How did i twist what you said? You said if they dont get in the playoffs its largely due to him not progressing and we should let him walk. You said he had plenty of help now. My pointing out the things that are beyond rekes control but could also get in the way of us advancing is a direct response to what you said.
Our FO/Ownership Has Let The Fans Down
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How did i twist what you said? You said if they dont get in the playoffs its largely due to him not progressing and we should let him walk. You said he had plenty of help now. My pointing out the things that are beyond rekes control but could also get in the way of us advancing is a direct response to what you said.
RookieOfTheDay
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They aren’t a playoff team right now but with some growth I think they certainly can be. I'm not blaming Tyreke solely. But it doesn't make sense to blame everything else and give Tyreke a free pass either. If they aren't winning, he's part of the problem as their supposed best player. Your best player should make his teammates better and that's something I've yet to see Tyreke do.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I explained it in the first sentence.
I think everyone should just back away from the edgeDally wanted to be in Houston. Hickson, Jimmer, Salmons, Outlaw, Honeycutt, Isaiah and Whiteside (who did not play last year) are all and improvement in talent. Tyreke and Cousins are a year more experienced and appear to be in great shape considering the lock out. Thornton is ready to play BALL. JT, Donte and Cisco all look pretty good. Give the fellas a chance to play together before you all jump
The glass is half full!
Later,
KB
Honeycutt and whiteside may not even see the floor this year. And cisco, donte and jt have not looked good so far. If anything jt and cisco appear to have gotten worse. i'm admittidly a glass half empty guy and I do like a few of the moves we made it just doesn't feel anything close to the real work that needed to get done.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Who's giving Reke a free pass? I criticize his play all the time.
Its not your fault your wife left you, its just that you didn't meet her expectations as a husband
KingsCitizen
Starter
I think we should have let Petrie walk a long time ago. The guy just can't balance the team. We've seen it for so many years now. Petrie can only get the crumbs in the NBA. I don't care if Sacramento is not an attractive place to play in or whatever. A very good and actively working GM should be able to do something about that problem.
Dalembert with a two-year deal worth $13.7 million at Houston?
And the Kings with the highest cap space to start weren't able to beat that offer?
What kind of a GM we've got?
Dalembert with a two-year deal worth $13.7 million at Houston?
And the Kings with the highest cap space to start weren't able to beat that offer?
What kind of a GM we've got?
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RookieOfTheDay
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Your argument seemed to be that if the team sucks in 2014 and Tyreke leaves that it will be the Kings failure for not putting a good team around him.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Huh?
If the Free Agent system of the NBA is to blame (and it always partly is at the least), then how does Minnesota get JJ Barrea? If there's a NBA destination worse than the Kings, then its got to be Minnesota. Sure, they paid a lot for JJ, but the Kings are offering the highest amount to Dalembert and AK47(I assume).
Even looking at Portland, they aren't any better a destination city-wise than Sacramento. Maybe you say Crawford just had more ties to Portland? Still, the Blazers have gotten FA previously. Is it a matter of more faith in that franchise?
The management here isn't getting away with excuses(AGAIN).
Even looking at Portland, they aren't any better a destination city-wise than Sacramento. Maybe you say Crawford just had more ties to Portland? Still, the Blazers have gotten FA previously. Is it a matter of more faith in that franchise?
The management here isn't getting away with excuses(AGAIN).
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I don't think Dalelmbert ever wanted to sign here. I think he wanted a bigger role in the offense. He doesn't want to be just a defensive stopper. He thinks he's some great offensive player and wants to play for a team where he'll get the most minutes and the most shots.
I got the same impression as the season went on last year.
Crawford and Dalembert signed for (reportedly) less money elsewhere. What was the front office supposed to do? Massively overpay? That's supposed to be the role the new team takes on, not the original team. Like has been said several times already, it's pretty obvious Daly didn't want to be here.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Of course player development is part of it. Reke, Cousins, Thorton, and Jimmer. The FO is also a huge part of it. On a young team like we have, FO decisions/acquisitions are even more important when building towards the playoffs. If we signed some good FA's, and Reke ran this team into the ground, you'd have a point. But that is fantasy at this point. What we do know, is that our FO hasn't added the FA's to help a young team edge towards the playoffs.
You however, laid the majority of blame on the shoulders of a 22 or 23 year old player. You act as if it's a bad thing our best players are all 23 or younger. It's a good thing, if as they develop, they are surrounded with key complimentary pieces. That hasn't happened.
I'll ask again. Who's giving Reke a free pass? If anything, most here want to blame him for this teams failings, not absolve him of all blame.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Whine whine whine whine whine.
Seriously guys, take an effing chill pill. I know that sports fans in general are wont to act like the sky is falling every single time anything happens but this is honestly getting to the point of ridiculousness. Remember how irrantionally angry everyone was when we passed over Rubio? How about that time that we got rid of Bonzi (who subsequently went on to become Jabba the Hutt and faded into obscuirity)? How about we all wait until about we're halfway into the season before we start proclaiming our offseason a complete and total failure and call for people's heads. By god people, we're getting bent out of shape by sports- BY SPORTS. Everyone, just chill out, relax. It's not worth giving yourself a coronary over a tall Haitan who by all accounts didn't really seem like he wanted to come back to Sacramento in the first place.
