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Sacramento-Toronto-Newyork Trade

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.3 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and -0.0 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.6 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and +0.2 apg.


Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento, New York, and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento, New York, and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2668779.

What do you guyz think?

 

[nbrans]

Toronto is not trading Bosh. Period.

 

[nbrans]

I've been thinking about possible Peja midseason trades. Now, bear in mind that these aren't "dream" trades, I'm trying to keep them as realistic as possible.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kings would try their best to avoid trading Peja to a Western Conference team. The only team that I could possibly see the Kings trading Peja to would be Denver, since they so badly need a shooter, and if the Kings were to pry Nene from them, who knows. Of course, Nene is coming off a knee injury and is a restricted free agent, so the Kings would basically be trading Peja for the ability to match an offer for Nene. Since the Kings are pretty well over the cap next year and want to avoid the luxury tax, I'd say this is an unlikely scenario.

So who could the Kings trade Peja to? I'd say the most likely destinations are Chicago, Miami and New York.

There's a really tricky formula for a possible Peja trade. Since Peja could sign anywhere after the offseason, what team would want to run the risk of Peja signing somewhere else in the offseason? The only exceptions to this (that I could think of) would be if the Kings traded Peja to:

1) a team that had a real sense that Peja would sign with them in the offseason (Chicago)
2) a team that wants to use Peja for a one-shot title run (Miami)
3) a team rich enough to afford the risk of Peja bolting in the offseason with the hopes that Peja would either sign with them or yield a sign and trade deal (New York)

Ok, so, Chicago. If the reports are true and Peja really does want to sign with Chicago, the Kings don't have a lot of leverage. The only reason Chicago would conceivably trade for Peja during the season rather than waiting for the offseason is so they could retain his Bird rights and sign him for more than any other team. This would give them some insurance rather than going into the offseason hoping that he signs with them for less money or being forced into a sign and trade, in which case they'd have to give up more in salary (and probably talent) in order to make it happen. But ultimately, if Peja really wants to go to Chicago and he doesn't care about the money, then there's not much the Kings can do.

Since Chicago is basically trading for insurance and could wait to try their luck in the offseason, I'm not sure that they would give up that much in a midseason trade. I think they'd try to stick to Nocioni or Deng and salary filler.

So Peja to Chicago scenario:

Chicago picks up Peja

Kings pick up Andres Nocioni, Erik Piatkowski (expiring contract), 1st round draft pick

I don't think Kingsland likes it, but if Peja really wants to go to Chicago the trade is probably going to be something ugly like this.

Next up, Miami. Miami needs a shooter. They don't have a consistent 3 with Posey and Antoine freakin' Walker splitting time, and if they plug Peja in at the 3 they just might have a starting five that will get Miami the title. If not, adios Peja in the offseason. Unfortunately for the Kings, Miami doesn't have a whole lot of appealing trade pieces. Also, Udonis Haslem is a base year player, so it would be very difficult for the Kings to get him.

Possible Miami trade:

Miami gets Peja

Kings get James Posey, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien

Last but not least, the Knicks. And when Isiah is making a trade, who knows what's going to happan. The Knicks have a ton of trade assets and might even be crazy enough to take on Kenny Thomas as well, so the possible trades are a lot greater. One reason I think New York might be a team that decides to go for Peja is because of their strategy of amassing as many big contracts as possible and not worrying about the luxury tax. If the players they sign for big money don't pan out they can just wait until those deals are expiring and trade them for talent, just like they did with Antonio Davis.

Possible trade:

New York gets Peja

Kings get Quentin Richardson, David Lee, Trevor Ariza.

If the Kings are looking like they're headed toward the playoffs in January it's unlikely they'll get rid of Peja. If they're still struggling, who knows, it might be time to guard against losing Peja for nothing.

 

[Kings241]

I've been thinking about possible Peja midseason trades. Now, bear in mind that these aren't "dream" trades, I'm trying to keep them as realistic as possible.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kings would try their best to avoid trading Peja to a Western Conference team. The only team that I could possibly see the Kings trading Peja to would be Denver, since they so badly need a shooter, and if the Kings were to pry Nene from them, who knows. Of course, Nene is coming off a knee injury and is a restricted free agent, so the Kings would basically be trading Peja for the ability to match an offer for Nene. Since the Kings are pretty well over the cap next year and want to avoid the luxury tax, I'd say this is an unlikely scenario.

