are disappointed, that's understandable, but you weren't deceived, you just had unrealistic expectations.

You are very dependable in your attitude. IT'S AN OPINION. Just like you told me.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

You are very dependable in your attitude. IT'S AN OPINION. Just like you told me.

It's your opinion that they didn't do enough in free agency, and that's fine, i respect that. I'm just pointing out that any claims of deception are off base.

I can't believe I'm defending the Maloofs here, lol. I wouldn’t trust a Maloof as far as I could throw one, but in this particular matter, they weren’t deceptive.

 

[kingsboi]

While I must say that our FO is pretty average, it's really up to how our youth develops in order to make any further judgement. Oklahoma City's FO wasn't considered legit until Durant and Westbrook came into their own. It helps getting three straight years picks 2, 4 and 3 so with that being said, I am looking forward to seeing how Reke, Cuz and Marcus play as a trio in a 66 game season.

 

[SacTownKid]

Agreed. And don't underrate Chuck Hayes and how important to this team he could be offensively. I didn't really know he was as good a passer as he is until we lost him. He averaged 4 apg to 1.5 turnover towards the end of last year when Adelman ran the offense through him. That's Brad Miller level right there. Add in the defense and toughness and oh yeah, thank goodness he's alright because he's going to help big time if used properly.

 

[Glenn]

It's your opinion that they didn't do enough in free agency, and that's fine, i respect that. I'm just pointing out that any claims of deception are off base.

I can't believe I'm defending the Maloofs here, lol. I wouldn’t trust a Maloof as far as I could throw one, but in this particular matter, they weren’t deceptive.

It is getting so that you argue against certain people and it makes no difference what the issue is.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

It is getting so that you argue against certain people and it makes no difference what the issue is.

Rather, I argue against issues and it makes no difference who the person is.

 

[Telemachus]

Rather, I argue against issues and it makes no difference who the person is.

Hey! I have a bone to pick with you about that. Oh wait.....nevermind.

 

[Superman]

It's not BS. There's plenty of what he describes here and it feels like it gets moderator support which strengthens it.

Listen, if fans don't demand things then organizations will sit back and lose and not spend money, because winning costs money. If a fanbase will sit back and just accept awfulthen that is what you'll get. As great as it was that the fanbase kept selling out for bad teams all those years, it also helped allow bad teams to be the status quo. I was a part of that fanbase and I kept telling myself these scrums would somehow magically become something, but then I grew up. I'm no longer a kid that thinks my hope and prayers will make Walt Williams play defense or let Travis Mays have any game to speak of at all.

Fans should be angry. And no, the season hasn't started, but the roster is a mess and the team has looked awful. Even in their win, they looked worse than the Warriors and I don't think the Warriors are a playoff team. You aren't going to win in the league if you try to smallball but have no guard to run your smallball and limit mistakes, push the ball and win on the fastbreak. It's just another year of a half-assed cake.

I don't see how your post is related to my post.

I responded to Rainmaker because I felt the thought was that anyone who doesn't agree that the front office blew it because we didn't sign one of the $40-70 million big men, and because we didn't resign Daly, then you must just be a front office co-signer, no matter what, and you must think there's never any reason to be critical of the team, and it's being a bad fan if you are. I don't think that's fair.

Since it appears that's not quite what Rainmaker was saying, perhaps the comment was much more specific in its intent than I thought, then maybe my comment was a little too broad. But still, understand that I don't believe that being critical of the front office is bad fanship. I just don't think the front office blew it this offseason. I'm glad they didn't splurge on one of the guys that were available. Daly evidently didn't want to be here. I get it.

I'm more critical of the front office for not showcasing Daly before the trade deadline last year, because I didn't expect us to be able to re-sign him (admittedly, that's because I thought he was going to be commanding a $50 million contract, which I was wrong about). I've been critical of the front office on several occasions before. I just didn't think the criticism that this thread starting with was fair or legitimate. And so, to imply that anyone who disagrees with that criticism is a myopic homer is nonsense. If that's not what Rainmaker was saying, then point taken.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I want to make it absolutely clear that I am of the same opinion as rainmaker. His original post expressed my opinions. How the team turns out is not the issue that is disturbing. It is the promise or implied promise that finally the bank books would be open and they would get a great free agent and certainly resign their own free agents. They failed on both fronts whether that is good or bad. It is the deception that angers me.

I have followed the team since 1985 and have seen a lot of mediocre teams. I can survive another. I thought we had done all the right things in the draft and to complete the plan, need one super FA signing to add to what we have.

They didn't promise to try. I am tired of trying. For example, will people be unhappy if the arena is not built or simply content that we all tried?

I'm not up to debating this as it is a personal opinion. I just didn't want people to think rainmaker was on an island alone.