Seriously guys, take an effing chill pill. I know that sports fans in general are wont to act like the sky is falling every single time anything happens but this is honestly getting to the point of ridiculousness. Remember how irrantionally angry everyone was when we passed over Rubio? How about that time that we got rid of Bonzi (who subsequently went on to become Jabba the Hutt and faded into obscuirity)? How about we all wait until about we're halfway into the season before we start proclaiming our offseason a complete and total failure and call for people's heads. By god people, we're getting bent out of shape by sports- BY SPORTS. Everyone, just chill out, relax. It's not worth giving yourself a coronary over a tall Haitan who by all accounts didn't really seem like he wanted to come back to Sacramento in the first place.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Over at ClutchFans.net they mentioned how Dalembert among several reasons glad to be in H-Town was thrilled to be only couple hours non-stop flight from George H. W. Bush Int'l Airport to his native Haiti plus getting over to his huge mansion in Miami area where about 50 family members live. Everything pointed against Kings re-landing Samuel but at least we tried.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
IMO, they're not ready to compete now. I don't think they're a playoff team, and I don't think they'd be a playoff team even with Kirilenko and Hayes (who I don't think much of anyway.)
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Whatever happened to spending money on product, is my question. Ten years ago we were willing to pay mad bank in order to have a team like Webber, Vlade, Bibby, Peja, Christie, Bobby J, and so on. But now it seems like we're so afraid to spend money on a player. Money right now is the only thing that will get players on the team, because at the moment we're not exactly WCF frontrunners.
And Rookie, I don't think he's giving Reke a free pass, at all. I think his argument is this:
We talk about rebuilding our team. Well, we're bringing in a player like Reke, but if we can't put in a supporting cast, or other players to make this a championship-caliber team, soon Reke will want to go to one of those teams that ARE championship contenders. Most likely when his contract expires.
Tl;Dr
If the Kings FO keeps waffling with getting strong players, the several talented and awesome players we do have will leave for better teams. And then we'll have zip.
And Rookie, I don't think he's giving Reke a free pass, at all. I think his argument is this:
We talk about rebuilding our team. Well, we're bringing in a player like Reke, but if we can't put in a supporting cast, or other players to make this a championship-caliber team, soon Reke will want to go to one of those teams that ARE championship contenders. Most likely when his contract expires.
Tl;Dr
If the Kings FO keeps waffling with getting strong players, the several talented and awesome players we do have will leave for better teams. And then we'll have zip.
TehSwimGuy
Bench
It's like as we traded off players for consistently worse ones from 2004 onwards, or "several player deals", the Kings got screwed, and now we're in a rut. No players to really trade with (since we want to keep our main guys), and not willing to shell out money for any good ones. So Petrie needs to get his head out of his *** and start paying for talent rather than always looking to pay a penny for the diamond in the rough.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Couldn't care less how ridiculous you think our complaints are. If you don't want to read Kings complaints, on a Kings forum, then go check out a gardening forum.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Huh? What the heck gave you that idea?
So whats the magic cut off date. For years fans have been frustrated by the front office moves or lack of and there is a segment that comes on and says calm down, why are you already criticizing things. At some point there has to be a cut off right, where the fo and fans have to see the right activity on the court. Tell me the timeframe.
I was trying to pick a non basketball example to demonstrate how ridiculous your "explanation" was
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I think everyone should just back away from the edge
The glass is half full!
Later,
KB
If you think it's so darn good, take the bag off.
In any case, I am enjoying watching Jimmer and Marcus, I like what seems to be an attempt to teach Tyreke a new way of playing, and I was real happy with JJ Hickson. We'll see what Salmons brings as I know he can score. I think most people are holding their breath that he will be a black hole.I won't go so far as to say JT, Cisco, and Donte look pretty good but I like your attitude.
I just feel let down as I thought this could be a year where the team lifted it's head and roared. I thought we would upgrade over Daly. I thought we would have a chance at AK but someone took the air out of the ball.
I'm saying if Dally/Crawford didn't want to be here and more money wasn't enough then it is a reflection of the status of the team and franchise, and that blame falls upon management and their mismanagement of PR, personnel and structure.
The Crawford signing itself is a sign of a mindless FA spending. He doesn't fit the roster at all. It's just a "fill cap space" move that they failed at. I doubt players are so dumb that they don't look at that and say whatthefunke are they thinking?
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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Some people really should read the rest of the posts or just read something in general before they make a comment. Some things being said here are not even factually correct.
Please stop saying "Dalembert only signed for 7 mil why couldn't we match it!!!" WE DID MATCH IT. We beat it. We gave him the best two offers on the table. He chose Houston .. what do you do at that point?
I fully understand this team has no shot at the playoffs without some interior defenders. David Lee dropped 30 on Hickson last night. That cannot happen. But Dalembert is gone, and apparently he was always gone. The whole Hayes situation really hurt. We are in a bad spot, but please stop saying things that are just false.
Please stop saying "Dalembert only signed for 7 mil why couldn't we match it!!!" WE DID MATCH IT. We beat it. We gave him the best two offers on the table. He chose Houston .. what do you do at that point?
I fully understand this team has no shot at the playoffs without some interior defenders. David Lee dropped 30 on Hickson last night. That cannot happen. But Dalembert is gone, and apparently he was always gone. The whole Hayes situation really hurt. We are in a bad spot, but please stop saying things that are just false.
Telemachus
Starter
This may be nitpicking, but all the Maloofs said was they would go after the top FAs I try to get them in Sac. From all appearances, they did that. It can't force anyone to sign here. There is not much you can do when FAs keep taking less money to play for other teams.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I'll answer by going through your note to give a magic date and to talk back a little to Tetsujin. The owners said they would spend a lot of money this year. They haven't done it. That angers a few of us. So the magic date was set by the Maloofs and that date was now. That's the point of this thread.
Now, I very well may enjoy the season and the team may actually be good. That doesn't take anything away from the fact that so far the team has not done what it promised.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Who is giving Reke a free pass? For the third time?