So who could the Kings trade Peja to? I'd say the most likely destinations are Chicago, Miami and New York.

There's a really tricky formula for a possible Peja trade. Since Peja could sign anywhere after the offseason, what team would want to run the risk of Peja signing somewhere else in the offseason? The only exceptions to this (that I could think of) would be if the Kings traded Peja to:

1) a team that had a real sense that Peja would sign with them in the offseason (Chicago)
2) a team that wants to use Peja for a one-shot title run (Miami)
3) a team rich enough to afford the risk of Peja bolting in the offseason with the hopes that Peja would either sign with them or yield a sign and trade deal (New York)

Ok, so, Chicago. If the reports are true and Peja really does want to sign with Chicago, the Kings don't have a lot of leverage. The only reason Chicago would conceivably trade for Peja during the season rather than waiting for the offseason is so they could retain his Bird rights and sign him for more than any other team. This would give them some insurance rather than going into the offseason hoping that he signs with them for less money or being forced into a sign and trade, in which case they'd have to give up more in salary (and probably talent) in order to make it happen. But ultimately, if Peja really wants to go to Chicago and he doesn't care about the money, then there's not much the Kings can do.

Since Chicago is basically trading for insurance and could wait to try their luck in the offseason, I'm not sure that they would give up that much in a midseason trade. I think they'd try to stick to Nocioni or Deng and salary filler.

So Peja to Chicago scenario:

Chicago picks up Peja

Kings pick up Andres Nocioni, Erik Piatkowski (expiring contract), 1st round draft pick

I don't think Kingsland likes it, but if Peja really wants to go to Chicago the trade is probably going to be something ugly like this.

Next up, Miami. Miami needs a shooter. They don't have a consistent 3 with Posey and Antoine freakin' Walker splitting time, and if they plug Peja in at the 3 they just might have a starting five that will get Miami the title. If not, adios Peja in the offseason. Unfortunately for the Kings, Miami doesn't have a whole lot of appealing trade pieces. Also, Udonis Haslem is a base year player, so it would be very difficult for the Kings to get him.

Possible Miami trade:

Miami gets Peja

Kings get James Posey, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien

Last but not least, the Knicks. And when Isiah is making a trade, who knows what's going to happan. The Knicks have a ton of trade assets and might even be crazy enough to take on Kenny Thomas as well, so the possible trades are a lot greater. One reason I think New York might be a team that decides to go for Peja is because of their strategy of amassing as many big contracts as possible and not worrying about the luxury tax. If the players they sign for big money don't pan out they can just wait until those deals are expiring and trade them for talent, just like they did with Antonio Davis.

Possible trade:

New York gets Peja

Kings get Quentin Richardson, David Lee, Trevor Ariza.

If the Kings are looking like they're headed toward the playoffs in January it's unlikely they'll get rid of Peja. If they're still struggling, who knows, it might be time to guard against losing Peja for nothing.

Nice Post I totally agree, if we keep playing like this there is no need to keep Peja and a trade will be good for the team but if they do turn things around then they will Keep Peja and probably sign and trade during off season for someone with equal value.

 

[LA King Fan II]

The more I think about it, it really has to be Bibby and Miller (both) that go. IMO they are the only players we could get quality players for in return.

I realize it isn't going to be the "Kings" anymore, but unfortunately that is already the case. The team as it is simply puts its marbles on Bibby getting hot from the outside. Miller does some nice things offensively, but does not play like a center. At all. It has 41-41 written all over it.

 

[Bricklayer]

The more I think about it, it really has to be Bibby and Miller (both) that go. IMO they are the only players we could get quality players for in return.

Er...? Neither of those guys has much more value than a Peja or a SAR, and are pretty system specific to boot.

 

[BMiller52]

Er...? Neither of those guys has much more value than a Peja or a SAR, and are pretty system specific to boot.