Yeah but it is how rainmaker went about it. His whole post was painful to read, I tell my own son to get the whine out of his voice when he gets like that. And after seeing the payout of the 'marquee' (and this was a pee POOR FA class so I question why it would get anybody's hopes up) free agents I find it hard to fathom anybody questioning why we didn't OVERpay to bring one of them in.

 

[bajaden]

It's your opinion that they didn't do enough in free agency, and that's fine, i respect that. I'm just pointing out that any claims of deception are off base.

I can't believe I'm defending the Maloofs here, lol. I wouldn’t trust a Maloof as far as I could throw one, but in this particular matter, they weren’t deceptive.

I'd like to point out that J. Jones said the Kings tried to get into the Chris Paul sweepstakes as well, but were told that sacramento wouldn't be considered by Paul. There's not really much you can do in that instance.

 

[bajaden]

Rather, I argue against issues and it makes no difference who the person is.

Is this a chicken and egg thing? I'm still trying to figure out why the chicken crossed the road!

 

[rainmaker]

Well I guess we should just hand the GM reigns over to you since our FO is so incompetent. The only big move that was made this year was <gasp> CP3 to the Clipps which they had to give up a LOT to do. And you want GP to apologize to the fans for what again? Trying to improve the team by bringing in Hickson and (hopefully) Chuck Hayes and Salmons and Thornton (yes, he brought in Thornton at the trade deadline and resigned him without screwing around about it and that move should be included as it greatly helped the team) and not getting a $15million a year big man? Really? You're being ludicrous.

You act like they have been sitting on their hands doing nothing and they haven't. Marcus Thornton wasn't a 'big splash' move, but it has won us a lot of games and was a hindsight 20/20 smart *** move. I have been high on JJ since he came in and if his second game in a Kings uni was any indication, he's gonna be one helluva useful player. From reports, before his injury Salmons was looking damn good in practice. Fredette/Honeycutt/Thomas all look like solid draft picks.

There have been a lot of moves made by the FO in less than a year that have made this team solid, and given them the ability to compete night in and out. There is a lot of talent on this squad, there is a lot of potential. Young talent. Inexpensive and talented. The recipe of a small market team rebuild. Not Khan style, Petrie style.

Yet, as I stated before, you don't have a damn clue what I've said. i told you to check my posts. You said you did.

You say I'm being ludicrous for not liking the acquisitions of Jimmer, Hickson, Thorton and Salmons. So how does this post of mine, which I copied and pasted from a few days ago,fit into your argument?

I don't like this. I mean, why? Why not offer either AK or Daly 3M more per year instead?

I'm looking at the off season acquisitions of Hayes and Outlaw, and am not very impressed. Not at all. Thorton was a given, and took zero effort. I really hope there's something else we don't know about.

I'd say getting Salmons, Hickson and Jimmer around the draft was a success, with Salmons being the only of the three I'm iffy about.

I'll tell you what it does, it blows your argument right out of the water, as I said it would, if you read my posts. If you had disagreed with my stance that's fine, but your response completely contradicts my previous statement, that everything which occurred around the draft was a success.

Yet, what is apparently completely over your head, which was one of my points, is that what happened around draft day, was under the old CBA, and therefor not part of the off season, nor was it a part of this free agency period.

I criticized our moves during this free agency period, under the NEW CBA, and your response was about acquisitions prior to the old CBA expiring, when I directly said those moves were A SUCCESS?

As I said before, you either didn't read my posts, and lied and said you did, or your reading comprehension sucks.

Cheers. Happy holidays.

 

[rainmaker]

This is quite funny. Just about everyone disagreed with this thread, and that we didn't make the necessary moves this summer, except for Glenn and PrinceXY, yet tonight, after only the third game, everyone is calling for a new coach, new players, lineup changes, not happy with Hayes or Salmons, and the list goes on. Still think our frontline is big enough, and defensive enough? You all did a week ago, lol.

Some of you pretty funny to sit back and watch.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

This is quite funny. Just about everyone disagreed with this thread, and that we didn't make the necessary moves this summer, except for Glenn and PrinceXY, yet tonight, after only the third game, everyone is calling for a new coach, new players, lineup changes, not happy with Hayes or Salmons, and the list goes on. Still think our frontline is big enough, and defensive enough? You all did a week ago, lol.

Some of you pretty funny to sit back and watch.

Just for the record, i haven't changed my stance and i'm actually kind of amused at all the Chicken Little reactions after three games.

 

[Section 101]

Just for the record, i haven't changed my stance and i'm actually kind of amused at all the Chicken Little reactions after three games.

Uh, I've been calling for Westfails head since year 1.

 

[rainmaker]

Just for the record, i haven't changed my stance and i'm actually kind of amused at all the Chicken Little reactions after three games.

You're right, you haven't. I've seen you telling others to not overreact. I agree. The problems imo, were apparent before opening night. I can only laugh at how others completely change their tunes from one game to another.