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I find it ironic how once we finally found a HOF, long-term head coach, he's the one to send our franchise backwards.
I'm guessing Rudy Gay is as good as gone as well (which I don't really mind) once/if the Cousins deal goes down.
I find it ironic how once we finally found a HOF, long-term head coach, he's the one to send our franchise backwards.
LOL if they trade Cousins, i hope NO one shows up to the games. i sure as hell wont
screw them. there's NO WAY they can explain this **** to us. Lemme guess, we'll be getting "Flexible pieces"? Yay!!!
This.
Just to give a perspective of how little success I've experienced as a Kings fan, last time we made the Play-Offs, I was in 2nd grade. I am currently entering my senior year of high school.
You would think.Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but you would think whoever hired Karl would have made sure that he could co-exist with Cousins!
I'll start by clarifying my position: I do not want us trading Cousins.
That said, one could make an argument that blowing up a haphazardly built roster could help the team long term. After all, we haven't got an abundance of cap space for top tier free agents, so unless we land a decent player for a fair price, or flog our young players for veteran help (Nik, Ben, our sixth pick from this year) - then our improvement is going to be heavily dependant on Cousins and Gay carrying the team. That's not a bad thing, but one could make an argument that creating a more balance roster could be better long term.
Let's say we do a deal with the Lakers where we get: #2 and Randle, and keep #6 from the Cousins trade. They get Cousins. That could leave us with a line up like:
Either scenario could leave us with a good young core of players. And potentially we would have good to very good players at each position (ie same way the Hawks are built in a star-less system).
- Collison / McLemore / Gay / Randle / Okafor (#2) - then select one from Hezonja, Johnson, Mudiay, Winslow (#6)
- Russell (#2) / McLemore / Gay / Randle / WCS (#6)
This wouldn't help us win now, but long term we'd be set and with the cap likely to increase, we would have space to bring in veteran help for the bench or to upgrade a starting position if there's a major weakness (eg McLemore doesn't improve, or they want to upgrade the PG if Collison is still starting).
Is this scenario of going young, and likely featuring another season or two of losing a hard sell to this team's fan base?
Of course. But they could sell them on the potential of young talent like Russell or Okafor (#2), along with a top ten pick from last year in Randle, our own pick this year (#6), plus McLemore (#7), and Stauskas (#8). That's without considering we would still have Darren Collison and Rudy Gay who are popular among Kings' fans. Add in any further players from free agency or trades and the line up begins to shape up and have long term potential to get us back into the play offs [if everyone develops].
That said, getting rid of Cousins is not something I want to see happen. He's a star and we should be building around him, which is what we will hopefully do this season and for the long term.
I'll start by clarifying my position: I do not want us trading Cousins.
That said, one could make an argument that blowing up a haphazardly built roster could help the team long term. After all, we haven't got an abundance of cap space for top tier free agents, so unless we land a decent player for a fair price, or flog our young players for veteran help (Nik, Ben, our sixth pick from this year) - then our improvement is going to be heavily dependant on Cousins and Gay carrying the team. That's not a bad thing, but one could make an argument that creating a more balance roster could be better long term.
Let's say we do a deal with the Lakers where we get: #2 and Randle, and keep #6 from the Cousins trade. They get Cousins. That could leave us with a line up like:
Either scenario could leave us with a good young core of players. And potentially we would have good to very good players at each position (ie same way the Hawks are built in a star-less system).
- Collison / McLemore / Gay / Randle / Okafor (#2) - then select one from Hezonja, Johnson, Mudiay, Winslow (#6)
- Russell (#2) / McLemore / Gay / Randle / WCS (#6)
This wouldn't help us win now, but long term we'd be set and with the cap likely to increase, we would have space to bring in veteran help for the bench or to upgrade a starting position if there's a major weakness (eg McLemore doesn't improve, or they want to upgrade the PG if Collison is still starting).
Is this scenario of going young, and likely featuring another season or two of losing a hard sell to this team's fan base?
Of course. But they could sell them on the potential of young talent like Russell or Okafor (#2), along with a top ten pick from last year in Randle, our own pick this year (#6), plus McLemore (#7), and Stauskas (#8). That's without considering we would still have Darren Collison and Rudy Gay who are popular among Kings' fans. Add in any further players from free agency or trades and the line up begins to shape up and have long term potential to get us back into the play offs [if everyone develops].
That said, getting rid of Cousins is not something I want to see happen. He's a star and we should be building around him, which is what we will hopefully do this season and for the long term.
So basically we give up a HOF talent for Okafor and Randle (who played 14 minutes in hos rookie season and still has to prove he's better than JT), and all of a sudden we have a very good young core of players?
Good teams are built around great players. We have one. Why the hell should we trade him for someone who maybe, someday, if we are lucky, could become a poor man's version of who we got now? There is no trade available out there where we can get a good deal. So, if we trade DMC, we will be the losing part of the deal, I have no doubt about that.
That is some twisted logic my friend.
Twisted?
Like I said, i don't want us to trade Cousins, he's the guy we should build around. But it wouldn't surprise me if our front office did, or has at least considered it.
I want Cousins here as much as anyone. My scenario was playing devil's advocate and how our front office could try to sell us on a trade.
There is no way in hell Vlade's first ever trade with the Kings would be to trade Cousins to the Lakers. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Nuggets fans already told, they would need massive incentives.Today will be very interesting... this thing has to be dealt with by Karl himself. He has to come out publicly and say a Bill Clinton speech of some sort to ease the worry.
You know, just because you have a good coaching history doesn't give you free reign. People like that are dangerous because if they swing and miss, they take everyone down with them. Can we trade coaches btw? Is that possible?