So it's settled, trade Peja and SAR?

 

[LA King Fan II]

Good point. I could come up with these "fits" according to me.

Bibby would change Houston and the Lakers into a playoff teams.
Miller at Miami (instead of Doleac) and at New Jersey as another scorer.

I dunno. We've got a bunch of B+ players. It's hard to imagine getting the star-type we need under any scenario. IMO biggest woulda-coulda-shoulda of all for Kings was not getting Jermaine O'Neal once upon a time for Webber.

 

[LA King Fan II]

I want Stromile Swift, Lamar Odom and Earl Watson. How do we get em?

 

[Bricklayer]

I want Stromile Swift, Lamar Odom and Earl Watson. How do we get em?

Watson is easy.

Not sure if Swift has disappointed enough yet that you could get him for Thomas, but its possible I suppose. Otherwise he costs you Shareef, and we already made that call this summer.

Odom...despite the occasional Peja for Odom calls, Peja does not fit PJs system. Nor really does any King except Bonzi Wells. So if Phil had any say in something like that, would think that Bonzi would be the most likely.

 

[Entity]

what about Peja for that air drummer guy on the comcast commercials. He is more active in that 20 second spot than Peja will be all season.

 

[ForlornKing]

Top 3 Draft pick would be nice.

 

[SLAB]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
2.9 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.1 minutes

Incoming

Eric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 5.0 minutes

Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes


Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and +0.3 apg.


Why we do it...Grab a potential superstar in Bosh, and grab a useful backup/expiring contract in the process. Bosh now plays PF, so SAR gets moved to SF. Our lineup is now.

PG: Bibby/Hart/Price
SG: Bonzi/Cisco
SF: SAR/Williams
PF: Bosh/Thomas
C: Miller/Skinner

Why Toronto does it...Desprate times call for desprate measures...Grab a Serb to help boost your fanfare, as well as a possible go-to dead-eye shooter. Also, with their youngness, Kevin could petentially get more minutes, and develop into the player people seem to think he can become. This coming off-season they have a huge amount of cap room to nab a good low post center to compliment a possibly resigned Peja.

PG: Calderon/James
SG: Peterson/Martin
SF: Peja/Rose
PF: Villanueva/Bonner
C: Aroujo/???

It's wishful thinking, but hey? A guy can dream, right?

 

[Bricklayer]

It's wishful thinking, but hey? A guy can dream, right?

I have a very hard time seeing them move Bosh, and have said that in the past. On the other hand if the reports that Bosh may not reup and is thinking of leaving are correct, who knows? Would take more than the above, but I've mentioned in the actually on the market assuming we have the guts to pay the price.

Still think Toronto will hang in there with Bosh hoping that things get better and looking to make a side move or two to make him feel better about the situation. Plenty of time to move him in the offseason if it reaally looks like he is going to leave.

 

[SURVIVOR]

Got Ben?

Ben Gordon is in the Bulls' doghouse. He and Skiles are feuding over the fact he doesn't have a starting role. Apparently, the Bulls want Peja for some reason (at least that's what we hear). Would anyone be opposed to a swap (if the salary swap could be worked out some way)?

 

[Smart_guy3]

Of COURSE!

I would give up Peja + filler and pick if Ben Gordon was Involved no question.....

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Ben Gordon is in the Bulls' doghouse. He and Skiles are feuding over the fact he doesn't have a starting role. Apparently, the Bulls want Peja for some reason (at least that's what we hear). Would anyone be opposed to a swap (if the salary swap could be worked out some way)?

Hey, I brought this up in a few other posts earlier. I would give up Peja for either one of Ben Gordon or Loul Deng. Peja might not even be worth that much to Chicago the way things are going for Peja these days.

 

[VF21]

We have a trade thread going so I'm going to merge this into it.

 

[AriesMar27]

and where would we start mr. 6'0 gordon? he'd be the shortest player on a team of midgets..... i wouldnt want to start him at sg then wed be stuck with bonzi at the 3... if our rebounding was bad before.... wow....

 

[zeke04]

Gordon would be great off the bench. but if he's pissed about coming off the bulls bench I'm sure he'd be pissed about coming off of the kings.

