Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)
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Sacramento- Boston trade
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.2 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
Why the Kings do this?- The Kings get a legitimate superstar floor leader in PP along with a defensive guard backup for Mike Bibby. There's a huge chance Peja sign with another team at season's end, while PP has only 2 years left on his contract.
Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Why Boston agrees? The Truth has been around for a long time and it hasn't gotten the Celts anywhere... they are in rebuilding mode.... why not have some proven vets mixed in with the young ones giving them a change of pace. Also they get one of the best shooter in the league in Peja, which is lacking on the team.
Lineups
Boston
PG Delonte West/ Jason Hart/ Dickau
SG Tony Allen/ Ricky Davis
SF Peja Stojakovic/ Corliss Williamson/ Justin Reed
PF Al Jefferson/ Ryan Gomes
C Raef LaFrentz/ Mark Blount\ Kendrick Perkins
Sacramento
PG Mike Bibby/ Marcus Banks/ Ronnie Price
SG Bonzi Wells/ Kevin Martin
SF Paul Pierce/ Fransico Garcia
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim/ Kenny Thomas
C Brad Miller/ Skinner/ Sampson
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.2 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and -1.9 apg.
Why the Kings do this?- The Kings get a legitimate superstar floor leader in PP along with a defensive guard backup for Mike Bibby. There's a huge chance Peja sign with another team at season's end, while PP has only 2 years left on his contract.
Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes
Why Boston agrees? The Truth has been around for a long time and it hasn't gotten the Celts anywhere... they are in rebuilding mode.... why not have some proven vets mixed in with the young ones giving them a change of pace. Also they get one of the best shooter in the league in Peja, which is lacking on the team.
Lineups
Boston
PG Delonte West/ Jason Hart/ Dickau
SG Tony Allen/ Ricky Davis
SF Peja Stojakovic/ Corliss Williamson/ Justin Reed
PF Al Jefferson/ Ryan Gomes
C Raef LaFrentz/ Mark Blount\ Kendrick Perkins
Sacramento
PG Mike Bibby/ Marcus Banks/ Ronnie Price
SG Bonzi Wells/ Kevin Martin
SF Paul Pierce/ Fransico Garcia
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim/ Kenny Thomas
C Brad Miller/ Skinner/ Sampson
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here's another paul pierce trade idea... trade Peja, Skinner and Corliss (or KT) for Paul Pierce and Mark Blount... the celtics have been trying to get out from under Blount's contract and he is stirring things up in Boston again... the kings would prbably have to package Peja, Corliss, and Skinner (instead of KT) because Boston wants only short term contracts in return... if the kings can make this trade happen, the kings would be a very tough team to beat... the kings would all of the sudden be a hard-nosed team with Wells and Pierce...
Kings:
PF SAR / Thomas
SF Pierce/ Garcia
C Miller/ Blount/ Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price
Kings:
PF SAR / Thomas
SF Pierce/ Garcia
C Miller/ Blount/ Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price
The thing about Pierce ideas now is that it would only INCREASE our massive shots crunch. I was all in favor of the idea a year ago or whatnot when we had shots to spare and were looking for a new #1. But now the only way to let him get enough shots to be Paul Pierce is by stealing even more from the other guys than Peja has been. That doesn't necesarily mean I don't do it, but it does mean that just throwing on another offensive weapon isn't going to have quite the effect we would like it too. Its all about fit/needs. If we bring in a major shot-taker we almost have to trade away two of our current good but not great scorers to free up looks for him.
What do you guys think of this trade?:
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson
FOR
Raef LaFrentz
Justin Reed
Why for us: We get a player with size (6'11) who can give us scoring off the bench, can play two positions (PF and C) and has great shot-blocking ability. We also get a good defensive SF/PF in Justin Reed.
Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson
FOR
Raef LaFrentz
Justin Reed
Why for us: We get a player with size (6'11) who can give us scoring off the bench, can play two positions (PF and C) and has great shot-blocking ability. We also get a good defensive SF/PF in Justin Reed.
Funny thing happened on my way to my annual Ainge-bashing this summer -- all of a sudden I loked up at his roster and realized that he might actully know what he's doing after all. Not that he's a good judge of talent -- indeed I think the failure of most of his kids is going to end up scuttling everything unless the myth of Al Jefferson actually decides to start living up to billing. But that one way or the other he has slowly, almost sneakily, built a team in rebuilding mode with a shallow layer of steady vets sitting atop a pile of young talent. If the kids were actually for real, it would almsot be time for a good GM to liquidate the vets and turn the keys over to the next generation. Unfortunately Ainge appears to draft like Dick Motta, and there is no next generation worthy of actually getting the minutes.
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Well look at it this way -- Corliss/Kenny are going to be owed about $40 mil over that same period.
P.S. BTW I think at this point anybody sugesting anything less than KG for Bosh is probably just going to be laughed at by Toronto. Then again, it is Pete Babcock, so guess there's always a chance gambling on his stupidity.
P.S. BTW I think at this point anybody sugesting anything less than KG for Bosh is probably just going to be laughed at by Toronto. Then again, it is Pete Babcock, so guess there's always a chance gambling on his stupidity.
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Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Incoming
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -0.1 apg.
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
we need a better bench.. hassell and griffin off the bench would make our bench alot better.... i like what i see in garcia and he should be a starter... given time hes gonna be a great player
what yall think?
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Incoming
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -0.1 apg.
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
we need a better bench.. hassell and griffin off the bench would make our bench alot better.... i like what i see in garcia and he should be a starter... given time hes gonna be a great player
what yall think?
Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.
Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.
Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.
OK here's another trade....
Kenny Thomas
FOR
Dan Gadzuric
Reece Gaines
Why for us: Gadzuric isn't getting any playing time with the arrival of Bogut and Magloire and he's exactly the type of player we need coming off the bench. He's 6'11, very fast and athletic for a big man, a tenacious rebounder and shot-blocker, and can play the 4 or the 5. Gaines is just a filler.
Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding.
Kenny Thomas
FOR
Dan Gadzuric
Reece Gaines
Why for us: Gadzuric isn't getting any playing time with the arrival of Bogut and Magloire and he's exactly the type of player we need coming off the bench. He's 6'11, very fast and athletic for a big man, a tenacious rebounder and shot-blocker, and can play the 4 or the 5. Gaines is just a filler.
Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding.
BK_KingsFan7 said:
Why for us: Gadzuric isn't getting any playing time with the arrival of Bogut and Magloire and he's exactly the type of player we need coming off the bench. He's 6'11, very fast and athletic for a big man, a tenacious rebounder and shot-blocker, and can play the 4 or the 5. Gaines is just a filler.
Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding.
Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding.
Gadz is a guy I advocated for this summer, and I think he'd fit the mold of our ideal 3rd big man. But don't know what Thomas could bring that they're looking for.