 

[Bricklayer]

Gordon may well be overrated. He's too small. He only plays one way. remarkable clutch perfromer last year, but this guy's career could easily come to grief in the long run if his deficiencies outweigh his positives.

 

[nbrans]

Gordon may well be overrated. He's too small. He only plays one way. remarkable clutch perfromer last year, but this guy's career could easily come to grief in the long run if his deficiencies outweigh his positives.

I agree. He's a chucker, so he'll occasionally put up 25 points in 20 minutes and he can hit big shots, but then as the Sports Guy said, it's only a matter of time before he goes 3-33 in a game. He'd be a good instant-offense player for the Kings, but he's one-dimensional.

Of course, as I mentioned in an earlier post, when it comes to trading Peja to the Bulls the Kings aren't really in a position to be picky.

 

[Kings113]

Gordon would be great off the bench. but if he's pissed about coming off the bulls bench I'm sure he'd be pissed about coming off of the kings.

Don't think he's pissed:

Chicago Sun-Times - Bulls guard Ben Gordon was caught off guard Tuesday by an Internet report that said he's unhappy with his role and wants to become a starter.

''I don't know what that was,'' Gordon said before the Bulls played the Orlando Magic on Tuesday at the United Center. ''It didn't come from me. I don't know nothing about it.''

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...ordon_denies_hes_unhappy_with_role_off_bench/

and where would we start mr. 6'0 gordon? he'd be the shortest player on a team of midgets..... i wouldnt want to start him at sg then wed be stuck with bonzi at the 3... if our rebounding was bad before.... wow....

Ben Gordon is 6'3"/6'2".


BTW, Gordon isn't just a shooter. His quickness to the basket is great. I also adore his floater...

If Peja's traded to the Bulls, it won't be for Gordon, but Luol Deng or Nocioni. Ultimately I'd take Deng, and think that'd be the realistic swap from both sides.

 

[Padrino]

He'd be a good instant-offense player for the Kings, but he's one-dimensional.

he'd be a great 6th man. he's doing that very well in chicago, but he's overvaluing himself. of course, there's no reason for him to wanna come to sacramento just to come off the bench again. would be a great start, though, if the kings were serious about a youth movement.

 

[SLAB]

I just read Jamaal Magloire was available.

How about a Peja/filler for Magloire/filler deal, then we completly shuffle our lineup.

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin
SF: SAR/Cisco/Corliss
PF: Brad/Kenny/Corliss
C: Magloire/Skinner

But now, we don't have any sort of reliable outside game outside of our PG and PF...However, We'd be a much tougher team. Magloire is very tough, SAR would be tough when going against opposing SF's, we all know how tough Bonzi is. That leaves us with extremly weak defense at PF/PG.

PG: Ford/Mo Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Peja/Simmons
PF: Smith/???
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

And just imagine the Bucks outside shooting after that deal...With Redd and Peja out there? That would be very hard to defend. "TJ Ford penetrates, kicks out to a wide open Peja/Redd, THREE!"

Also, Bogut would get full minutes for maximum development.

 

[Bricklayer]

I just read Jamaal Magloire was available.

Again? That seems...odd.

 

[SLAB]

Again? That seems...odd.

Okay, so it said "May be available instead of Gadzuric"

It's a possibility.

 

[Kings113]

ESPN - It's wise to amend the widely held belief that the Bucks will be shopping Dan Gadzuric now that Magloire has arrived. It's looking more likely that Magloire would be made available first, but not until the offseason. Bogut is adapting faster than expected to the big leagues, but the Aussie rookie will need at least one full season of mentoring.

Magloire, meanwhile, has only one more season left on his contract after this one -- both at $8.3 million -- and will thus attract significant trade interest whether the Bucks are prepared to move him or not.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38186/20051204/magloire_could_be_dealt_instead_of_gadzuric/

 

[Padrino]

magloire?! as in size, rebounding, interior defense, and blocking?!?!?!?!?

get on it, geoff...

 

[BMiller52]

Magloire for Reef? Brad goes to the four! I like it!